# Kill Bill 2 plot point questions -- spoilers **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [August 20, 2004, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kill-bill-2-plot-point-questions-spoilers/260767 "2004-08-20T19:34:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Lissa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/85f322/32.png) [@Lissa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lissa)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2004, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kill-bill-2-plot-point-questions-spoilers/260767/21 "2004-08-22T22:40:53Z")
> [@DaddyTimesTwo](#): > > In summary, Vol 1, ridiculous gory fun. Vol 2, boring plodding QT wankfest. Amen. We watched them both back to back last night. Volume One was fun, but we fast-forwarded through a lot of Volume 2. Hey, I’m all for dialogue in QT’s movies. Usually, it’s clever and funny-- hell, _Pulp Fiction_ was only enjoyable _because_ of the dialogue-- but this was just awful. God, it was like listening to the last chapter of a _Harlequin Romance_ being read aloud. This was not a film meant for character development. It was supposed to be a fun, trashy kung-fu movie, not a lenghty, tedious discussion of the ins-and-outs of the main characters’ relationship. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2004, 2:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kill-bill-2-plot-point-questions-spoilers/260767/22 "2004-08-23T02:52:55Z")
> [@](#): > > Take out the pellets out of the tube and replace them with whatever you like (bath oil beads would be kinda neat). Calgon…blow me away ---
**Author:** ![Trunk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/87869e/32.png) [@Trunk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trunk)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2004, 12:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kill-bill-2-plot-point-questions-spoilers/260767/23 "2004-08-23T12:18:35Z")
I guess what got me about KBV2 is that even thought there was a lot of talk, they didn’t really explain too much. E.g. Budd says, “she deserves her revenge, and we deserve to die.” But, then he sets about killing her in the most evil way he can think of, instead of giving her a proper death. The three women seem to HATE Kiddo with a passion, but WHY? Bill doesn’t hate her that way. They’re all in a murderous rage over her because she dumped Bill? Fine, but you’d think they would have worked out some of the agression at the wedding rehearsal. * * * I find KBV2 inferior. The thing is, it’s much more “talky” but the talky parts aren’t even as good as they are in the first one (I’m thinking of “Buck’s speech”, the El Paso cop’s dialogue, O-ren’s initiation, the Hanzo scene, all classic Tarantino). The only dialogue that’s nearly as good in the second one was when the night club owner was ripping on Budd. And maybe the short guy who helped Budd dig the grave. The Spanish guy was stupid. Elle and Budd’s dialogue was nothing. Bill’s rambling at the end was all pointless. It just wasn’t funny or clever. Watching the first one, you could only guess at Bill’s character and motivation, and I think the pay-off just didn’t live up to the expectations I had built up. That’s not exactly a criticism of the movie _per se_ but just a reason I didn’t find it as satisfying. ---
**Author:** ![smiling\_bandit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e9a140/32.png) [@smiling\_bandit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smiling_bandit)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2004, 12:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kill-bill-2-plot-point-questions-spoilers/260767/24 "2004-08-23T12:49:58Z")
> [@](#): > > The three women seem to HATE Kiddo with a passion, but WHY? Bill doesn’t hate her that way. They’re all in a murderous rage over her because she dumped Bill? Fine, but you’d think they would have worked out some of the agression at the wedding rehearsal. And you’d think the years she spent in a coma would have helped them cool off. > [@](#): > > I find KBV2 inferior. The thing is, it’s much more “talky” but the talky parts aren’t even as good as they are in the first one (I’m thinking of “Buck’s speech”, the El Paso cop’s dialogue, O-ren’s initiation, the Hanzo scene, all classic Tarantino). Completely agree… I’m getting v1 but not v2. ---
**Author:** ![Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Otto)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2004, 12:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kill-bill-2-plot-point-questions-spoilers/260767/25 "2004-08-23T12:52:10Z")
> [@Trunk](#): > > E.g. Budd says, “she deserves her revenge, and we deserve to die.” But, then he sets about killing her in the most evil way he can think of, instead of giving her a proper death. Lots of folks deserve things they don’t get and get things they don’t deserve. I took Budd’s statement to be explicative of why he’s gone from international assassin to tittie bar bouncer. He’s broken with Bill philosophically. But just because he’s reconciled himself to the notion that he deserves what he gets doesn’t mean he’s not going to fight like hell for it not to happen. He may deserve to die but he doesn’t _want_ to. > [@Trunk](#): > > The three women seem to HATE Kiddo with a passion, but WHY? Because she was Bill’s favorite in a way that they could never possibly be and she betrayed it and him. Bill may have forgiven her but that doesn’t mean they have to. Plus there’s the whole “she’s killed a number of their friends and associates and is coming after them” thing. ---
