# Kim Davis asks Supreme Court to overturn gay marriage ruling of 2015
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kim-davis-asks-supreme-court-to-overturn-gay-marriage-ruling-of-2015/1021943
**Category:** The BBQ Pit
**Created:** [August 11, 2025, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kim-davis-asks-supreme-court-to-overturn-gay-marriage-ruling-of-2015/1021943 "2025-08-11T21:51:35Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)
#### Post date: [August 29, 2025, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kim-davis-asks-supreme-court-to-overturn-gay-marriage-ruling-of-2015/1021943/221 "2025-08-29T18:54:10Z")
That’s actually a great analogy.
Here’s another one that I’ve offered up here before, and which I think is stunningly applicable:
_“The fundamental principle of all propaganda was the repetition of effective arguments; but those arguments must not be too refined – there was no point in seeking to convert the intellectuals. For intellectuals would never be converted and would anyway always yield to the stronger, and this will always be the man in the street. Arguments must therefore be crude, clear and forcible, and appeal to emotions and instincts, not to the intellect. Truth was unimportant, and entirely subordinate to the tactics and psychology, but convenient lies (“poetic truth”, as he once called them) must always be made credible.”_
–Hugh Trevor-Roper, English historian, paraphrasing Joseph Goebbels, WWII German Propaganda Minister
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### Author:  [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)
#### Post date: [August 29, 2025, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kim-davis-asks-supreme-court-to-overturn-gay-marriage-ruling-of-2015/1021943/222 "2025-08-29T19:41:10Z")
All Kim Davis is doing is desperately trying to find ways to be relevant again.
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### Author:  [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)
#### Post date: [August 29, 2025, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kim-davis-asks-supreme-court-to-overturn-gay-marriage-ruling-of-2015/1021943/223 "2025-08-29T19:45:14Z")
…and possibly giving the Supreme Court the excuse to overturn Obergefell.
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### Author:  [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)
#### Post date: [August 29, 2025, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kim-davis-asks-supreme-court-to-overturn-gay-marriage-ruling-of-2015/1021943/224 "2025-08-29T19:48:01Z")
That’s not gonna happen. I’ll believe it when I see it.
Let’s put it this way, if that happens, I will make a video of me eating my underwear and post it on here.
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### Author:  [@Dr.Drake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Drake)
#### Post date: [August 29, 2025, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kim-davis-asks-supreme-court-to-overturn-gay-marriage-ruling-of-2015/1021943/225 "2025-08-29T20:14:34Z")
Do you believe that the specific scenario won’t happen, or that Obergefell is safe?
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### Author:  [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)
#### Post date: [August 29, 2025, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kim-davis-asks-supreme-court-to-overturn-gay-marriage-ruling-of-2015/1021943/226 "2025-08-29T20:20:56Z")
Both.
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### Author:  [@Dr.Drake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Drake)
#### Post date: [August 29, 2025, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kim-davis-asks-supreme-court-to-overturn-gay-marriage-ruling-of-2015/1021943/227 "2025-08-29T20:24:16Z")
I wish I could share that belief.
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### Author:  [@Q.Q.Switcheroo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Q.Q.Switcheroo)
#### Post date: [August 30, 2025, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kim-davis-asks-supreme-court-to-overturn-gay-marriage-ruling-of-2015/1021943/228 "2025-08-30T00:50:10Z")
Point taken, but….
> **[Leviticus traps | The Jerusalem Post](https://www.jpost.com/opinion/op-ed-contributors/leviticus-traps)**
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> It's time for some dialogue on gay issues, but beliefs shouldn't be misrepresented or mocked.
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### Author:  [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)
#### Post date: [August 30, 2025, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kim-davis-asks-supreme-court-to-overturn-gay-marriage-ruling-of-2015/1021943/229 "2025-08-30T01:03:58Z")
> [@Q.Q.Switcheroo](#):
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> Point taken, but….
Counterpoint:
Fuck that guy.
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### Author:  [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)
#### Post date: [August 30, 2025, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kim-davis-asks-supreme-court-to-overturn-gay-marriage-ruling-of-2015/1021943/230 "2025-08-30T01:04:53Z")
I guess I picked a good day _not_ to be an orthodox (but rather, an agnostic/Humanistic/atheist/a-religious/non-practicing) Jew, then, huh? 😉
ETA: I’d like to acknowledge @Miller for an outstanding “TL;DR” on the matter 🙂
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### Author:  [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)
#### Post date: [August 30, 2025, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kim-davis-asks-supreme-court-to-overturn-gay-marriage-ruling-of-2015/1021943/231 "2025-08-30T01:39:52Z")
> [@Dr.Drake](#):
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> What they want is to see women punished for having recreational sex.
An attitude which, of course, encourages abortion. Because if society punishes women for having sex, then a woman who shows evidence of having had sex will be punished, and so she’ll want to remove that evidence.
