# Kids have started watching Star Trek TOS and like it **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [June 10, 2012, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kids-have-started-watching-star-trek-tos-and-like-it/624732 "2012-06-10T15:28:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![hogarth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hogarth/32/1773_2.png) [@hogarth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hogarth)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2012, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kids-have-started-watching-star-trek-tos-and-like-it/624732/61 "2012-06-20T14:31:15Z")
> [@terentii](#): > > The flying pizza thingies weren’t native to Deneva. They had been brought there eight months previously aboard another ship, and were from a place (outside our Galaxy?) where, according to Spock, “our physical laws do not apply.” Also, they were pancakes, not pizzas. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2012, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kids-have-started-watching-star-trek-tos-and-like-it/624732/62 "2012-06-20T14:32:38Z")
> [@hogarth](#): > > Also, they were pancakes, not pizzas. With the revamped special effects, you can no longer see the pieces of pepperoni. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2012, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kids-have-started-watching-star-trek-tos-and-like-it/624732/63 "2012-06-20T14:34:17Z")
> [@NoClueBoy](#): > > No post I! That is wise. ---
**Author:** ![ministryman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f6c823/32.png) [@ministryman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ministryman)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2012, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kids-have-started-watching-star-trek-tos-and-like-it/624732/64 "2012-06-20T14:58:31Z")
> [@boozilu](#): > > I’m so happy > > We started them with The Apple (Vaal), Shore Leave, and Arena. Now they ask to watch every night. > > So happy. I am shedding an Elasian tear for you. If only my son would follow in the path of Trekdom. ---
**Author:** ![terentii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terentii/32/212_2.png) [@terentii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/terentii)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2012, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kids-have-started-watching-star-trek-tos-and-like-it/624732/65 "2012-06-20T15:03:49Z")
> [@NoClueBoy](#): > > No post I! **[Best Shatner voice]:** What is that … a promise he won’t post us? Or a plea for us not to post him? :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2012, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kids-have-started-watching-star-trek-tos-and-like-it/624732/66 "2012-06-20T15:23:09Z")
They’re aigs, aren’t they? Yes, Captain, eggs. ---
**Author:** ![Sister\_Vigilante](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9de0a6/32.png) [@Sister\_Vigilante](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sister_Vigilante)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2012, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kids-have-started-watching-star-trek-tos-and-like-it/624732/67 "2012-06-20T15:24:25Z")
Surrender Dorothy? ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2012, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kids-have-started-watching-star-trek-tos-and-like-it/624732/68 "2012-06-20T15:30:39Z")
> [@BrotherCadfael](#): > > My wife and I first bonded playing Star Trek trivia during down time on a volunteer organization we both worked for. I have a fond memory of being the only one to stump a ST:TOS trivia panel at a con – a bit surprising, since I thought the question was relatively easy (“What character tried to bribe his way out of the _Enterprise_ brig?”) ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2012, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kids-have-started-watching-star-trek-tos-and-like-it/624732/69 "2012-06-20T15:39:55Z")
Trek Dopers could stump D.C. Fontana. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2012, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kids-have-started-watching-star-trek-tos-and-like-it/624732/70 "2012-06-20T15:40:55Z")
> [@Zebra](#): > > I just watched Amock Time. I love how McCoy gets to save the day there but wouldn’t T’Pau be pissed off at the Federation later when she finds out that Kirk is not dead? Depends on whether she saw it as an undermining of Vulcan ritual or an expeditious way out of an unfortunate situation. I suspect the latter – IMO, her explanation “She [T’Pring] has the right [to demand the challenge]” had the displeased undertone of someone statating (for example) that Nazis have the right of hold public marches or obviously guilty pedophiles have the right to a vigorous legal defense. ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2012, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kids-have-started-watching-star-trek-tos-and-like-it/624732/71 "2012-06-20T15:47:41Z")
An old Trek Doper Trivia game thread. ---
**Author:** ![terentii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terentii/32/212_2.png) [@terentii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/terentii)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2012, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kids-have-started-watching-star-trek-tos-and-like-it/624732/72 "2012-06-20T16:08:09Z")
> [@Steve\_MB](#): > > I have a fond memory of being the only one to stump a ST:TOS trivia panel at a con – a bit surprising, since I thought the question was relatively easy (“What character tried to bribe his way out of the _Enterprise_ brig?”) Harry Mudd? :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![terentii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terentii/32/212_2.png) [@terentii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/terentii)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2012, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kids-have-started-watching-star-trek-tos-and-like-it/624732/73 "2012-06-20T16:31:38Z")
