# Killer of Bichon Frise Sues Dog's Former Owner **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 1, 2003, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/killer-of-bichon-frise-sues-dogs-former-owner/158450 "2003-03-01T21:22:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![FairyDust](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ccd318/32.png) [@FairyDust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FairyDust)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2003, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/killer-of-bichon-frise-sues-dogs-former-owner/158450/1 "2003-03-01T21:22:05Z")
Andrew Burnett, you are a loser. First you kill a innocent dog by grabbing him from his owner’s lap and throwing him into fast-moving traffic so the poor scared little dog gets run over. Fast forward to you being convicted and having to serve a three-year prison sentence. Now you have the audacity to sue that dog’s former owner and the San Jose Mercury News? [http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/news/archive/2003/02/28/state1339EST0072.DTL](http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/news/archive/2003/02/28/state1339EST0072.DTL) and [http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/1437987.stm](http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/1437987.stm) I can see why for a while you had the title of “the most hated man in America”. ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2003, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/killer-of-bichon-frise-sues-dogs-former-owner/158450/2 "2003-03-01T21:25:15Z")
I wondered what attorney would tell him he had a case, then I saw that he was representing himself. oh. Probably on a contingency basis… ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Blue\_Sky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d26b3c/32.png) [@Mr.Blue\_Sky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Blue_Sky)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2003, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/killer-of-bichon-frise-sues-dogs-former-owner/158450/3 "2003-03-01T21:29:59Z")
Let him have the million dollars. Oh, the hitch? It’ll be in pennies dropped out of an airplane at 20,000 feet. If he catches it and lives, he can keep it. ---
**Author:** ![Kal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/9de053/32.png) [@Kal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kal)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2003, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/killer-of-bichon-frise-sues-dogs-former-owner/158450/4 "2003-03-01T22:46:19Z")
That is several shades of fucked up. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Blunty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4491bb/32.png) [@Captain\_Blunty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Blunty)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2003, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/killer-of-bichon-frise-sues-dogs-former-owner/158450/5 "2003-03-01T23:36:39Z")
I’m sitting here with tears in my eyes. What a monster that man is, and I feel so bad for the poor dog’s owner, and the poor little pup. Animal cruelty makes me so mad, and it’s so sad. He’s a pathedic, moronic excuse for a man. ---
**Author:** ![Will\_Repair](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/a698b9/32.png) [@Will\_Repair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Will_Repair)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2003, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/killer-of-bichon-frise-sues-dogs-former-owner/158450/6 "2003-03-01T23:57:37Z")
He killed a dog and now he’s killing time. ---
**Author:** ![Will\_Repair](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/a698b9/32.png) [@Will\_Repair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Will_Repair)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2003, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/killer-of-bichon-frise-sues-dogs-former-owner/158450/7 "2003-03-02T00:00:04Z")
But three years? See the good that PETA does? ---
**Author:** ![FairyDust](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ccd318/32.png) [@FairyDust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FairyDust)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2003, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/killer-of-bichon-frise-sues-dogs-former-owner/158450/8 "2003-03-02T00:00:10Z")
I was searching for possible updates to the Andrew Burnett dog killer story, and came across this: [http://www.drivenbyboredom.com/keithor/fuck\_puppies.htm](http://www.drivenbyboredom.com/keithor/fuck_puppies.htm) WTF?! I noticed the sicko who uploaded this disgusting web page left no means for visitors to e-mail him to tell him what a sick hateful individual he is. Angry Keith, you are one scary sick piece of shit! People who love to hurt/kill animals are also capable of hurting/killing human beings! I hope if you do something heinous that you get caught and then locked up forever! ---
**Author:** ![kambuckta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/53a042/32.png) [@kambuckta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kambuckta)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2003, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/killer-of-bichon-frise-sues-dogs-former-owner/158450/9 "2003-03-02T00:13:43Z")
If indeed he _did_ suffer injuries from the initial accident, why should he be barred from seeking damages? As far as I see it, he has the right (like anybody else) to be compensated for his injuries. This should be a completely seperate issue to the killing of the dog. He is currently serving time (and rightly so) but does that mean he has no ethical right to petition the courts for redress, both from the dogs owner and the newspapers? For his sake though, I hope he has plenty of medical evidence to back his claim. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![kambuckta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/53a042/32.png) [@kambuckta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kambuckta)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2003, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/killer-of-bichon-frise-sues-dogs-former-owner/158450/10 "2003-03-02T00:18:47Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by FairyDust \* > \*\* > > [http://www.drivenbyboredom.com/keithor/fuck\_puppies.htm](http://www.drivenbyboredom.com/keithor/fuck_puppies.htm) > > Angry Keith, you are one scary sick piece of shit! People who love to hurt/kill animals are also capable of hurting/killing human beings! I hope if you do something heinous that you get caught and then locked up forever! \*\* Oh for goodness sake **FairyDust**. It’s meant to be humorous, y’know…_funny_…tongue-in-cheek and all of that. Sheesh. ---
**Author:** ![FairyDust](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ccd318/32.png) [@FairyDust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FairyDust)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2003, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/killer-of-bichon-frise-sues-dogs-former-owner/158450/11 "2003-03-02T00:41:42Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by kambuckta \* > \*\*Oh for goodness sake **FairyDust**. It’s meant to be humorous, y’know…_funny_…tongue-in-cheek and all of that. > > Sheesh. \*\* I hope your’re right. How do you know that for sure? Can you say for a certainty that there is not some sick person out there who feels that way? ---
**Author:** ![Ice\_Wolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/dfb087/32.png) [@Ice\_Wolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ice_Wolf)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2003, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/killer-of-bichon-frise-sues-dogs-former-owner/158450/12 "2003-03-02T00:51:51Z")
I tend to agree with **kambuckta** , **FairyDust** – this Keith Newall seems to be more a smartarse than a serious threat to little doggies and kitties everywhere. [Exhibit A: His junk mail rant.](http://www.drivenbyboredom.com/keithor/fuck_junk_mail.htm) ---
