# Kids Kills a Bear, Grandpa in tears, stfu **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 12, 2007, 2:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kids-kills-a-bear-grandpa-in-tears-stfu/429695 "2007-12-12T02:31:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2007, 5:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kids-kills-a-bear-grandpa-in-tears-stfu/429695/21 "2007-12-12T05:31:03Z")
[QUOTE=Wee Bairn] Why [msn.com](http://msn.com) felt this was newsworthy enough to put on their homepage is beyond me. [/QUOTE] As mentioned in an earlier post, the kid’s being a descendant of Davy Crockett, and that one line from the eponymous TV series’ theme song, are probably what pushed it over the edge. ---
**Author:** ![wolf\_in\_second\_hand\_clothing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/9d8465/32.png) [@wolf\_in\_second\_hand\_clothing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolf_in_second_hand_clothing)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2007, 8:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kids-kills-a-bear-grandpa-in-tears-stfu/429695/22 "2007-12-12T08:19:29Z")
[QUOTE=Sophistry and Illusion] I’m a little surprised that a rifle powerful enough to kill a bear wouldn’t break a 5-year-old’s shoulder, or at least put him out of commission for a while. I mean, it’s not like you can whack a 400 pound bear with a .22. Does anybody know what the kid used? [/QUOTE] I wonder if the rifle was on some sort of pivot or turret-like device. They were up in some sort of raised structure, right? Do they have something that you can just clamp onto a rail and then point and shoot? ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2007, 12:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kids-kills-a-bear-grandpa-in-tears-stfu/429695/23 "2007-12-12T12:37:00Z")
[QUOTE=silenus] … I have no problem with “eating” hunters. … [/QUOTE] They are tasty but, no recipes? CMC +fnord! ---
**Author:** ![brownie55](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/f14d63/32.png) [@brownie55](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brownie55)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2007, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kids-kills-a-bear-grandpa-in-tears-stfu/429695/24 "2007-12-12T13:44:39Z")
[QUOTE=kaiwik] \ In Alaska in general and Kodiak in particular brownies are everywhere. **I would not want indiscriminate taking of brownies** , but for those of us who live a primarily subsistence lifestyle it would be nice to be able to take a nice brownie and share it. \ [/QUOTE] Bolding mine. I, too, am opposed to the indiscriminate taking of brownies. I like to be wined and dined a little before I am taken. I think most brownies feel this way. The sharing part I could really get into, though. ---
**Author:** ![Terrifel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c68b51/32.png) [@Terrifel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terrifel)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2007, 1:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kids-kills-a-bear-grandpa-in-tears-stfu/429695/25 "2007-12-12T13:59:26Z")
[QUOTE=appleciders] And American black bears aren’t endangered or threatened by any stretch of the imagination. Along much of the East Coast, they’re pests, just like deer. Reasonable hunting of black bears is and should be legal. [/QUOTE] Yet when I use the exact same argument for legalized hunting of neighborhood children, people just look at me funny. Logically, if a child can kill a bear, the child is the more dangerous predator. So why the hell would anybody want one running loose in the neighborhood? But just try calling any pest control services to get them off the lawn. In the past, children filled an important ecological niche by keeping the bear population in check. But this is no longer true in most areas. In fact many residential and suburban areas are overrun with children, who can cause extensive property damage and pose a danger to vehicle traffic. Legalized, regulated hunting of these dangerous pests would benefit communities and provide much-needed state revenue. Hunting would also act to cull the weak and sickly children from the herd, resulting in a healthier population in the long run. And we’ll all sleep a lot more soundly at night knowing that these aggressive pests aren’t prowling our communities after dark, killing our bears. ---
**Author:** ![TheLoadedDog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/35a633/32.png) [@TheLoadedDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TheLoadedDog)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2007, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kids-kills-a-bear-grandpa-in-tears-stfu/429695/26 "2007-12-12T14:23:31Z")
**Terrifel** , I’m going to Hell anyway, and now it appears you will be coming along too. I just would like to say that I hope we’re roomies. That was fucking brilliant. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2007, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kids-kills-a-bear-grandpa-in-tears-stfu/429695/27 "2007-12-12T14:30:21Z")
[QUOTE=Sophistry and Illusion] I’m a little surprised that a rifle powerful enough to kill a bear wouldn’t break a 5-year-old’s shoulder, or at least put him out of commission for a while. I mean, it’s not like you can whack a 400 pound bear with a .22. Does anybody know what the kid used? [/QUOTE] According to the article, it was a youth rifle. [Here](http://www.ocshooters.com/Gen/kidshooting/youth-firearms.htm) is a partial list of some models. ---
