# Kill Saddam, while US can develop all the WMD it wants, what a load of crap! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 1, 2002, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kill-saddam-while-us-can-develop-all-the-wmd-it-wants-what-a-load-of-crap/134781 "2002-11-01T01:26:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2002, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kill-saddam-while-us-can-develop-all-the-wmd-it-wants-what-a-load-of-crap/134781/61 "2002-11-02T16:11:09Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Henry B \* > **You can call me an idiot if You wish, just promise me to read a little bit, e.g. history of the last 50 years or so…** All the gods of irony weep. Henry, to be charitable, your posts reek of an ignorance of history (for example the ones in the thread on Israeli settlements). As suggested here, you need to study up on the significance of the Third Reich, before you make an even greater ass of yourself with foolish and ineffectual analogies between Nazis and whatever group you’re seeking to denounce. Hint: if you call everyone you dislike Nazis, pretty soon the insult lacks any force whatsoever, besides branding whomever wields such insults a driveling idiot. And speaking of history, I can’t recall any great powers of the past who acted through sheer altruism, including Great Britain, France, Holland, Spain, German, Russia etc. All did pretty much as they pleased while they were riding high. So go on and criticize specific aspects of American policy (there’s certainly plenty to criticize). But don’t pretend that wounded pride, jealousy and economic self-interest don’t enter into some of these gripes. Many Americans tend not to be impressed by former powers who get up on the world stage like aging beauty queens, fluttering and declaiming about how they’re for World Peace. ---
**Author:** ![Henry\_B](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/d78d45/32.png) [@Henry\_B](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Henry_B)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2002, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kill-saddam-while-us-can-develop-all-the-wmd-it-wants-what-a-load-of-crap/134781/62 "2002-11-02T17:29:08Z")
**Tuckerfan** wrote: > [@](#): > > So Adolf was aided in his quest for absolute domination, because the Germans had no interest in seeing the Weimar Republic continue. Well, You are right, in some sense, but I am not sure, I really do not know, how much the Iraqian people are for a democracy as we know it? I hope so. > [@](#): > > And speaking of history, I can’t recall any great powers of the past who acted through sheer altruism, including Great Britain, France, Holland, Spain, German, Russia etc. All did pretty much as they pleased while they were riding high. True! And my point is that that’s one of the reasons they fall flat! You need to read more, and not stop at the WWII. And as I asked You before: **About the last 50 years.** I do think that You know the history very properly up to the 50’ties. **Jackmanii** wrote: > [@](#): > > Henry, to be charitable, your posts reek of an ignorance of history (for example the ones in the thread on Israeli settlements). So why do You do not post in that thread so I can answer You there? You can maybe answer there the question, that I see still unanswered by You, The Expert: “To whom does the settlers pay for the land they take” (steal)? And comment some of the cites I gave. E.g. the up-beaten American pensioneers… etc. Don’t try to pity me about “not knowing”, when You can’t even answer or comment simple questions? Just run away when the questions becomes “disturbing”, shouting in other threads, while running: “He does not know anything!!”, like a frighten child. And that much courtesy You could show, when You are hinting at people not being on the level of Your Higher Knowledge, that You put out the link to the thread You reffer to? So that people could see what is true and what is just empty talk. I am still curious: Do You think it is normal to say; **“As for “x-country”, they’re in fucking charge here and there’s nothing you can do about it. You do this, they’ll do that and they’ll continue to do whatever the fuck they like, OK?"** I have hard to take back the hint that it is typical nazi-talk, but I can assure You that it is not normal democratic way of speaking. Just wonder what You call it? So, if I have to call it something else, please enlighten me what, and I will be Your ever so obidient pupil. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2002, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kill-saddam-while-us-can-develop-all-the-wmd-it-wants-what-a-load-of-crap/134781/63 "2002-11-02T18:15:25Z")
Let it be known that I fully support the right of Saddam Hussein to nuke Henry B. As for: > [@](#): > > “As for “x-country”, they’re in fucking charge here and there’s nothing you can do about it. You do this, they’ll do that and they’ll continue to do whatever the fuck they like, OK?" The Op said it first, the Op! The Op! The OP! I was paraphrasing him in a rhetorical trick, one that evidently was too subtle to be appreciated by all. …likening **me** to Nazis, pul-LEEZE!.. ---
