# Kids have started watching Star Trek TOS and like it **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [June 10, 2012, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kids-have-started-watching-star-trek-tos-and-like-it/624732 "2012-06-10T15:28:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![terentii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terentii/32/212_2.png) [@terentii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/terentii)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2012, 6:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kids-have-started-watching-star-trek-tos-and-like-it/624732/41 "2012-06-19T06:08:09Z")
If the graphics people were going to dick around with the TOS episodes, why in heaven’s name didn’t they give the Gorn in “Arena” **reptilian eyes** f’rchrissakes?!? 😕 They created a whole CGI Gorn for “ST: Enterprise”; you’d think it would occur to them to at least change the eyes of the original! :mad: This could be another fun topic: What **else** do you wish they had changed (but didn’t) when they remastered the TOS episodes? ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2012, 6:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kids-have-started-watching-star-trek-tos-and-like-it/624732/42 "2012-06-19T06:24:42Z")
> [@terentii](#): > > “I am sorry. I … do not **wish** … to make trouble!” ☹ Always seemed to be followed by “I am sorry… I beg your pardon… for putting the bridge of my foot… thru your Adam’s Apple… most vigourously” Mostest, most awsomest, goodest\* show ever! \*Six-year old for “best” ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2012, 6:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kids-have-started-watching-star-trek-tos-and-like-it/624732/43 "2012-06-19T06:27:21Z")
> [@boozilu](#): > > We started them with The Apple (Vaal), Shore Leave, and Arena. Now they ask to watch every night. So they’re of the body now, huh? ---
**Author:** ![terentii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terentii/32/212_2.png) [@terentii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/terentii)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2012, 6:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kids-have-started-watching-star-trek-tos-and-like-it/624732/44 "2012-06-19T06:32:17Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > So they’re of the body now, huh? That was Landru. Now they’re People of Vaal. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Zebra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/c0e974/32.png) [@Zebra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zebra)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2012, 7:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kids-have-started-watching-star-trek-tos-and-like-it/624732/45 "2012-06-19T07:17:26Z")
I just watched Amock Time. I love how McCoy gets to save the day there but wouldn’t T’Pau be pissed off at the Federation later when she finds out that Kirk is not dead? Galileo Seven is another favorite. I have mixed feeling about the new FX. Yes they look good and I’m sure that’s what they imagined when they did it but, well, I don’t really watch Trek for the FX. I like the stories. I like the acting. That’s enough. How old are your kids? ---
**Author:** ![grude](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47774/32.png) [@grude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/grude)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2012, 7:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kids-have-started-watching-star-trek-tos-and-like-it/624732/46 "2012-06-19T07:50:36Z")
> [@terentii](#): > > If the graphics people were going to dick around with the TOS episodes, why in heaven’s name didn’t they give the Gorn in “Arena” **reptilian eyes** f’rchrissakes?!? 😕 > > They created a whole CGI Gorn for “ST: Enterprise”; you’d think it would occur to them to at least change the eyes of the original! :mad: > > This could be another fun topic: What **else** do you wish they had changed (but didn’t) when they remastered the TOS episodes? They did change the eyes of the Gorn in Arena, in the remastered version he blinks every few seconds and has eyelids. FWIW I am under thirty and I HATED the CGI Gorn in Enterprise, much prefer the guy in a rubber suit version. ---
**Author:** ![terentii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terentii/32/212_2.png) [@terentii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/terentii)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2012, 1:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kids-have-started-watching-star-trek-tos-and-like-it/624732/47 "2012-06-19T13:01:33Z")
> [@grude](#): > > They did change the eyes of the Gorn in Arena, in the remastered version he blinks every few seconds and has eyelids. Yeah, but they’re still insectoid compound eyes. I would again say to them: If you’re gonna **dick** with something, f’rchrissakes, do it **all the way**! :smack: ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2012, 1:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kids-have-started-watching-star-trek-tos-and-like-it/624732/48 "2012-06-19T13:07:11Z")
Brent Spiner made a Gorn virus, you see… ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2012, 1:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kids-have-started-watching-star-trek-tos-and-like-it/624732/49 "2012-06-19T13:16:19Z")
> [@terentii](#): > > Yeah, but they’re still insectoid compound eyes. I would again say to them: If you’re gonna **dick** with something, f’rchrissakes, do it **all the way**! :smack: Perhaps they aren’t Terran type reptiles. ^:)^ ---
**Author:** ![terentii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terentii/32/212_2.png) [@terentii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/terentii)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2012, 1:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kids-have-started-watching-star-trek-tos-and-like-it/624732/50 "2012-06-19T13:20:52Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > Perhaps they aren’t Terran type reptiles. ^:)^ Yeah, or maybe he was just the victim of an Augment-type virus experiment. :rolleyes: You can justify practically anything in SF, I suppose, but not in real science. ---
**Author:** ![terentii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terentii/32/212_2.png) [@terentii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/terentii)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2012, 1:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kids-have-started-watching-star-trek-tos-and-like-it/624732/51 "2012-06-19T13:29:48Z")
> [@NoClueBoy](#): > > Brent Spiner made a Gorn virus, you see… **Ee-yup!** Great minds think alike! 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2012, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kids-have-started-watching-star-trek-tos-and-like-it/624732/52 "2012-06-19T14:19:33Z")
