# Kiddie drinks with booze-who the hell comes up with this stuff? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 21, 2007, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kiddie-drinks-with-booze-who-the-hell-comes-up-with-this-stuff/404956 "2007-05-21T18:44:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 14\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![OneCentStamp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/13edae/32.png) [@OneCentStamp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OneCentStamp)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2007, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kiddie-drinks-with-booze-who-the-hell-comes-up-with-this-stuff/404956/41 "2007-05-24T17:19:00Z")
[QUOTE=Bill Door] **Ukelele Ike** it has gotten nothing but worse. Just last Saturday night I met a professional bartender who honestly thought that an extra dry martini meant one with extra vermouth. I weep for the future. [/QUOTE] Well, it says “dry” right on the bottle of vermouth, so that’s where the dry in the dry martini comes from, right? 😉 To the OP, not only are those drinks sickening to me while they’re being drunk (I sometimes can’t even stand to smell them at my table), they give the _worst_ hangovers. Same for alcopops/malternatives. _insert puking smiley here_😛 ---
**Author:** ![DianaG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7ab992/32.png) [@DianaG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DianaG)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2007, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kiddie-drinks-with-booze-who-the-hell-comes-up-with-this-stuff/404956/42 "2007-05-24T17:31:35Z")
I’m a vodka and tonic girl, but I enjoy a \*single \* fruity drink or frozen mudslide once in a while. To me that’s dessert, it’s not something you spend all night drinking. And damn straight about the hangovers. If you want to keep your hangover to a minimum, keep your \*sugar \* to a minimum. ---
**Author:** ![vetbridge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b5e925/32.png) [@vetbridge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vetbridge)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2007, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kiddie-drinks-with-booze-who-the-hell-comes-up-with-this-stuff/404956/43 "2007-05-24T19:48:35Z")
Anyone ever had a **Moscow Mule**? Had my first the other day. It is Vodka, Lime juice, and Ginger Beer. Ideally served in a copper mug. Not sweet, but very gingery. Mmmmmmm. ---
**Author:** ![rockle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/73ab20/32.png) [@rockle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rockle)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2007, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kiddie-drinks-with-booze-who-the-hell-comes-up-with-this-stuff/404956/44 "2007-05-24T20:04:59Z")
[QUOTE=DianaG] And damn straight about the hangovers. If you want to keep your hangover to a minimum, keep your \*sugar \* to a minimum. [/QUOTE] I can honestly say I’ve _never_ had a hangover from any of the frooty-tooty drinks that I prefer; it’s when I drink the “regular” stuff that I have problems. Malibu Bay Breezes? No problem. Anything neon-colored? Piece of cake. White wine, or a vodka tonic? Sick for a _week_. No joke. I think it depends on what you’re used to, honestly. IME, anyway. ---
**Author:** ![lee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lee/32/7455_2.png) [@lee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lee)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2007, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kiddie-drinks-with-booze-who-the-hell-comes-up-with-this-stuff/404956/45 "2007-05-24T20:26:00Z")
I drink all sorts of cocktails and never get hangovers, but I don’t usually drink more than one a night. I have on occasion drank more (very rarely much more), but fruity or straight spirits, I don’t get hangovers. As far as what has more of a history, sweet or not so sweet, I have a book of thousands of drink recipes and both sweet and not sweet recipes show up and date far back. We do tend nowadays to shy away from drinks with raw eggs in them, which used to be quite popular. ---
**Author:** ![KneadToKnow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kneadtoknow/32/3999_2.png) [@KneadToKnow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KneadToKnow)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2007, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kiddie-drinks-with-booze-who-the-hell-comes-up-with-this-stuff/404956/46 "2007-05-24T23:21:55Z")
[QUOTE=Bill Door] At home I store my olives in a jar of vermouth. [/QUOTE] If memory serves, Alton Brown (of _Good Eats_ fame) makes his as follows: add ice and vermouth to shaker, shake to coat ice, pour out vermouth, add gin, stir, pour into glass, discard ice. ---
