# Kids have started watching Star Trek TOS and like it **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [June 10, 2012, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kids-have-started-watching-star-trek-tos-and-like-it/624732 "2012-06-10T15:28:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![terentii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terentii/32/212_2.png) [@terentii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/terentii)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2012, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kids-have-started-watching-star-trek-tos-and-like-it/624732/81 "2012-06-20T18:17:09Z")
> [@NoClueBoy](#): > > Memory Alpha has Human Isis as [Victoria Vetri](http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Victoria_Vetri). She’s a killer, ain’t she? > > I can’t remember what I was going for with the Kirk question, but I will say correct. I remember Victoria/Angela from _Playboy_. I watched “Assignment Earth” and the other episodes I mentioned last winter, and thought that Barbara was credited as Isis. (I remember being surprised to learn that.) But if Memory Alpha says it was Vetri/Dorian, it must have been her. It seems to me someone in the other thread claimed Kirk’s middle name wasn’t canon. As I recall, Dorothy came up with “Tiberius” _after_ TOS was cancelled and _before_ the animated series debuted. I believe it was in response to a fan’s question at a Trek con (or at least that’s what I read, maybe in one of Gerrold’s books). So, it’s likely that Shatner himself never knew what the “T” stood for until about 1973. ---
**Author:** ![terentii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terentii/32/212_2.png) [@terentii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/terentii)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2012, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kids-have-started-watching-star-trek-tos-and-like-it/624732/82 "2012-06-20T18:40:03Z")
Scroll down about 3/4 of the way to find Victoria/Angela. Keep reading. Read to the very end. [http://www.assignmentearth.ca/cast.html](http://www.assignmentearth.ca/cast.html) **YIKES!!!** :eek: Apparently, the claim that she was Isis has never been confirmed, though it has been picked up by other websites. Admittedly, she does look like Isis (and Isis doesn’t look like Barbara). But if you look closely, Isis’s eyes are blue; Victoria/Angela’s are black or brown. Colored contacts? Maybe. But I think until there’s been independent confirmation, we have to list Isis’s real identity as “in doubt.” ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2012, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kids-have-started-watching-star-trek-tos-and-like-it/624732/83 "2012-06-20T19:04:10Z")
That’s why I said she’s a killer. Memory Alpha was the first site to list a credit for Human Isis, iirc. The other sites are probably picking it up from there. A long time ago, I asked Larry Nemecek (author of some Trek books) about who it was. He basically said it was likely a producer’s girlfriend or mistress and he doubted we’ll ever know for sure. This conv was in the late 80s/early 90s. ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2012, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kids-have-started-watching-star-trek-tos-and-like-it/624732/84 "2012-06-20T19:11:26Z")
> [@NoClueBoy](#): > > Memory Alpha was the first site to list a credit for Human Isis, iirc. The other sites are probably picking it up from there. If that other guy on the dot.ca page wants to take credit for putting her name to H.I., I guess we’ll let him. I first saw it on Memory Alpha some time back (but after the trivia thread) and was quite surprised. ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2012, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kids-have-started-watching-star-trek-tos-and-like-it/624732/85 "2012-06-20T19:13:00Z")
The official answer from a trivia thread I did on my own Trek site (R.I.P) was “unknown” ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2012, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kids-have-started-watching-star-trek-tos-and-like-it/624732/86 "2012-06-20T20:08:47Z")
> [@NoClueBoy](#): > > The official answer from a trivia thread I did on my own Trek site (R.I.P) was “unknown” Ah. You cheated. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2012, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kids-have-started-watching-star-trek-tos-and-like-it/624732/87 "2012-06-20T20:31:39Z")
I don’t believe in “No Win” scenarios. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2012, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kids-have-started-watching-star-trek-tos-and-like-it/624732/88 "2012-06-20T20:46:21Z")
Sigh. You skipped, “Changed the conditions of the test”. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Kenm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/bc79bd/32.png) [@Kenm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kenm)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2012, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kids-have-started-watching-star-trek-tos-and-like-it/624732/89 "2012-06-20T20:48:14Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > Sigh. > You skipped, “Changed the conditions of the test”. > :rolleyes: And crunch. ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2012, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kids-have-started-watching-star-trek-tos-and-like-it/624732/90 "2012-06-20T20:53:46Z")
The higher … the fewer. ---
**Author:** ![Kenm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/bc79bd/32.png) [@Kenm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kenm)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2012, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kids-have-started-watching-star-trek-tos-and-like-it/624732/91 "2012-06-20T20:56:01Z")
There was a young lady from Venus Whose head was. . . . ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2012, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kids-have-started-watching-star-trek-tos-and-like-it/624732/92 "2012-06-20T20:58:33Z")
That will be all, mr. Data! They took out my All Caps! ---