> [@terentii](#): > > You can justify practically anything in SF, I suppose, but not in real science. Good Lord, they are traveling faster than light. 🙂 This forum requires that you wait 60 seconds between posts. Please try again in 2 seconds. ---
**Author:** ![terentii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terentii/32/212_2.png) [@terentii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/terentii)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2012, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kids-have-started-watching-star-trek-tos-and-like-it/624732/53 "2012-06-19T16:51:05Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > Good Lord, they are traveling faster than light. Has the existence of tachyons been definitively disproven? Eh? Eh? :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2012, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kids-have-started-watching-star-trek-tos-and-like-it/624732/54 "2012-06-19T17:00:17Z")
Why in the world _should_ an alien with scaly skin necessarily have eyes like those of a Terrestrial reptile? Why shouldn’t an alien have scaly skin but compound eyes? There but for a random fluke of evolution go we. ---
**Author:** ![Kenm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/bc79bd/32.png) [@Kenm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kenm)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2012, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kids-have-started-watching-star-trek-tos-and-like-it/624732/55 "2012-06-19T17:22:08Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Why in the world _should_ an alien with scaly skin necessarily have eyes like those of a Terrestrial reptile? Why shouldn’t an alien have scaly skin but compound eyes? There but for a random fluke of evolution go we. I read somewhere (so my post is my cite :)) that Gene Roddenberry insisted no alien’s eyes would be anything but human. Which doesn’t explain the gorn. ---
**Author:** ![terentii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terentii/32/212_2.png) [@terentii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/terentii)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2012, 6:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kids-have-started-watching-star-trek-tos-and-like-it/624732/56 "2012-06-20T06:41:46Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Why in the world _should_ an alien with scaly skin necessarily have eyes like those of a Terrestrial reptile? Why shouldn’t an alien have scaly skin but compound eyes? There but for a random fluke of evolution go we. Compound eyes on any type of being higher than an insect? I’ll believe \*that \*when I see it! (No pun intended.) In all seriousness, I think all you need to do to see how evolution works is to look around planet Earth. Out of all the millions (if not billions) of species that have evolved here, which have survived to become dominant? Natural selection simply **has to** follow certain laws. Different conditions might produce subtle variations, but some things will remain the same: symmetrical anatomy, erect bodies, bipedal locomotion (walking), stereoscopic vision, color vision, grasping hands… These are all survival mechanisms that give primates an edge over their competitors. Hell, before they were wiped out in the extinction event 65 million years ago, even the dinosaurs were evolving to fit that pattern. Instead of primates, we too might have ended up intelligent reptiles. But we wouldn’t have had compound eyes. What possible survival advantage could that give us? This is, BTW, the kind of reasoning that was used in the production of TOS (and the other series). Roddenberry made this clear in _The Making of Star Trek_ by Stephen E. Whitfield. It wasn’t just problems with casting, make-up, and wardrobe that forced them to have humanoid aliens. The _Enterprise_ was specifically ordered to confine its mission to planets that would support such life forms. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2012, 1:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kids-have-started-watching-star-trek-tos-and-like-it/624732/57 "2012-06-20T13:02:16Z")
> [@terentii](#): > > The _Enterprise_ was specifically ordered to confine its mission to planets that would support such life forms. Like the Horta and the flying pizza thingies? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2012, 1:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kids-have-started-watching-star-trek-tos-and-like-it/624732/58 "2012-06-20T13:24:16Z")
No post I! ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2012, 1:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kids-have-started-watching-star-trek-tos-and-like-it/624732/59 "2012-06-20T13:25:38Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > […snip…] **Horta and the flying pizza thingies** Band name! ---
**Author:** ![terentii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terentii/32/212_2.png) [@terentii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/terentii)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2012, 1:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kids-have-started-watching-star-trek-tos-and-like-it/624732/60 "2012-06-20T13:39:15Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > Like the Horta and the flying pizza thingies? > 🙂 The _Enterprise_ was diverted to Janus IV specifically in response to the miners’ call for assistance against the Horta. The miners were there (in an artificial oxygen atmosphere) only because the planet was so mineral-rich. The flying pizza thingies weren’t native to Deneva. They had been brought there eight months previously aboard another ship, and were from a place (outside our Galaxy?) where, according to Spock, “our physical laws do not apply.” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kids-have-started-watching-star-trek-tos-and-like-it/624732.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kids-have-started-watching-star-trek-tos-and-like-it/624732.md?page=4)