# Kidchameleon--Rape is not sexy. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 11, 2005, 11:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kidchameleon-rape-is-not-sexy/325736 "2005-10-11T11:53:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2005, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kidchameleon-rape-is-not-sexy/325736/41 "2005-10-11T18:46:21Z")
> [@Otto](#): > > So kc slept through the fact vs fiction lesson, and you went to the arcade instead of learning to read. Gotcha. Hey, eat shit moron. I both learned to read _and_ went to the arcade. It’s not my fault if you can’t think through a problem clearly. > [@Otto](#): > > **tdn** was drawing a comparison between a fictional character making a joke about enjoying rape and a real person making a joke about enjoying watching a real sexual assault. It’s not a valid comparison, because, see, one is about people who don’t exist and one is about people who do. Sometimes things that are made up are funny when the same thing happening to a real person isn’t. I guarantee you that Mel Brooks is a real person who made jokes about rape, racism and flatulence, and that these things really do happen. Are you arguing that it is the degree of abstraction that makes humor acceptable? Did you think that **kidchameleon** was talking directly to the victim when he made his joke? > [@Otto](#): > > Actually, my knickers are fairly untwisted on the subject. I’m not sure exactly why you’re jumping on me for congratulating someone who pissed off a number of people for owning up to it without being a weasel, except that it may have something to do with your being kind of a dick. I kinda saw it as independent of my being a dick, but to each his own. My interest is a bit more principled: I want to defend the right to make bad jokes without hypersensitive pussies crying foul over it. To paraphrase some Frenchie who I’ve never heard of since I can’t read anyways, I may not like the joke, but I will defend to the dick his right to make bad jokes. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2005, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kidchameleon-rape-is-not-sexy/325736/42 "2005-10-11T18:48:08Z")
Thanks, **Taran**. A quick google backs you up. I’d like to add: > [@Lenny Bruce](#): > > All my humor is based upon destruction and despair. If the whole world were tranquil, without disease and violence, I’d be standing on the breadline right in back of J. Edgar Hoover. ---
**Author:** ![Scott\_Plaid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@Scott\_Plaid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scott_Plaid)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2005, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kidchameleon-rape-is-not-sexy/325736/43 "2005-10-11T18:52:40Z")
Who was it who said “You have a right to free speech. You don’t have a right to be offended at others using their right to free speech.” ---
**Author:** ![PetW](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/d2c977/32.png) [@PetW](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PetW)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2005, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kidchameleon-rape-is-not-sexy/325736/44 "2005-10-11T18:52:54Z")
I think rape is sexy as long as the girl doesn’t get scream or get bruised or bloody or anything. You’ve never seen one of those “pretend rape” pornos? They’re better when they’re really cheesy and obviously faked IMHO. ---
**Author:** ![PetW](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/d2c977/32.png) [@PetW](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PetW)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2005, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kidchameleon-rape-is-not-sexy/325736/45 "2005-10-11T18:57:00Z")
> [@Hentor the Barbarian](#): > > I may not like the joke, but I will defend to the \*\*dick \*\*his right to make bad jokes. Hmm, I always thought it was “defend to the **death** his right…” But then again, I can’t read either. ---
**Author:** ![tdn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/94ad74/32.png) [@tdn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tdn)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2005, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kidchameleon-rape-is-not-sexy/325736/46 "2005-10-11T19:04:00Z")
To paraphrase Homer Simpson, “It’s funny because I don’t know her!” ---
**Author:** ![Mollie\_Magill](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mollie_magill/32/20882_2.png) [@Mollie\_Magill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mollie_Magill)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2005, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kidchameleon-rape-is-not-sexy/325736/47 "2005-10-11T19:10:32Z")
> [@tdn](#): > > My advice to you is to realize that it was a joke, intended as a joke, and one that fell flat, and leave it at that. > > Either that or ask me why I think killing babies is so amusing. Okay, I’ll bite, **tdn**. Why do you think killing babies is so amusing? ---