**Author:** ![Malacandra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Malacandra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malacandra)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2012, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kids-have-started-watching-star-trek-tos-and-like-it/624732/93 "2012-06-20T22:17:43Z")
> [@Kenm](#): > > There was a young lady from Venus > Whose head was. . . . whose body was shaped like a Data!! ---
**Author:** ![Kenm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/bc79bd/32.png) [@Kenm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kenm)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2012, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kids-have-started-watching-star-trek-tos-and-like-it/624732/94 "2012-06-20T22:27:19Z")
> [@Malacandra](#): > > whose body was shaped like a Oh, dear. Say goodnight Kenm. ---
**Author:** ![E.Thorp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/898d66/32.png) [@E.Thorp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E.Thorp)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2012, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kids-have-started-watching-star-trek-tos-and-like-it/624732/95 "2012-06-20T22:48:06Z")
> [@ministryman](#): > > She didn’t, IMHO, have the right. She was a little schemer who really didn’t want James T. or Spock; She wanted Stonn (sp?), a weasely-looking Vulcan if I ever saw one. Everybody got what they wanted. James T. got his BFF back. Spock got to hit it and quit it, and T’pau got her boy toy. No, T’Pau was the…queen? Head Lady In Charge, anyway. The manipulative little bride was T’Pring. ---
**Author:** ![mlees](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba8739/32.png) [@mlees](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mlees)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2012, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kids-have-started-watching-star-trek-tos-and-like-it/624732/96 "2012-06-21T14:37:31Z")
> [@ministryman](#): > > **T’pau** got her boy toy. (bolding mine) - Droit du seigneur\*? ---
**Author:** ![Sister\_Vigilante](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9de0a6/32.png) [@Sister\_Vigilante](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sister_Vigilante)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2012, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kids-have-started-watching-star-trek-tos-and-like-it/624732/97 "2012-06-21T15:25:40Z")
> [@E.Thorp](#): > > No, T’Pau was the…queen? Head Lady In Charge, anyway. The manipulative little bride was T’Pring. Exactly. But this brings up another question. Don’t they go pon farr every 7 years anyway? What did Spock do for the whole rest of his life? And I read that \*droit du seigneur \*actually didn’t exist. Everyone claimed it happened in some other country, but never their own. The French said the English did it, but never had themselves any record of it in their country. The English did the exact same. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2012, 9:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kids-have-started-watching-star-trek-tos-and-like-it/624732/98 "2012-06-22T09:11:07Z")
> [@Sister\_Vigilante](#): > > Exactly. > > But this brings up another question. Don’t they go pon farr every 7 years anyway? What did Spock do for the whole rest of his life? What, just because he no longer has a wife, you think he can’t get any? Part of Spock’s backstory is that human women at the academy were essentially throwing themselves at him, as he was so hard to get, and that creates a challenge. (And, in the new continuity, apparently Uhura succeeded.) In other words, Spock only went back to Vulcan because he was married and didn’t want to commit adultery. Voyager even adds a bit to the story, showing an unmarried Vulcan (not Tuvok) who, because he was going through pon farr, wound up mind melding with a human-klingon hybrid and putting her in a temporary pon farr. Enterprise kinda messes with this though, as T’Pal has a pon farr, too, so apparently it’s not always induced. Maybe they just induce to synchronize, but that means that Spock’s wife was not chosen because their pon farr coincided. ---
**Author:** ![Hogfather65](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/7bcc69/32.png) [@Hogfather65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hogfather65)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2012, 12:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kids-have-started-watching-star-trek-tos-and-like-it/624732/99 "2012-06-22T12:54:49Z")
> [@drewtwo99](#): > > I wish I had had you as parents! My dad brought me up with Voyager as a kid! My 3 girls grew up with Star Trek - all of them. It was that bad that when my 4 year old asked how Santa got into our house and left the snow footprints even if it was not snowing outside and we did not have a chimney. I told her he Teleported in from the North pole - no need to explain - she understood 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![terentii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terentii/32/212_2.png) [@terentii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/terentii)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2012, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kids-have-started-watching-star-trek-tos-and-like-it/624732/100 "2012-06-22T16:40:12Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > Maybe they just induce to synchronize, but that means that Spock’s wife was not chosen because their pon farr coincided. They had been “joined” as children: “Less than a wedding, more than a betrothal,” and “Parted from me, but never parted. Never and always touching and touched.” Apparently _some_ link had been established between them, or they both wouldn’t have been ready to boogie at the same time. What I always wondered about was Spock’s age. He was, what, between 35 and 40 when _ponn farr_ finally caught up to him? He had never been in rut before? Granted, not living among his own people could have thrown his biological clock off. But getting the urge more than 20 years after you hit puberty?!? Come **ON** …! :dubious: [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kids-have-started-watching-star-trek-tos-and-like-it/624732.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kids-have-started-watching-star-trek-tos-and-like-it/624732.md?page=6)