# Kidchameleon--Rape is not sexy. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 11, 2005, 11:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kidchameleon-rape-is-not-sexy/325736 "2005-10-11T11:53:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![kidchameleon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/898d66/32.png) [@kidchameleon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kidchameleon)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2005, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kidchameleon-rape-is-not-sexy/325736/81 "2005-10-12T15:16:15Z")
> [@Rilchiam](#): > > Yes, it is a sick fucking joke. Because Nix, the guy in the linked story, probably had that attitude for real, at least subconsciously. What happened probably had less to do with obedience to authority, as discussed in the other thread, and a bit more to do with being given carte blanche to use and abuse an 18-y/o girl. He gets to see her naked, spank her and all the rest of it, and it’s okay because hey, it wasn’t his idea. So your “joke” and **kidc** ’s “joke” explain a lot about how this could happen. Not really, because it was a joke, not a “joke”, whatever that implies. Just because I say, “What do you call 100 dead lawyers? A good start.” doesn’t mean I want or condone the slaying of attorneys. It doesn’t explain why people may kill them. Its seperate from reality, that’s part of humor and storytelling. ---
**Author:** ![fessie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c37758/32.png) [@fessie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fessie)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2005, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kidchameleon-rape-is-not-sexy/325736/82 "2005-10-12T15:25:31Z")
Okay, so somebody calls people and tells them to do outrageous things and _they comply_, so he tells them to do even **more** outlandish acts, and they _still keep obeying_! Sounds like the setup for a lot of SNL skits. If it weren’t for the actual real-life victims’ actual real-life trauma, the whole thing would be hysterical. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2005, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kidchameleon-rape-is-not-sexy/325736/83 "2005-10-12T15:52:46Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > Imagine for a second that the victim was your daughter or your sister or your girlfriend. Imagine telling someone that your daughter was sexually assaulted on videotape and then imagine the other person making a leering joke about wanting to see the tape. Is it funny? The reason he can make a joke about it is that it’s NOT his daughter, sister or girlfriend. If the Darwin Award deaths were real, would they be funny to the friends and families of the people who died? I doubt it. Distance is necessary for humor sometimes. The joke we’re talking about here isn’t funny and it IS in bad taste. On the other hand, the crime is so bizarre - and the people who went along with it so astonishingly stupid - that I couldn’t blame anyone who made a _good_ joke about it. Having just read this story for the first time, I think there are tons of people who deserve a large-scale pitting far more than **kidchameleon** does. Assistant Manager Donna Jean Summers foremost among them. What a fucking idiot. ---
**Author:** ![tdn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/94ad74/32.png) [@tdn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tdn)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2005, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kidchameleon-rape-is-not-sexy/325736/84 "2005-10-12T16:26:48Z")
> [@fessie](#): > > If it weren’t for the actual real-life victims’ actual real-life trauma, the whole thing would be hysterical. Hell, even factoring in the actual real-life victims’ actual real-life trauma, it’s still pretty freakin’ hilarious. The fact that the manager’s name is Donna Summers makes it no less so. I’d also like to point out that it sounds like the premise of a porno movie. “Gee, Buffy, Officer Hardin is saying that you should suck Dirk’s big hard cock.” “Golly, do I have to?” (Goes eagerly to it.) ---
**Author:** ![Futile\_Gesture](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/f05b48/32.png) [@Futile\_Gesture](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Futile_Gesture)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2005, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kidchameleon-rape-is-not-sexy/325736/85 "2005-10-12T16:42:27Z")
> [@Silentgoldfish](#): > > So then just ignoring it is so hard why? Take some time to reflect on why you posted the above, rather than ignoring my comments. Still think it was a smart question? ---
**Author:** ![fushj00mang](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d26b3c/32.png) [@fushj00mang](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fushj00mang)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2005, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kidchameleon-rape-is-not-sexy/325736/86 "2005-10-12T17:11:52Z")
> [@Metacom](#): > > If someone laughed at the old “Why did the chicken cross the road?” joke, I have a feeling there’s a contingent on the SDMB who would pit that person for not being sensitive to the travel needs of chickens. Why did the baby cross the road? It was stapled to the chicken ---
**Author:** ![kidchameleon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/898d66/32.png) [@kidchameleon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kidchameleon)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2005, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kidchameleon-rape-is-not-sexy/325736/87 "2005-10-12T17:34:49Z")
> [@Futile Gesture](#): > > Take some time to reflect on why you posted the above, rather than ignoring my comments. > > Still think it was a smart question? Is this the start of a mobius? ---