**Author:** ![Trunk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/87869e/32.png) [@Trunk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trunk)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2004, 1:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kill-bill-2-plot-point-questions-spoilers/260767/26 "2004-08-23T13:15:43Z")
> [@Otto](#): > > Lots of folks deserve things they don’t get and get things they don’t deserve. I took Budd’s statement to be explicative of why he’s gone from international assassin to tittie bar bouncer. He’s broken with Bill philosophically. But just because he’s reconciled himself to the notion that he deserves what he gets doesn’t mean he’s not going to fight like hell for it not to happen. He may deserve to die but he doesn’t _want_ to. Right, but why does this indicate he should torture Beatrix to death, and spit in her face. His statement indicates a sympathy with her cause, one that would indicate she deserves a noble death, not a shameful death. THAT’S what I don’t get. > [@Otto](#): > > Because she was Bill’s favorite in a way that they could never possibly be and she betrayed it and him. Bill may have forgiven her but that doesn’t mean they have to. OK, but that’s still pretty much a WAG. Was there any indication that O-ren, Elle, or Vernita were jealous of Bill & Bea? I didn’t see it. Well, Elle, sure – she had that motivation but it just seemed to rub off on the other two. Certainly, Bill didn’t care about Vernita leaving him to go live the “normal” life, indicating they didn’t have the connection that Bill and Bea did. > [@Otto](#): > > Plus there’s the whole “she’s killed a number of their friends and associates and is coming after them” thing. Not for Vernita. But still, they would understand her motivation. That doesn’t explain the hatred. ---
**Author:** ![shy\_guy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a6a055/32.png) [@shy\_guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/shy_guy)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2004, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kill-bill-2-plot-point-questions-spoilers/260767/27 "2004-08-23T18:02:03Z")
> [@](#): > > But still, they would understand her motivation. That doesn’t explain the hatred. Vernita doesn’t really seem to hate her. She apologizes for fucking her over, at least. All things considered, Vernita had a pretty mild reaction to B coming into her house. O-Ren doesn’t seem to have any deep-seated hate in her, either, besides a little bit of racism and probably, like Otto said, some jealousy. For the most part she’s pissed about what B did to Sophie (and GoGo, and Johnny Mo, and all the Crazy 88’s), I’d wager. ---
**Author:** ![Misnomer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/misnomer/32/14897_2.png) [@Misnomer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Misnomer)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2004, 3:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kill-bill-2-plot-point-questions-spoilers/260767/28 "2004-09-07T03:07:59Z")
This is the most recently active ‘Kill Bill 2 questions’ thread, so I figure it’s the best place to ask this: I just finished watching KB2, and _who the hell drove Beatrix’s car_ up to Bill’s house when she walked out carrying BB? Was that just a bit of “ok, now, the car is going to drive itself up to the house but SHHH! you’re not supposed to notice” thrown in by Tarantino, or did I seriously miss something? ---
**Author:** ![Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e19adc/32.png) [@Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2004, 5:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kill-bill-2-plot-point-questions-spoilers/260767/29 "2004-09-07T05:49:55Z")
It was the valet at the hotel complex. Bill wasn’t at his home-- he was at a resort. ---
**Author:** ![Misnomer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/misnomer/32/14897_2.png) [@Misnomer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Misnomer)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2004, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kill-bill-2-plot-point-questions-spoilers/260767/30 "2004-09-07T23:02:28Z")
Ok, so, I seriously missed something. 🙂 Thank you, **Barbarian**! ---
**Author:** ![easy\_e](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/eb8c5e/32.png) [@easy\_e](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/easy_e)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2004, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kill-bill-2-plot-point-questions-spoilers/260767/31 "2004-09-08T01:31:36Z")
> [@Trunk](#): > > Right, but why does this indicate he should torture Beatrix to death, and spit in her face. Because he made an agreement with Elle that Beatrix “would suffer unto her last breath.” He agreed to kill her in this way and give her Hanzo sword to Elle in exchange for a million bucks. ---
**Author:** ![xvxdarkknightxvx](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/34f0e0/32.png) [@xvxdarkknightxvx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/xvxdarkknightxvx)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2004, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kill-bill-2-plot-point-questions-spoilers/260767/32 "2004-09-08T01:50:13Z")
My question: Why would Pai Mei teach her the exploding heart technique when she couldn’t even master punching through a wall? ---
**Author:** ![FriarTed](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/friarted/32/1052_2.png) [@FriarTed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FriarTed)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2004, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kill-bill-2-plot-point-questions-spoilers/260767/33 "2004-09-08T02:47:09Z")
> [@xvxdarkknightxvx](#): > > My question: Why would Pai Mei teach her the exploding heart technique when she couldn’t even master punching through a wall? Because she obviously _did_ master punching through a wall. She did manage to get out of the coffin, after all! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kill-bill-2-plot-point-questions-spoilers/260767.md?page=1)