# Kill Bill is a feminist masterpiece (long with lots of spoilers)

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**Category:** Cafe Society\
**Created:** [October 11, 2003, 7:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kill-bill-is-a-feminist-masterpiece-long-with-lots-of-spoilers/206815 "2003-10-11T07:19:12Z")\
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**Author:** ![Tars\_Tarkas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Tars\_Tarkas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tars_Tarkas)\
**Post date:** [October 13, 2003, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kill-bill-is-a-feminist-masterpiece-long-with-lots-of-spoilers/206815/21 "2003-10-13T18:27:25Z")

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I don’t think this film is a good representation of a feminist masterpiece. Pretty much every woman in the film is used at one point or another by a man. The only one who escapes is Gogo, she is never used by men and instead uses them. Every other adult female character is used by one man or another. To say this is a feminist movie would be to say that all women must be used by men, and the shame from being used by men is the only way women will achieve greatness. (with Gog as the obviousl exception, and then only because she’s describved as crazy).

(note: I may or may not actually believe what i just wrote)

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**Author:** ![Peach](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/67e7ee/32.png) [@Peach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peach)\
**Post date:** [October 13, 2003, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kill-bill-is-a-feminist-masterpiece-long-with-lots-of-spoilers/206815/22 "2003-10-13T19:57:29Z")

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> \*Originally posted by even sven \*  
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> And we never see Bill (a convention of the lethal female genre, but I suspect in the second part something surprising will happen . \*\*

I swear i saw Bill in the beginning of the flick.  
Isn’t he being played by [Lance Henriksen?](http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000448/)

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**Author:** ![Tars\_Tarkas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Tars\_Tarkas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tars_Tarkas)\
**Post date:** [October 13, 2003, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kill-bill-is-a-feminist-masterpiece-long-with-lots-of-spoilers/206815/23 "2003-10-13T20:31:52Z")

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Bill is David Carradine of Kung Fu fame.

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**Author:** ![Peach](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/67e7ee/32.png) [@Peach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peach)\
**Post date:** [October 13, 2003, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kill-bill-is-a-feminist-masterpiece-long-with-lots-of-spoilers/206815/24 "2003-10-13T21:05:40Z")

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> \*Originally posted by Tars Tarkas \*  
> \*\*Bill is David Carradine of Kung Fu fame. \*\*

ah, yes - of course!  
Now i remember.

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**Author:** ![even\_sven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/dfb087/32.png) [@even\_sven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/even_sven)\
**Post date:** [October 14, 2003, 4:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kill-bill-is-a-feminist-masterpiece-long-with-lots-of-spoilers/206815/25 "2003-10-14T04:08:12Z")

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Yeah, after seeing it a second time, you do see Bill clearly.

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