**Author:** ![Wile\_E](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c37758/32.png) [@Wile\_E](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wile_E)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2007, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kids-kills-a-bear-grandpa-in-tears-stfu/429695/28 "2007-12-12T14:58:42Z")
[QUOTE=Terrifel] Yet when I use the exact same argument for legalized hunting of neighborhood children, people just look at me funny. Logically, if a child can kill a bear, the child is the more dangerous predator. So why the hell would anybody want one running loose in the neighborhood? But just try calling any pest control services to get them off the lawn. In the past, children filled an important ecological niche by keeping the bear population in check. But this is no longer true in most areas. In fact many residential and suburban areas are overrun with children, who can cause extensive property damage and pose a danger to vehicle traffic. Legalized, regulated hunting of these dangerous pests would benefit communities and provide much-needed state revenue. Hunting would also act to cull the weak and sickly children from the herd, resulting in a healthier population in the long run. And we’ll all sleep a lot more soundly at night knowing that these aggressive pests aren’t prowling our communities after dark, killing our bears. [/QUOTE] _Puts Terrifel on the “Dopers I Crush On” list_ _joins Terrifel and Loaded Dog on the Hell bus_ ---
**Author:** ![Cluricaun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/bb73d2/32.png) [@Cluricaun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cluricaun)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2007, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kids-kills-a-bear-grandpa-in-tears-stfu/429695/29 "2007-12-12T15:01:11Z")
I was unsuccessfully attacked by a bear when I was about this kids age so I support hunting of bears via helicopter using heat seeking missiles, but I’m biased. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![TheLoadedDog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/35a633/32.png) [@TheLoadedDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TheLoadedDog)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2007, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kids-kills-a-bear-grandpa-in-tears-stfu/429695/30 "2007-12-12T15:12:28Z")
[QUOTE=Cluricaun] I was unsuccessfully attacked by a bear when I was about this kids age… [/QUOTE] Mr Norris, is that you? ---
**Author:** ![Jodi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/7feea3/32.png) [@Jodi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jodi)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2007, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kids-kills-a-bear-grandpa-in-tears-stfu/429695/31 "2007-12-12T15:25:57Z")
[QUOTE=Terrifel] Yet when I use the exact same argument for legalized hunting of neighborhood children, people just look at me funny. Logically, if a child can kill a bear, the child is the more dangerous predator. So why the hell would anybody want one running loose in the neighborhood? But just try calling any pest control services to get them off the lawn. In the past, children filled an important ecological niche by keeping the bear population in check. But this is no longer true in most areas. In fact many residential and suburban areas are overrun with children, who can cause extensive property damage and pose a danger to vehicle traffic. Legalized, regulated hunting of these dangerous pests would benefit communities and provide much-needed state revenue. Hunting would also act to cull the weak and sickly children from the herd, resulting in a healthier population in the long run. And we’ll all sleep a lot more soundly at night knowing that these aggressive pests aren’t prowling our communities after dark, killing our bears. [/QUOTE] Jonathan Swift suggested we not just kill them but eat them, maximizing their contribution to society. [A Modest Proposal](http://art-bin.com/art/omodest.html) ---
**Author:** ![hotflungwok](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/edb3f5/32.png) [@hotflungwok](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hotflungwok)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2007, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kids-kills-a-bear-grandpa-in-tears-stfu/429695/32 "2007-12-12T15:47:17Z")
Yeah, who gives a crap++ The kid’s been shooting since he was 2 1/2. He was in a perfect ambush position, and his grandfather distracted the bear. It was standing still, not very far away, and the kid was using a rifle. What, they didn’t gag and hogtie the bear and hand the kid a rocket launcher? ---
**Author:** ![Wile\_E](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c37758/32.png) [@Wile\_E](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wile_E)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2007, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kids-kills-a-bear-grandpa-in-tears-stfu/429695/33 "2007-12-12T15:59:05Z")
[QUOTE=Jodi] Jonathan Swift suggested we not just kill them but eat them, maximizing their contribution to society. [A Modest Proposal](http://art-bin.com/art/omodest.html) [/QUOTE] That wouldn’t work in this day and age, they’re too high in fat and cholesterol. ---