**Author:** ![Rhum\_Runner](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/2bfe46/32.png) [@Rhum\_Runner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rhum_Runner)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2003, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/killer-of-bichon-frise-sues-dogs-former-owner/158450/13 "2003-03-02T00:53:29Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by FairyDust \* > \*\*I hope your’re right. > > How do you know that for sure? Can you say for a certainty that there is not some sick person out there who feels that way? \*\* Yes! I am CERTAIN that there is not _one_ person out there that feels that way. I thought three years for killing a dog was a bit much, but the guy is clearly an ass, no doubt about that. The woman was a bit wierd too, refering to the dog as her child and such. ---
**Author:** ![kambuckta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/53a042/32.png) [@kambuckta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kambuckta)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2003, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/killer-of-bichon-frise-sues-dogs-former-owner/158450/14 "2003-03-02T00:56:08Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by FairyDust \* > \*\* > How do you know that for sure? Can you say for a certainty that there is not some sick person out there who feels that way? \*\* Oh, I’m sure there _are_ many sickos out there who get their jollies out of hurting animals. Of course, I can’t know _for sure_, but this guy just doesn’t strike me as actively promoting animal cruelty. Anyway, I gotta agree with him when he says that if it will fit in a glove-box, it isn’t a **dog**. 😃 😃 ---
**Author:** ![RangerDude](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/9e8a1a/32.png) [@RangerDude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RangerDude)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2003, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/killer-of-bichon-frise-sues-dogs-former-owner/158450/15 "2003-03-02T00:58:19Z")
As an animal lover, I did not find Angry Keith’s rant to be humorous at all, if it was indeed meant to be a tongue-in-cheek piece. It was in very poor taste. I doubt very much that the former owner of poor Leo would find it funny either. Angry Keith ripped into that poor woman, too with his ugly comments. Joking about killing a poor helpless innocent dog is no more funny than joking about lynching a black man. What if someone wrote a rant about that? Are we supposed to just assume it’s tongue-in-cheek? The only person who knows for sure if it was meant to be humorous is Angry Keith. And how convenient for him that he doesn’t allow any way for people to ask him that so he can respond and tell what he really meant. ---
**Author:** ![Ice\_Wolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/dfb087/32.png) [@Ice\_Wolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ice_Wolf)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2003, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/killer-of-bichon-frise-sues-dogs-former-owner/158450/16 "2003-03-02T01:01:28Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Rhum Runner \* > \*\* The woman was a bit wierd too, refering to the dog as her child and such. \*\* There are a lot of pet-owners out there who do just that, **Rhum Runner**. Nothing particularly weird or especially notable about that. And yes, **FairyDust** , there are loads of arseholes out there who think that cruelty to animals is a cool thing. It’s just that, in the case you cited, the author was after black-humoured shock value, nothing much more. ---
**Author:** ![Rhum\_Runner](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/2bfe46/32.png) [@Rhum\_Runner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rhum_Runner)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2003, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/killer-of-bichon-frise-sues-dogs-former-owner/158450/17 "2003-03-02T01:01:36Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by RangerDude \* > \*\*Joking about killing a poor helpless innocent dog is no more funny than joking about lynching a black man. What if someone wrote a rant about that? Are we supposed to just assume it’s tongue-in-cheek? > \*\* For fuck’s sake, where _do_ you people come from? I love dogs and most animals in general (no cats, thank you very much), but I would never liken killing a dog to lynching a black man. It’s just silly to even try to make the comparison. ---
**Author:** ![RangerDude](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/9e8a1a/32.png) [@RangerDude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RangerDude)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2003, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/killer-of-bichon-frise-sues-dogs-former-owner/158450/18 "2003-03-02T01:04:04Z")
Let’s just say that we agree that on this subject we disagree and leave it at that. ---
**Author:** ![Rhum\_Runner](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/2bfe46/32.png) [@Rhum\_Runner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rhum_Runner)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2003, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/killer-of-bichon-frise-sues-dogs-former-owner/158450/19 "2003-03-02T01:06:06Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Ice Wolf \* > **There are a lot of pet-owners out there who do just that, Rhum Runner. Nothing particularly weird or especially notable about that.** I suppose you are right there **Wolfy** , but this woman was just a little bit more attached than is probably healthy. Don’t get me wrong, I’d be outraged if someone did this to one of my dogs, and I think some criminal charges were warranted. But comparing the dog to a child, to my mind, is a bit demeaning to the importance of human life, but to each his own. ---
**Author:** ![Ice\_Wolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/dfb087/32.png) [@Ice\_Wolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ice_Wolf)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2003, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/killer-of-bichon-frise-sues-dogs-former-owner/158450/20 "2003-03-02T01:20:52Z")
Hmm. I don’t think it’s a matter of “comparing” the dog to a child, **Rhum Runner** , as it is that the owner may have (and I haven’t seen cites confirming this) _equated_ her feelings as that of a parent to a child. I agree, it’s a bit of a worry, given the dog’s relatively short natural life-span, and the endless grief cycles that would come of that particular kind of attachment to her pets. I personally look on _all_ life as having importance, but that’s another debate altogether. Whatever. The road-rage guy from th’ OP is a bastard, and a money-grubbing one at that. Hopefully, most of us here can agree on that. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/killer-of-bichon-frise-sues-dogs-former-owner/158450.md?page=2)