> [@NoClueBoy](#): > > An old Trek Doper Trivia game thread. Tango was the name of Pike’s horse. The human form of Isis was played by Barbara Baldavin, who was Angela in “Balance of Terror” and “Shore Leave,” and Lt. Leeza in “Turnabout Intruder.” Kirk was played by at least one actor other than Shatner: Sandra Smith in “Turnabout Intruder.” Kirk was given the middle name “Tiberius” by Dorothy Fontana. I think Lt. Kyle was also on board the _Reliant_ in ST II. Ah … so many questions, so little time… 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2012, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kids-have-started-watching-star-trek-tos-and-like-it/624732/74 "2012-06-20T16:34:38Z")
> [@terentii](#): > > Harry Mudd? :dubious: The alternate universe Kirk. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2012, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kids-have-started-watching-star-trek-tos-and-like-it/624732/75 "2012-06-20T16:37:25Z")
> [@](#): > > Quoth **terentii** : > > Compound eyes on any type of being higher than an insect? I’ll believe that when I see it! (No pun intended.) > > In all seriousness, I think all you need to do to see how evolution works is to look around planet Earth. Out of all the millions (if not billions) of species that have evolved here, which have survived to become dominant? > > Natural selection simply has to follow certain laws. Different conditions might produce subtle variations, but some things will remain the same: symmetrical anatomy, erect bodies, bipedal locomotion (walking), stereoscopic vision, color vision, grasping hands… These are all survival mechanisms that give primates an edge over their competitors. > > Hell, before they were wiped out in the extinction event 65 million years ago, even the dinosaurs were evolving to fit that pattern. Instead of primates, we too might have ended up intelligent reptiles. But we wouldn’t have had compound eyes. What possible survival advantage could that give us? First of all, what makes you think there are any lifeforms higher than insects? Second, what makes you think that humans are one of them? Third, of the various dominant species on this planet, most of them don’t have several of the traits you consider essential. In fact, bacteria don’t have _any_ of them, except possibly symmetry. And fourth, the survival advantage of having compound eyes is being able to see. Which is the same survival advantage of having focusing eyes. Why should one be preferred over the other, beyond the fact that one happened to show up to be selected for in a particular line and the other didn’t? ---
**Author:** ![terentii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terentii/32/212_2.png) [@terentii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/terentii)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2012, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kids-have-started-watching-star-trek-tos-and-like-it/624732/76 "2012-06-20T16:41:20Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > The alternate universe Kirk. Aha! :smack: But Mudd tried it too, in “Mudd’s Women.” Kirk had pretty much given into his demands (relayed through the miners) when Eve chose to run out into the dust storm. Though I guess that qualifies more as a case of out-and-out blackmail, doesn’t it…? ☹ ---
**Author:** ![terentii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terentii/32/212_2.png) [@terentii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/terentii)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2012, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kids-have-started-watching-star-trek-tos-and-like-it/624732/77 "2012-06-20T16:44:40Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > First of all, what makes you think there are any lifeforms higher than insects? > > Second, what makes you think that humans are one of them? I, for one, welcome our new insect overlords! 🙂 All joking aside, your points are good ones. Our questions will be answered … eventually. ---
**Author:** ![ministryman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f6c823/32.png) [@ministryman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ministryman)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2012, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kids-have-started-watching-star-trek-tos-and-like-it/624732/78 "2012-06-20T16:59:37Z")
> [@Zebra](#): > > I just watched Amok Time. I love how McCoy gets to save the day there but wouldn’t T’Pau be pissed off at the Federation later when she finds out that Kirk is not dead? She didn’t, IMHO, have the right. She was a little schemer who really didn’t want James T. or Spock; She wanted Stonn (sp?), a weasely-looking Vulcan if I ever saw one. Everybody got what they wanted. James T. got his BFF back. Spock got to hit it and quit it, and T’pau got her boy toy. ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2012, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kids-have-started-watching-star-trek-tos-and-like-it/624732/79 "2012-06-20T17:00:06Z")
> [@terentii](#): > > Tango was the name of Pike’s horse. > > The human form of Isis was played by Barbara Baldavin, who was Angela in “Balance of Terror” and “Shore Leave,” and Lt. Leeza in “Turnabout Intruder.” Bingo on Tango. Memory Alpha has Human Isis as [Victoria Vetri](http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Victoria_Vetri). She’s a killer, ain’t she? I can’t remember what I was going for with the Kirk question, but I will say correct. ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2012, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kids-have-started-watching-star-trek-tos-and-like-it/624732/80 "2012-06-20T17:04:06Z")
The confusion on Isis may be a character name/stage name issue. Victoria Vetri also is credited as Angela Dorian on other shows. Barbara Baldavin plays the character Angela Martine in several TOS eps. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kids-have-started-watching-star-trek-tos-and-like-it/624732.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kids-have-started-watching-star-trek-tos-and-like-it/624732.md?page=5)