**Author:** ![Antinor01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecae2f/32.png) [@Antinor01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Antinor01)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2007, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kids-kills-a-bear-grandpa-in-tears-stfu/429695/34 "2007-12-12T16:09:34Z")
[QUOTE=silenus] If you are going to hunt bear, I think the law ought to restrict you to a knife. They aren’t hunted for food. They are hunted by small-dicked assholes who need the “thrill” of blasting an animal with a high-powered rifle from a safe distance. [/QUOTE] To be fair, he was only 5. I wouldn’t expect much in the dick department yet. ---
**Author:** ![thirdname](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/d07c76/32.png) [@thirdname](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thirdname)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2007, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kids-kills-a-bear-grandpa-in-tears-stfu/429695/35 "2007-12-12T16:26:42Z")
On the main SDMB page, this topic reads “Kid Kills a Bear, Grandpa in…” ---
**Author:** ![pravnik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8edcca/32.png) [@pravnik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pravnik)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2007, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kids-kills-a-bear-grandpa-in-tears-stfu/429695/36 "2007-12-12T16:29:23Z")
[QUOTE=Santo Rugger] Did you have the skill to kill a bear when you were 5? I didn’t. [/QUOTE] Yes, but we called them “bars,” as in “kilt a bar.” ---
**Author:** ![Terrifel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c68b51/32.png) [@Terrifel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terrifel)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2007, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kids-kills-a-bear-grandpa-in-tears-stfu/429695/37 "2007-12-12T16:31:25Z")
[QUOTE=Wile E] That wouldn’t work in this day and age, they’re too high in fat and cholesterol. [/QUOTE] This is exactly why it’s so important to cull out the slow ones! Eventually such selection results in a leaner, healthier population of children. This is science. ---
**Author:** ![rayh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e79b87/32.png) [@rayh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rayh)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2007, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kids-kills-a-bear-grandpa-in-tears-stfu/429695/38 "2007-12-12T19:23:05Z")
[QUOTE=Terrifel] This is exactly why it’s so important to cull out the slow ones! Eventually such selection results in a leaner, healthier population of children. This is science. [/QUOTE] Now they’ve banned fox hunting in this country, I think we have the perfect replacement here. ---
**Author:** ![Zebra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/c0e974/32.png) [@Zebra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zebra)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2007, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kids-kills-a-bear-grandpa-in-tears-stfu/429695/39 "2007-12-12T19:26:34Z")
Maybe Grampa is crying because with the writers strike, his grandson won’t be appearing as a hero on the Colbert Report. ---
**Author:** ![Dag\_Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/439d5e/32.png) [@Dag\_Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dag_Otto)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2007, 8:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kids-kills-a-bear-grandpa-in-tears-stfu/429695/40 "2007-12-13T08:21:47Z")
It’s Arkansas. All they do there is kill shit. It’s what they do. The father of a friend of mine moved to the ‘saw’ a few years ago, and when my friend went to visit he came back and said all the talk about in Arkansas is killing shit. I though this what hyperbole until I drove through the state a year later. My first encounter with the locals was paying for gas at the kwik-e-mart. Two good old boys behind the counter, talking about killing shit, stopping only to take my $20 bill. Next stop was at a local motel in Pocahontas. Lonely guy behind the counter sure looked like he killed shit and wanted to talk about it. What with us being from out of town, he kept quiet. Too bad, I could have talked about killing shit, at least long enough to be friendly. We stopped at a roadside cafe for breakfast the next morning, and the place was full of camo wearing men. I couldn’t help but overhearing the conversations about hunting (which was good, since I’m a hunter too) but I just couldn’t get over the fact they they do actually talk about nothing but killing shit. When I ordered eggs and bacon for breakfast, the waitress asked if I wanted ‘Biscuits and gravy’ with my meal, except that it really wasn’t a question, it was a declaration that I WAS going to have biscuits and gravy. OK, hey , no argument here. It sounds pretty fucking tasty. Sure, bring the biscuits! I’m not going to argue with a waitress who probably killed the biscuits with her own hands that morning. It still sounds pretty lame though. Why, when my grandfather was five my grandmother was pregnant with her _second_ child! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kids-kills-a-bear-grandpa-in-tears-stfu/429695.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kids-kills-a-bear-grandpa-in-tears-stfu/429695.md?page=3)