> [@kenobi\_65](#):
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> They also believe that God commands humans to “be fruitful and multiply,” and contraceptives discourage people from having lots of kids.
And have you ever noticed that most of the people who publicly oppose contraceptives have 1-3 kids, same as everyone else? I wonder how that happens…
> [@We\_re\_wolves\_not\_werewolves](#):
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> I generally oppose abortion, but I support the availability of contraception (for women and men). I imagine a significant portion of the anti-abortion crowd thinks similarly.
What you have to realize is that there are not two sides to the abortion debate, but six: Pro-life, pro-choice, anti-life, anti-choice, pro-abortion, and anti-abortion. Right now, the anti-choice faction holds most of the political power in the US. I think it was a terrible mistake on the part of many pro-lifers to think that the anti-choicers were allies. They’re not. They’d be just as happy to mandate abortion as to prohibit it, and I suspect we’ll start seeing that soon.
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### Author:  [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)
#### Post date: [August 30, 2025, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kim-davis-asks-supreme-court-to-overturn-gay-marriage-ruling-of-2015/1021943/232 "2025-08-30T18:18:18Z")
> [@Miller](#):
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> Fuck that guy.
Exactly.
Once your religious tenets start affecting other people, not just yourself, nobody has an obligation to respect them.
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### Author:  [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)
#### Post date: [August 30, 2025, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kim-davis-asks-supreme-court-to-overturn-gay-marriage-ruling-of-2015/1021943/233 "2025-08-30T23:21:38Z")
Also if you read the article he’s disputing the notion that his religion picks and chooses which dictates from the bible to follow based on their biases by saying “No some older guys picked and chose what we have to follow and wrote it down. So there is no bias there what so ever.”
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### Author:  [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)
#### Post date: [August 31, 2025, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kim-davis-asks-supreme-court-to-overturn-gay-marriage-ruling-of-2015/1021943/234 "2025-08-31T16:58:22Z")
That’s not really what he said. What he really said is "in addition to the written Torah, God also gave us a lot of information on how to interpret it, that we didn’t write down until circa 0 BCE. And that info has been studied and annotated by experts.
That being said, who gives a flying fuck what a bunch of guys thought God said to Moses thousands of years ago.
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### Author:  [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)
#### Post date: [August 31, 2025, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kim-davis-asks-supreme-court-to-overturn-gay-marriage-ruling-of-2015/1021943/235 "2025-08-31T17:04:32Z")
> [@puzzlegal](#):
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> That’s not really what he said. What he really said is "in addition to the written Torah, God also gave us a lot of information on how to interpret it,
At least in Islam, the Qur’an is thought to be the actual Word of Allah, not some interpretation a guy made of the God’s words that co-incidentally match up with his personal beliefs.
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### Author:  [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)
#### Post date: [August 31, 2025, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kim-davis-asks-supreme-court-to-overturn-gay-marriage-ruling-of-2015/1021943/236 "2025-08-31T17:11:01Z")
> [@Saint\_Cad](#):
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> At least in Islam, the Qur’an is thought to be the actual Word of Allah
Fundamentalist Christians also believe that the entire Bible (both the Old and New Testaments) is the “divinely inspired and inerrant word of God,” and that even those books and passages which don’t directly quote God or Jesus were placed in the minds of the authors by God himself.
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### Author:  [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)
#### Post date: [August 31, 2025, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kim-davis-asks-supreme-court-to-overturn-gay-marriage-ruling-of-2015/1021943/237 "2025-08-31T17:15:11Z")
Except the Fundamentalists I have known still interpret the Bible according to what needs to be obeyed and what can be ignored. Example: a person in my college class that insisted women toady could not be pastors as per Romans yet she did not wear a hat outdoors in violation of Corinthians because **that** Pauline rule only applied to women of Corinth at that time.
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### Author:  [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)
#### Post date: [August 31, 2025, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kim-davis-asks-supreme-court-to-overturn-gay-marriage-ruling-of-2015/1021943/238 "2025-08-31T17:17:22Z")
> [@kenobi\_65](#):
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> Fundamentalist Christians also believe that the entire Bible (both the Old and New Testaments) is the “divinely inspired and inerrant word of God,”
Including the bit in the Old Testament that says that no other scripture can ever be added.
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### Author:  [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)
#### Post date: [August 31, 2025, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kim-davis-asks-supreme-court-to-overturn-gay-marriage-ruling-of-2015/1021943/239 "2025-08-31T17:25:02Z")
> [@Saint\_Cad](#):
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> Except the Fundamentalists I have known still interpret the Bible according to what needs to be obeyed and what can be ignored.
Which, arguably, makes them (a) not Fundamentalists, and (b) picking and choosing based on their own preferences.
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### Author:  [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)
#### Post date: [August 31, 2025, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kim-davis-asks-supreme-court-to-overturn-gay-marriage-ruling-of-2015/1021943/240 "2025-08-31T17:34:44Z")
Is there any “true Fundamentalist” out there who doesn’t pick and choose?
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