**Author:** ![samclem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a9a28c/32.png) [@samclem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/samclem)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2005, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kidchameleon-rape-is-not-sexy/325736/88 "2005-10-13T00:59:05Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > The joke we’re talking about here isn’t funny and it IS in bad taste. On the other hand, the crime is so bizarre - and the people who went along with it so astonishingly stupid - that I couldn’t blame anyone who made a _good_ joke about it. So, you totally disagree with studies that show people go along with authority figures? It’s only the stupid ones who do this? ---
**Author:** ![furt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/439d5e/32.png) [@furt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/furt)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2005, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kidchameleon-rape-is-not-sexy/325736/89 "2005-10-13T02:49:46Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > If the Darwin Award deaths were real, Am I being wooshed? Aren’t [most of them](http://www.darwinawards.com/darwin/index_darwin2005.html), in fact, real? ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2005, 2:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kidchameleon-rape-is-not-sexy/325736/90 "2005-10-13T02:52:40Z")
> [@samclem](#): > > So, you totally disagree with studies that show people go along with authority figures? It’s only the stupid ones who do this? I don’t think that’s quite the point. If I show up at your front door in a full police uniform with badge and gun, and start ordering you around, you’re not necessarily stupid for doing what I say. If I show up at your front door wear a paper star with “sharif” written in crayon and start ordering you around, you’re pretty much a moron if you listen to me. The people in this particular case fall somewhere between those two extremes, but I’m thinking they lean bit more towards the paper star side of the continuum. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Hook](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ccd318/32.png) [@The\_Hook](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Hook)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2005, 2:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kidchameleon-rape-is-not-sexy/325736/91 "2005-10-13T02:57:28Z")
> [@samclem](#): > > So, you totally disagree with studies that show people go along with authority figures? It’s only the stupid ones who do this? And, as we all know, the epitome of authority comes from some guy who calls himself “Officer Scott” over the phone. ---
**Author:** ![Rilchiam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/2bfe46/32.png) [@Rilchiam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rilchiam)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2005, 3:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kidchameleon-rape-is-not-sexy/325736/92 "2005-10-13T03:48:35Z")
> [@kidchameleon](#): > > Not really, because it was a joke, not a “joke”, whatever that implies. Just because I say, “What do you call 100 dead lawyers? A good start.” doesn’t mean I want or condone the slaying of attorneys. There haven’t been any threads lately about murdered lawyers. Making the above joke in this thread is okay; posting it in a thread about a lawyer who’d been murdered wouldn’t go over too well. I do recall a poster getting slapped not too long ago for posting a joke in a thread about a real person who died. Again I say, the mindset that your joke was, I assume, parodying is very probably the mindset of the ex-fiancee in the linked story. And that’s why your joke wasn’t funny. As has been pointed out in the other thread, Nix wasn’t lodging much, if any, protest at having to force oral sex from the victim. Seeing you express eagerness (jokingly or not) to be a voyeur to this incident makes a person wonder what you’d have done in Nix’s shoes. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2005, 6:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kidchameleon-rape-is-not-sexy/325736/93 "2005-10-13T06:24:17Z")
> [@samclem](#): > > So, you totally disagree with studies that show people go along with authority figures? It’s only the stupid ones who do this? I’m not making a comment about the Milgram experiments or others that were, quite smartly, brought up in the article. The situation we’re discussing in this thread is _on its face_ just not credible, and I think that makes it different. I can understand people being pushed beyond their normal limits by an authority figure asking for things that seem reasonable at first. We’re talking about an unseen police impersonator, admittedly quite clever, asking people to do things that are more in line with shock jock antics. He took advantage of people failing to ask questions and got them to do things that are absolutely ridiculous. I’m going to stick with my comment that they are stupid for failing to question a guy over the phone who told them to strip a woman, spank her, have her dance around, kiss her, etc. I singled out Summers because she _insisted_ on Ogborn strip in the McD’s bathroom. > [@article](#): > > “I was bawling my eyes out and literally begging them to take me to the police station because