**Author:** ![Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Otto)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2005, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kidchameleon-rape-is-not-sexy/325736/48 "2005-10-11T19:15:17Z")
> [@tdn](#): > > Actually, I wasn’t. Actually, that’s exactly what you were doing. Your thesis may have been “rape jokes are funny, blah blah blah” but your attempt to illustrate the point was just what I said, comparing fiction to fact. > [@tdn](#): > > My advice to you is to realize that it was a joke, intended as a joke, and one that fell flat, and leave it at that. I’m curious as to what exactly in my response to the OP has led you to mkae this comment. I’m pretty much done with the OP. I’ve moved on to the people slagging it. > [@Hentor the Barbarian](#): > > I guarantee you that Mel Brooks is a real person who made jokes about rape, racism and flatulence, and that these things really do happen. But the _fictional character from the fiction movie Blazing Saddles_ isn’t a real person and wasn’t talking about a real person. You don’t think there’s a qualitative difference between a _fictional character_ jokingly saying “I like rape” and a live person jokingly saying “I think I need to examine this DVD [of a real person being sexually abused for hours] before I can render a judgement,” with or without smily? > [@HtB](#): > > My interest is a bit more principled: I want to defend the right to make bad jokes without hypersensitive pussies crying foul over it. But do not the hypersensitive pussies have exactly the same right to cry foul as the rape-comics to make the joke? > [@HtB](#): > > To paraphrase some Frenchie who I’ve never heard of since I can’t read anyways, I may not like the joke, but I will defend to the dick his right to make bad jokes. Which means nothing if you’re not equally willing to defend the pussy who objects to them. ---
**Author:** ![Dead\_Badger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/848f3c/32.png) [@Dead\_Badger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dead_Badger)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2005, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kidchameleon-rape-is-not-sexy/325736/49 "2005-10-11T19:15:42Z")
> [@Maus Magill](#): > > Okay, I’ll bite, **tdn**. Why do you think killing babies is so amusing? There’s twenty of them. Oh, wait, wrong sick babies joke. ---
**Author:** ![tdn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/94ad74/32.png) [@tdn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tdn)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2005, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kidchameleon-rape-is-not-sexy/325736/50 "2005-10-11T19:16:14Z")
> [@Maus Magill](#): > > Okay, I’ll bite, **tdn**. Why do you think killing babies is so amusing? Answer: You would too if your name was Arrararraarr! ---
**Author:** ![tdn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/94ad74/32.png) [@tdn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tdn)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2005, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kidchameleon-rape-is-not-sexy/325736/51 "2005-10-11T19:19:31Z")
> [@Otto](#): > > Actually, that’s exactly what you were doing. Your thesis may have been “rape jokes are funny, blah blah blah” but your attempt to illustrate the point was just what I said, comparing fiction to fact. Fine. Then are dead baby jokes more tasteful than Helen Keller jokes? ---
**Author:** ![tdn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/94ad74/32.png) [@tdn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tdn)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2005, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kidchameleon-rape-is-not-sexy/325736/52 "2005-10-11T19:20:32Z")
> [@Dead Badger](#): > > There’s twenty of them. A punchline in search of a setup. Enlighten us? Perhaps with a spoiler box? ---
**Author:** ![Dead\_Badger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/848f3c/32.png) [@Dead\_Badger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dead_Badger)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2005, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kidchameleon-rape-is-not-sexy/325736/53 "2005-10-11T19:25:24Z")
> [@tdn](#): > > A punchline in search of a setup. > > Enlighten us? Perhaps with a spoiler box? What’s the best thing about sex with twentyone-year-olds? ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Ashtar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ea924/32.png) [@Lord\_Ashtar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Ashtar)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2005, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kidchameleon-rape-is-not-sexy/325736/54 "2005-10-11T19:26:06Z")
