Kids with peanut allergies

Tracer, I am just trying to help you out here, cut off an inevitable misunderstanding.

To suggest something is psychosomatic does not mean nor imply that someone is either “making it up” or that it is not a “real” disease or problem. It can suggest different avenues of treatment.

I have no idea if Tracer’s hypothosis is correct, and I am not looking to comment on it. Its just that I have seen rounds of “I’m NOT faking it” “I didn’t say you were!” totally destroy otherwise interesting threads. I feel confidant that Tracer agrees with me on this, and I hope he dosen’t find my clarification presumptious.

I had a friend in college with a very strong allergy to peanuts. Her allergy was so bad that she almost died eating a one bite of an egg-roll with peanut butter used for texture on the inside.

She had problems being close to someone eating peanut M&Ms or peanut butter crackers. Call it psychosomatic if you want, but her eyes did get red and her face did get puffy. I saw it myself a number of times. She would experience the symptoms even if she couldn’t tell who was eating the peanuts. Her reaction to the air borne wasn’t the same as actually eating them. But, there was a reaction.

This seems to be worse than people who have life-threatening reactions to insect stings. Such people usually carry around an epi-pen for emergencies. Would a shot of epinephrine help somebody who was suffering from a severe peanut allergic reaction? From what I am reading here, it almost seems like there are some people who almost qualify for a peanut-proof plastic bubble if they are to move around in a world full of peanut dust & PBJ sandwiches.

What would help? Is there anything that peanut-allergic people can carry to help them peacefully co-exist with a world full of peanuts?

If you’re concerned about overkill regarding bans on peanut products, check out some of the proposals made in forums on this site. There are movements to ban peanuts on airplanes, create “peanut-free” zones at ballparks, etc.

While some people are very sensitive to ingested peanut products (even trace amounts can cause trouble in a relative few), I have been unable to find any reliable (i.e. based on scientific evidence, not anecdotal) evidence that airborne peanut dust/molecules pose a credible threat that would justify banning peanuts entirely from school lunchrooms. If anyone knows of such a study, please post a reference or link.

While I can’t blame parents of an allergic child for being cautious, I suspect that overprotective urges in some may be doing psychic damage that outweighs the benefits of their hypervigilance. One mom on the peanutallergy.com website proudly related how she had trained her small child to announce to waiters at restaurants that she had a severe life-threatening allergy and that even the tiniest amount of peanut contamination could kill her.

Eeesh.

Epi-pens or similar devices are standard issue for people at significant risk of anaphylactic shock - including the highly peanut-sensitive.

I know that sounds crazy. But, I can see how that can be necessary. Some people don’t understand how serious this allergy can be.

As I said earlier a friend of mine almost died from one bite of an egg-roll with peanut butter used for texture on the inside. She asked before ordering about peanuts/peanut oil in the food and was told there was none. Later the chief said there was only a tiny bit of peanut butter and he didn’t think it could hurt because you couldn’t taste it. He found out he was wrong when she had to be rushed out of his restaurant in an ambulance.

Ever since that experience she is afraid to eat out at all. I can’t say that I blame her.

Oh, dear god…

“Four children attending Fort Bend’s Drabek Elementary School are sensitive to peanuts. There are signs on the school’s front doors with the international symbol for banned and a peanut in the center.”

We now have an international symbol for peanut free zones.

The answer is simple, in my mind. If your kid has a serious allergy to anything found in a public school, perhaps you should consider a private, peanut-free school, or home schooling.

It cannot be much longer before we pad the entire world in soft, bruise-free foam.

I volunteer in my children’s elementary school cafeteria. While peanuts aren’t banned, we do have to take extra measures to keep the allergic kids safe.

Everyone in the cafeteria has assigned seating. The children with allergies sit at two specific tables, which are a different color. They don’t take up all the spaces, of course, so there are kids eating regular meals at those tables, too. The non-allergic kids who sit next to the allergic ones are taught to switch seats when they bring peanut butter for lunch. Each allergic child’s specific allergies and treatment plan in case of exposure is posted on the wall.

After each class is done, we wipe down the tables for the next group. The regular tables get cleaned with a rag. The “allergic” tables have a separate bucket of soapy water and we use paper towels-one time only, no double dipping. We carefully wash down the entire table, the underside of the lip, and the benches.

The reason for this is that children with more severe allergies can have a reaction just from getting the oil on their skin. So a child eating a peanut butter sandwich, who might understandably get fingerprints on the table or the seat, can easily leave behind oils that would affect the next child to sit down.