**Author:** ![Henry\_B](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/d78d45/32.png) [@Henry\_B](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Henry_B)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2002, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kill-saddam-while-us-can-develop-all-the-wmd-it-wants-what-a-load-of-crap/134781/64 "2002-11-02T19:36:58Z")
**Bryan Ekers**!!! My appologize! Mea culpa. But it is safer to use these marks =\> “when You are quoting” or [quote] [/quote] . Not just put it plainly inside Your own texts. Nobody other seem also to understand it. Anyhow, forgive me for my mistake. Peace, even f Saddam takes me as the first target ;). ---
**Author:** ![Henry\_B](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/d78d45/32.png) [@Henry\_B](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Henry_B)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2002, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kill-saddam-while-us-can-develop-all-the-wmd-it-wants-what-a-load-of-crap/134781/65 "2002-11-02T19:38:17Z")
**Bryan Ekers**!!! My appologize! Mea culpa. But it is safer to use these marks =\> “when You are quoting” or [quote] [/quote] . Not just put a quote plainly inside Your own texts. Nobody else seem also to understood it. Anyhow, forgive me for my mistake. Peace, even if Saddam takes me as the first target ;). ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2002, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kill-saddam-while-us-can-develop-all-the-wmd-it-wants-what-a-load-of-crap/134781/66 "2002-11-02T19:48:25Z")
You’re going to have to do a lot better than throwing in a smiley if you think that’ll absolve you of accusing someone of being a Nazi. ---
**Author:** ![Henry\_B](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/d78d45/32.png) [@Henry\_B](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Henry_B)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2002, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kill-saddam-while-us-can-develop-all-the-wmd-it-wants-what-a-load-of-crap/134781/67 "2002-11-02T21:01:23Z")
**Bryan Ekers** The smiley was for You sending a Saddam nuke in my direction. Try to read line by line. But I come to You later, a little bit busy now. ---
**Author:** ![Henry\_B](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/d78d45/32.png) [@Henry\_B](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Henry_B)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2002, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kill-saddam-while-us-can-develop-all-the-wmd-it-wants-what-a-load-of-crap/134781/68 "2002-11-02T23:53:59Z")
Hi **Jackmannii!** I went back to the thread You earlier told about. [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=141428&pagenumber=2](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=141428&pagenumber=2) The thread where I did not understand history, remember?, and from where You run away. Now I put there 10 easy questuions that I asked before. Just give me a lection in history and everything will be fine. ---
**Author:** ![Weirddave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@Weirddave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weirddave)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2002, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kill-saddam-while-us-can-develop-all-the-wmd-it-wants-what-a-load-of-crap/134781/69 "2002-11-03T00:22:28Z")
“Lecture”. Not critical, I know english isn’t your first language, just so you know next time. Lecture, not lection. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2002, 5:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kill-saddam-while-us-can-develop-all-the-wmd-it-wants-what-a-load-of-crap/134781/70 "2002-11-03T05:45:06Z")
Henry. It became clear in the settlement thread that you had no interest in rational discussion, but in ranting and citing the undocumented claims of extremists as gospel. At least this is the right forum in which to rant. Your limited language skills are the least of your problems. Go listen to some Sibelius (perhaps the Karelian Suite?) - maybe it’ll clear the cobwebs and unfocused hatred out of your skull. And go do a search on Godwin’s Law. **Bryan** , I hereby give you the Power. Use it wisely, use it well. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2002, 5:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kill-saddam-while-us-can-develop-all-the-wmd-it-wants-what-a-load-of-crap/134781/71 "2002-11-03T05:45:07Z")