[George Carlin] Lots of people, lots of groups in this country, want to tell you how to talk. Tell you what you can and can’t talk about. Sometimes they’ll tell you, “Well, you can talk about it, but you can’t joke about it.” Comedians run into that shit all the time. Like rape. They’ll tell you, “You can’t joke about rape. Rape’s not funny.” I say, “Fuck you! I think it’s hilarious! How do ya like that?” I can prove to you that rape is funny: picture Porky Pig raping Elmer Fudd. See? Why do you think they call him Porky, eh? I know what you’re gonna say. “Elmer was asking for it. Elmer was coming on to Porky. Porky couldn’t help himself. He got a hard-on. He got horny, he lost control, he was out of his mind.” A lot of men talk like that. A lot of men think that way. They think it’s the woman’s fault. They like to blame the rape on the woman. They say, “Hey, she had it comin’. She was wearing a short skirt.” They think these women ought to go to prison for being cockteasers. Don’t seem fair to me. Don’t seem right. But you can joke about it. I believe you can joke about anything. It all depends on how you construct the joke. What the exageration is. Because every joke needs one exageration. Every joke needs one thing to be way out of proportion. I’ll give you an example. You ever see a news story like this in the paper? Some guy broke into a house, stole a lot of things, and while he was there he raped an 81 year old woman. And I’m thinking to myself, _ **WHY?** _ What the fuck kind of social life does this guy have? I want to say why did you do that? “Well, she was comin’ on to me. We were dancing and I got horny. Hey she was asking for it, she had on a tight bathrobe!” I say, well Jesus Christ be a little fucking selective next time, will ya? [/George Carlin] ---
**Author:** ![Scott\_Plaid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@Scott\_Plaid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scott_Plaid)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2005, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kidchameleon-rape-is-not-sexy/325736/55 "2005-10-11T19:28:26Z")
> [@Maus Magill](#): > > Okay, I’ll bite, **tdn**. Why do you think killing babies is so amusing? [The setup](http://tonjasteele.keenspace.com/d/20010306.html). ---
**Author:** ![tdn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/94ad74/32.png) [@tdn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tdn)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2005, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kidchameleon-rape-is-not-sexy/325736/56 "2005-10-11T19:32:12Z")
Ewww! **Dead Badger** , that’s just sick. That went waaaaaay over the line. You should be ashamed for telling it. Just as ashamed as I am for laughing as hard as I did. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2005, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kidchameleon-rape-is-not-sexy/325736/57 "2005-10-11T19:33:16Z")
> [@Otto](#): > > Which means nothing if you’re not equally willing to defend the pussy who objects to them. :dubious: Interesting! Let me try it on for size: I disagree with your effort to quash free speech, but I defend to the death your right to quash free speech. Okay, you’re not exactly calling for censorship, right. Fine. I’ll still offer a spirited defense against name-calling, character assassination and pitting of those who attempt to make jokes that go awry. I guess I’ll just have to be a hypocrite on this one. ---
**Author:** ![Mollie\_Magill](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mollie_magill/32/20882_2.png) [@Mollie\_Magill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mollie_Magill)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2005, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kidchameleon-rape-is-not-sexy/325736/58 "2005-10-11T19:38:25Z")
Ah dead baby jokes. They’re so wrong, but so funny. ---
**Author:** ![tdn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/94ad74/32.png) [@tdn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tdn)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2005, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kidchameleon-rape-is-not-sexy/325736/59 "2005-10-11T19:40:40Z")
> [@Maus Magill](#): > > Ah dead baby jokes. They’re so wrong, but so funny. Do they taste funny to you? ---
**Author:** ![VarlosZ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d78d45/32.png) [@VarlosZ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VarlosZ)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2005, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kidchameleon-rape-is-not-sexy/325736/60 "2005-10-11T19:41:40Z")
> [@tdn](#): > > In the interest of posting my own tasteless joke, the article said “‘She was crying,’ recalled Kim Dockery, 40, another assistant manager, who stood by watching. ‘A little young girl standing there naked wasn’t a pretty sight.’” > > Really? Geez, I thought that was the very definition of pretty. (OK, not the crying part. . . Aww, but the joke is so much funnier if you leave in the crying. Count me among those who think the OP needs to lighten up. Unless a particular joke is _aggressively_ offensive (like telling holocaust jokes at a bar mitzvah), I honestly don’t understand why people take humbrage. When you see a tasteless joke that you don’t care for, the proper responce is to say “meh” and move on. When you decide to scold, you’ve probably lost perspective. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kidchameleon-rape-is-not-sexy/325736.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kidchameleon-rape-is-not-sexy/325736.md?page=4)