One of the other volunteer parents told us about how her sister ate some pistachios, neglected to wash her hands thoroughly, and then, hours later, touched her nephew on his face. He broke out in hives immediately.

In the classrooms, the parents are given several options. Some parents, especially of younger children with severe reactions (who might not be as competent at protecting themselves) ask for no homemade treats at parties. The nurse checks the labels on the packaged treats. Others simply provide their children with their own treats to substitute for those that might be brought in.

I have never heard of airborne particles causing reactions, and I suspect that those are probably (and understandably, for the individual who has had repeated, frightening episodes) psychosomatic. However, it is all too easy to leave behind unseen traces of oils, which might explain some of the reactions that happen when there has, so far as anyone can tell, been no physical exposure.

This is an issue for, it seems, increasing numbers of children. But it doesn’t have to cause hysteria. We can protect them with some fairly simple measures.

I’m sorry. I really thought this stuff about death by simple peanut related proximity was a joke. And yet, here we all are, taking seriously the notion that it is possible for a kid to keel over as the result of free floating peanut cooties.

I just don’t believe it. Don’t they have gigantic peanut farms down in the state of Georgia? Why has there been no outcry yet from the Peanut Sensitive Americans’ lobby, about the need for the state of Georgia to quit allowing farmers to endanger the welfare of children, with unregulated second-hand peanut vapors, for no other reason than to feed the avarice of Big Peanut?

If there really is such a thing as an allergy this serious, then surely there must be a support group website, or something. Can someone please direct me to the place where Children Who Can Die From Seeing Peanuts, and the parents who love them, can go for pointers on how to avoid the constant dangers under the shadow of which they must cetainly live?

If I’m wrong, and there really is such a thing as this, then I’m completely in the wrong here. And I really will take back everything I have said. And I will agree that these schools are in a completely unmanageable situation and doing no more or less than the best they can to deal with it.

But otherwise, I’m with Zuma: Break out the bubble wrap, because we have become a nation of full-bore, head-on, unrepentant wackadoos, nutzos, worryworts and invertebrates.

I go into anaphylactic shock if I eat nuts (not peanuts, which are legumes). Anyway, I am careful of everything I eat and always have been.

However, I don’t want people to believe that the psychosomatic effects of smelling an allergen can be controlled by the person. I get uncontrollable migraines from the smell of pistachio fluff because my body’s natural defense mechanisms take over. I can intellectually tell myself that I’m not digesting anything but my brain just doesn’t work like that.

As a person who suffers from the humiliation and annoyance of a severe allergy, I don’t think it’s fair for the allergic kids to miss out on learning because of a defect in their immune systems. Perhaps it will even someday qualify as a disability that has to be accomodated. I don’t think any opposers know what anaphylactic shock is like and would think differently if they, or someone they knew, suffered from it.

Anyway, I guess I feel a lot of sympathy for those kids. Trust me, if it wasn’t life threatening I don’t think drastic measures would have to be taken.

Peanuts are a common, severe allergy. Most food with traces of peanuts is labeled CONTAINS PEANUTS. And aren’t peanuts banned on airplanes now, too?

It won’t kill the other kids to not have a peanut based meal for lunch, but it might kill some other kids. I don’t think anyone wants that on their conscience.

I am allergic to peanuts. It sucks. I would be all for banning ALL peanut products EVERYWHERE in the world, but I know that’s not going to happen. It might not be a bad idea in schools though. When I was in elementary school I ate a chocolate chip cookie. The only problem was that they made the peanut butter cookies beforethe chocolate chip and they didn’t wash the cookie sheet. I puked on the playground so my teacher took me to the nurse. The nurse was a FUCKING IDIOT and thought I just had a stomach bug. She left me by myself in a little room. When my mom got there she said I was blue!! I had to go to the hospital.
Another story: When I was in 6th grade a friend of mine gave me a Boston Baked Bean, but I thought it was just a normal little red jawbreaker. I went to the hospital in an ambulance.
My freshman year of college I got an Oreo blizzard from DQ and I guess they slopped a piece of Reese’s in there or something and I had to go to the hospital again. This one was really scary because the reaction took a little while to set in. I was having trouble sleeping and was feeling weird, but I was confused and did not realize what was going on. I was home for the summer and luckily my mom woke up and I was in the bathroom splashing water on my face. She said I had hives the size of 50-cent pieces on my back!!
And most recently I had to go to the hospital because I ate split pea soup.
To sum it up, it sucks. It’s easy to say to just avoid peanuts, but its not that easy to do. A girl died a few years back because the secret ingredient in the chili she ordered was a spoonful of PB. So now I basically don’t eat anything with sauce on it without asking. THAT SUCKS. NO chicken wings, no chili, even pasta sauce is sketchy. I don’t eat Chinese food. I don’t really eat ANY deserts unless I make them myself. I can’t eat M&M’s (even the plain ones have peanuts in them),or most other candy bars. Even the bars without nuts in the ingredients have a warning on them that they were “manufactured in a peanut environment”. There are other things that I do not eat that I cant think of right now, and I am not even allergic to peanut oil!! I can’t imagine that.
I have roommates that buy PB. I am not going to tell them not to, but I would rather not have it in the house. They are pretty good about though. They wash off the spoons and everything they use right after they are done so there isn’t peanut butter just lying around all over.
The more I write the more I think peanuts SHOULD be banned from schools…and anywhere in public. It is the most common food allergy, and one of the most severe. I am very careful about what I eat, but things still slip through.
I always say this as a joke to my friends, but it is partially true: I live my life in fear.