**Author:** ![zweisamkeit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zweisamkeit/32/4360_2.png) [@zweisamkeit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zweisamkeit)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2007, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kiddie-drinks-with-booze-who-the-hell-comes-up-with-this-stuff/404956/47 "2007-05-24T23:59:32Z")
[QUOTE=vetbridge] Anyone ever had a **Moscow Mule**? Had my first the other day. It is Vodka, Lime juice, and Ginger Beer. Ideally served in a copper mug. Not sweet, but very gingery. Mmmmmmm. [/QUOTE] Nope, but I’ve had a **Dark & Stormy** which is the same thing but use dark rum instead of vodka. It’s also extremely good. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2007, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kiddie-drinks-with-booze-who-the-hell-comes-up-with-this-stuff/404956/48 "2007-05-25T00:33:47Z")
[QUOTE=Hunter Hawk] [Already done](http://www.nytimes.com/2006/05/10/dining/10drin.html?ex=1304913600&en=b16c33e722b47eae&ei=5088) (well, sort of) thanks to the Ferran Adria fanbois. Do a search for “molecular mixology”. [/QUOTE] COOL! And I confess, I do like Pepsi Jazz Caramel Cream. Just not with booze. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Hunter\_Hawk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/50afbb/32.png) [@Hunter\_Hawk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hunter_Hawk)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2007, 5:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kiddie-drinks-with-booze-who-the-hell-comes-up-with-this-stuff/404956/49 "2007-05-25T05:09:04Z")
[QUOTE=OneCentStamp] Well, it says “dry” right on the bottle of vermouth, so that’s where the dry in the dry martini comes from, right? 😉 [/QUOTE] Just in case this wasn’t a deliberate whoosh attempt: Yes, that is where the dry in the dry martini comes from. A martini was made with sweet vermouth, and a dry martini was made with dry vermouth. ---
**Author:** ![OneCentStamp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/13edae/32.png) [@OneCentStamp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OneCentStamp)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2007, 12:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kiddie-drinks-with-booze-who-the-hell-comes-up-with-this-stuff/404956/50 "2007-05-25T12:55:51Z")
[QUOTE=Hunter Hawk] Just in case this wasn’t a deliberate whoosh attempt: Yes, that is where the dry in the dry martini comes from. A martini was made with sweet vermouth, and a dry martini was made with dry vermouth. [/QUOTE] Yeah, I was poking fun at what the underinformed bartender must have been thinking. Yes, a dry martini is made with dry vermouth, so _more_ vermouth would make it an _extra_ dry martini, right? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![lee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lee/32/7455_2.png) [@lee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lee)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2007, 12:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kiddie-drinks-with-booze-who-the-hell-comes-up-with-this-stuff/404956/51 "2007-05-26T12:00:12Z")
[QUOTE=KneadToKnow] If memory serves, Alton Brown (of _Good Eats_ fame) makes his as follows: add ice and vermouth to shaker, shake to coat ice, pour out vermouth, add gin, stir, pour into glass, discard ice. [/QUOTE] Am I the only one (except **KellyM** who enjoys a traditional 2-1 gin to vermouth dry martini? ---
**Author:** ![Hunter\_Hawk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/50afbb/32.png) [@Hunter\_Hawk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hunter_Hawk)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2007, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kiddie-drinks-with-booze-who-the-hell-comes-up-with-this-stuff/404956/52 "2007-05-26T17:48:27Z")
Personally, I prefer something inspired by the Martinez: Equal parts Old Raj gin and Amaro Ramazzotti, with a really massive twist of orange. ---
**Author:** ![OneCentStamp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/13edae/32.png) [@OneCentStamp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OneCentStamp)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2007, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kiddie-drinks-with-booze-who-the-hell-comes-up-with-this-stuff/404956/53 "2007-05-29T15:14:24Z")
[QUOTE=lee] Am I the only one (except **KellyM** who enjoys a traditional 2-1 gin to vermouth dry martini? [/QUOTE] Traditional when - in 1898? 😕 I’m not being snarky, just legitimately curious. When I think of a “traditional” dry martini, I think of 5:1 or 6:1. ---
**Author:** ![lee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lee/32/7455_2.png) [@lee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lee)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2007, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kiddie-drinks-with-booze-who-the-hell-comes-up-with-this-stuff/404956/54 "2007-05-30T19:51:24Z")
[QUOTE=OneCentStamp] Traditional when - in 1898? 😕 I’m not being snarky, just legitimately curious. When I think of a “traditional” dry martini, I think of 5:1 or 6:1. [/QUOTE] 2 to 1 is the ratio in my Mr. Boston’s which isn’t all that old. Another kiddie drink my daughter likes is a virgin salty dog. In a salt rimmed glass filled with ice cubes mix in about even ratio grapefruit juice and 7 up and add a pinch of salt. This is not too sweet if you use the right grapefruit juice. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kiddie-drinks-with-booze-who-the-hell-comes-up-with-this-stuff/404956.md?page=2)