Henry. It became clear in the settlement thread that you had no interest in rational discussion, but in ranting and citing the undocumented claims of extremists as gospel. At least this is the right forum in which to rant. Your limited language skills are the least of your problems. Go listen to some Sibelius (perhaps the Karelian Suite?) - maybe it’ll clear the cobwebs and unfocused hatred out of your skull. And go do a search on Godwin’s Law. **Bryan** , I hereby give you the Power. Use it wisely, use it well. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Henry\_B](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/d78d45/32.png) [@Henry\_B](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Henry_B)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2002, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kill-saddam-while-us-can-develop-all-the-wmd-it-wants-what-a-load-of-crap/134781/72 "2002-11-03T14:10:59Z")
Thanks **Weirddave**! I’m glad You wrote. I know that You did mean it in a good way. I just have to tell You this. Just have to; there was an error in Your text as well about this “lecture”-word, hihihihi. 😉 (And do not care about capitalizing the word “You”. I do it in every language, because I feel it is “right”. That is the custom even in English business-letters.) I have naturally the grammatical problems, and my Webster has broken down, but my biggest problem is to keep Swedish (I am a Swede-Finn), German and the English languages separated. After living in Russia about 6 years, I also have begun sometimes to answer my children, who lives in Finland, in Russian! So I am a happy mess, when it comes down to linguas. Then, **Jackmannii**. You wrote: > [@](#): > > It became clear in the settlement thread that you had no interest in rational discussion, but in ranting and citing the undocumented claims of extremists as gospel. At least this is the right forum in which to rant. Could You be more specific? Is it Christian Science Monitor, IAP, Al-Ayam /Hear Palestine News Service/Israeli Hebrew Radio, Charlotte Observer, REUTERS or Gush-Shalom You are concerned about? You see, I try to gather information where ever I get it, just not believe something I’ve been told by someone. I strongly recommend You do likewise. Rational discussion? How can I have a rational discussion with You when You jump here and there, not answering even one question? And what is undocumented? Just ask for a cite and You get it. > [@](#): > > Your limited language skills are the least of your problems. Yeah, I know. I’ve been studying about 9 - 10 languages, but cover only 4 - 7, depending how You define “the knowledge of a language” or “speaking a language”. * * * And then You give everything to Brian? Why should he answer for You in a thread where You been, but he doesn’t? Come on, just admit that You are a coward. > [@](#): > > Go listen to some Sibelius (perhaps the Karelian Suite?) - maybe it’ll clear the cobwebs and unfocused hatred out of your skull. Unfocused hatred? You mean when I do not hate anyone or any group or race, it is “unfocused”. What should I focus on? And why should I hate? Well, yes, in a sense, I hate injustice, that is true. But I do not hate e.g. You 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2002, 4:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kill-saddam-while-us-can-develop-all-the-wmd-it-wants-what-a-load-of-crap/134781/73 "2002-11-04T04:05:45Z")
Very touching. I have responding to your rantings in the aforementioned thread (at least the more intelligible ones). This is basically a useless exercise, because as you have demonstrated again here, you have a “Four Legs Good, Two Legs Bad” outlook which is not conducive to rational discussion. Americans are Bad, the rest of the world is Good, Israelis are Demonic, Palestinians are the Saintly Oppressed. It is thus not worthwhile “debating” with you, as you ignore counterarguments that refute you, while insisting righteously that every one of your drooling irrelevancies be attended to. As to your “sources”, I see far more dependence on things like the Islamic Voice for Palestine and HearPalestine. The latter is a Yahoo! newsgroup, **Henry**. It’s a frigging _newsgroup_, which issues unsigned “bulletins”. This is the authoritative voice we’re supposed to trust? Rather than burdening us with your rantings on the Mideast and other topics (congratulations, by the way, on being a semiliterate jerk in multiple languages), why not contact **december** about becoming pen pals? Your styles have a great deal in common. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kill-saddam-while-us-can-develop-all-the-wmd-it-wants-what-a-load-of-crap/134781.md?page=3)