For Mr. Billy:

http://www.peanutallergy.com/
http://www.oma.org/phealth/peanuts.htm
http://www.allerg.qc.ca/peanutallergy.htm

Those are the top three on a Google search.
Read it and weep.

Peanut allergies are serious. In pre-school and elementary school, ALL the parents and school employees should diligently ensure that a child suffering from peanut allergies is not inadvertently exposed to peanuts. Just as they should ensure that a child dripping with snot isn’t seated next to a child suffering from an auto-immune disorder.

If a school doesn’t have the manpower and willingness to constantly monitor the child’s food intake, then they should ban peanuts altogether – only if they have a student who is severely allergic, of course – at least at the elementary school and middle school level. As a parent, I’d be slightly inconvenienced by this. However, I am comfortable with the fact that a child’s life takes precedence over my convenience.

Are you against handicapped access to buildings? Why don’t they just learn to walk? Or have some one carry them.

You learn something new EVERY DAY.

Yesterday, it was that there was – just recently – a human who went around in public answering to the handle “Hank the Angry Drunken Dwarf”.

And today, this…

The proper term is “AEROSOLIZED PEANUT RESIDUE”.

Consider my ignorance fought.

If you have a kid running around with an immune system that hepped up, I suppose you just have to take steps. And keep 'em out of Georgia.

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Apples & Oranges. It does not affect my freedom by making a building accessable to handicapped folk.

I am against laws that make private companys make their buliding handicapped accessable.

What’s the straight dope on the idea that peanut allergies come from kids being fed peanuts too early in life, with the allergy resulting? It would seem then that this would be preventable in at least some cases and not be on the rise or such a big problem.

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You know, I am 100% against vouchers, but as a peanut allergic person myself, if I were forced to “consider a private, peanut-free school, or home schooling” after paying the various taxes that support public education I’d have to change my tune real quick. OTOH I wonder how many of the “Peanut Butter- Love It or Leave It” crowd here voted for Jimmy Carter in 1980.
FWIW, I too have gotten ill in a closed car when people were eating Snickers bars- and sure, maybe it’s psychosomatic, but if I threw up on you, you could also say that you don’t need to clean your shirt- it was just psychosomatic vomit.

I was going to send this, but I read a bit further down the chain, and came across Billy"s post, and it said

and I really have to ask: what’s so fucking important about peanut butter that you have this “pry my cold, dead hands from around it” feeling about it, and more, why it is so difficult for you to accept that some minor aspect of your day to day life could cause someone else life threatening illness?

And then there was this:

and I just have to ask “is the (very real, by the way) psychological irritation of having to announce your allergy to a group of Social Darwinist idiots worse than dying?”

Let’s end with this: after my SO eats a PBJ sandwich or a Snickers, I can’t kiss her for maybe an hour. Peanut allergy is no fun. JDM

Nope. Just flew Delta last month and their snack pack included a chex mix kind of thing. Included honey roasted nuts.

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My concern about the little kid in the restaurant has to do with exposing a 6-year-old to the full bore drill about Impending Death, as exemplified by this canned speech she was trained to make to the waiter.

At this age, I think she can handle something on the order of “Peanuts can make you sick, we need to be careful”, not “You’ll die! You’ll die! Tell the waiter!!!”
Rather than setting her up to think that death is imminent, I’d feed her at home - or take the waiter/manager aside out of her hearing and explain that there’s a serious problem.