I didn’t do anything wrong,” Ogborn said later in a deposition. […] > > Summers, 51, conceded later that she had never known Ogborn to do a thing dishonest. But she nonetheless led Ogborn to the restaurant’s small office, locked the door, and – following the caller’s instructions – ordered her to remove one item of clothing at a time, until she was naked. If Summers listens to the girl here, none of this shit happens. They go to the police and there’s an embarassing story, but not the hours of emotional torture that ensue. That’s why I’m especially pissed. Ogborn may not have guessed this was a hoax, but she at least had the sense to ask that she be taken to police and searched instead of being stripped by her manager in a fucking bathroom. But Summers said no. I’ve seen tree sap with more common sense than that. > [@furt](#): > > Am I being wooshed? Aren’t [most of them](http://www.darwinawards.com/darwin/index_darwin2005.html), in fact, real? I’m not wooshing you, but I had ‘Darwin Awards’ e-mails in mind. Perhaps the site itself keeps a better grip on things. I had Snopes pages [like this one](http://www.snopes.com/horrors/freakish/darwin05.asp) in mind; at this link, only one of the 10 proposed Darwin deaths is verified. ---
**Author:** ![Pedro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/919ad9/32.png) [@Pedro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pedro)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2005, 10:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kidchameleon-rape-is-not-sexy/325736/94 "2005-10-13T10:05:42Z")
> [@Rilchiam](#): > > Again I say, the mindset that your joke was, I assume, parodying is very probably the mindset of the ex-fiancee in the linked story. And that’s why your joke wasn’t funny. As has been pointed out in the other thread, Nix wasn’t lodging much, if any, protest at having to force oral sex from the victim. Seeing you express eagerness (jokingly or not) to be a voyeur to this incident makes a person wonder what you’d have done in Nix’s shoes. Only if said person is a moron. ---
**Author:** ![kidchameleon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/898d66/32.png) [@kidchameleon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kidchameleon)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2005, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kidchameleon-rape-is-not-sexy/325736/95 "2005-10-13T14:37:30Z")
> [@Rilchiam](#): > > Seeing you express eagerness (jokingly or not) to be a voyeur to this incident makes a person wonder what you’d have done in Nix’s shoes. Probably the same thing you or George Carlin would. ---
**Author:** ![Rilchiam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/2bfe46/32.png) [@Rilchiam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rilchiam)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2005, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kidchameleon-rape-is-not-sexy/325736/96 "2005-10-13T15:53:53Z")
> [@Pedro](#): > > Only if said person is a moron. Or if said person has heard a great many comments, some joking, some not, about ogling young girls and conning them into doing stuff they wouldn’t normally do, and is tired of it. ---
**Author:** ![kidchameleon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/898d66/32.png) [@kidchameleon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kidchameleon)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2005, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kidchameleon-rape-is-not-sexy/325736/97 "2005-10-13T16:08:39Z")
> [@Rilchiam](#): > > Or if said person has heard a great many comments, some joking, some not, about ogling young girls and conning them into doing stuff they wouldn’t normally do, and is tired of it. Perhaps you should address those situations instead. ---
**Author:** ![Rilchiam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/2bfe46/32.png) [@Rilchiam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rilchiam)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2005, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kidchameleon-rape-is-not-sexy/325736/98 "2005-10-13T17:19:13Z")
I have. Why do you think you should be excluded? ---
**Author:** ![aamco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@aamco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aamco)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2005, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kidchameleon-rape-is-not-sexy/325736/99 "2005-10-13T18:07:38Z")
The number of people who have sticks up their asses and who take the Internet way to seriously never ceases to astound me. It’s the Internet, people. Jokes about your sexuality, maternal parents, genitalia size, pedophilia, necrophilia, and personal tragedies will be made. :rolleyes: If you don’t like it, go find **kidchameleon** in Cecil’s basement and assrape him with a broom handle. ---
**Author:** ![kidchameleon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/898d66/32.png) [@kidchameleon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kidchameleon)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2005, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kidchameleon-rape-is-not-sexy/325736/100 "2005-10-13T18:15:16Z")
> [@Rilchiam](#): > > I have. Why do you think you should be excluded? Please let me know where I said, jokingly or not, anything along the lines of suggesting “conning them into doing stuff they wouldn’t normally do”. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kidchameleon-rape-is-not-sexy/325736.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kidchameleon-rape-is-not-sexy/325736.md?page=6)