# Kim Davis asks Supreme Court to overturn gay marriage ruling of 2015
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kim-davis-asks-supreme-court-to-overturn-gay-marriage-ruling-of-2015/1021943
**Category:** The BBQ Pit
**Created:** [August 11, 2025, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kim-davis-asks-supreme-court-to-overturn-gay-marriage-ruling-of-2015/1021943 "2025-08-11T21:51:35Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)
#### Post date: [August 19, 2025, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kim-davis-asks-supreme-court-to-overturn-gay-marriage-ruling-of-2015/1021943/161 "2025-08-19T14:58:50Z")
> [@RitterSport](#):
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> But, important for this conversation, let’s not forget what Jesus Himself said about homosexuality:
In the spirit of my earlier post, I will now post in full what Jesus Himself said about abortion:
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### Author:  [@scudsucker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scudsucker)
#### Post date: [August 19, 2025, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kim-davis-asks-supreme-court-to-overturn-gay-marriage-ruling-of-2015/1021943/162 "2025-08-19T15:37:06Z")
Our Lord Jesus also said some things tangentially related to abortion, namely:
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### Author:  [@doreen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doreen)
#### Post date: [August 19, 2025, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kim-davis-asks-supreme-court-to-overturn-gay-marriage-ruling-of-2015/1021943/163 "2025-08-19T16:02:47Z")
I’m wondering exactly how you are defining “doctrine” so that abortion and birth control are never religious issues. The Catholic church certainly sees abortion and birth control as religious issues ( the death penalty as well, but the “pro-life” contingent often ignores that) and it’s my understanding that many Jewish groups see abortion as a religious issue from the other side - that their religious freedom is violated if abortion is prohibited.
None of which means anyone should get to impose their religious beliefs on other people.
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### Author:  [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)
#### Post date: [August 19, 2025, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kim-davis-asks-supreme-court-to-overturn-gay-marriage-ruling-of-2015/1021943/164 "2025-08-19T16:07:40Z")
> [@Dr.Drake](#):
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> Yes, but abortion, birth control, and sex education are cultural issues rather than religious ones. In the US, churches have worked hard to make these religious issues, successfully, but they aren’t important parts of doctrine or ritual.
I will posit that most Americans who are against abortion, against broad access to birth control, and against sex education in schools, are conservative Christians, and whose opposition to these things is tied directly to their religious beliefs, and what they have been told by their religious leaders. “My faith tells me that these things are wrong, and for the sake of defending our Christian nation, they must be eliminated.”
So, even if they are “cultural issues,” their opposition to these things is inextricably tied to faith, making them religious issues.
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### Author:  [@scudsucker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scudsucker)
#### Post date: [August 19, 2025, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kim-davis-asks-supreme-court-to-overturn-gay-marriage-ruling-of-2015/1021943/165 "2025-08-19T16:11:25Z")
> [@doreen](#):
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> certainly sees abortion and birth control as religious issues
I get the religious excitement, but in my part of the world the Catholic church is also all big on circumcision.
Forgive me if I treat the religious fervour with the respect they gave my foreskin at age 10 days.
Is using a condom better or worse? I mean, every sperm is sacred, as our beloved brethren Monty Python reminds us, but why take off a part of my penis? It still produces semen.
(Well, not anymore, vasectomy does that for me. That is probably against church doctrine, too.)
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### Author:  [@Nightaudit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nightaudit)
#### Post date: [August 19, 2025, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kim-davis-asks-supreme-court-to-overturn-gay-marriage-ruling-of-2015/1021943/166 "2025-08-19T19:25:54Z")
Did South Africa have a sort of “third great awakening” in the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries that the US had? Centred around the a rejection of modernism and higher criticism? A lot of the fallout from the modernists/fundamentalist controversy of the 1880-1930 is a big factor in the current political situation here in the United States… I don’t mean this as a snarky comment, I’m kinda curious if South Africa experienced a similar fundamentalist movement in a rejection to religious and secular modernism? Much of the Christian nuttiness here in America can be traced back these events.
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### Author:  [@We\_re\_wolves\_not\_werewolves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/We_re_wolves_not_werewolves)
#### Post date: [August 19, 2025, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kim-davis-asks-supreme-court-to-overturn-gay-marriage-ruling-of-2015/1021943/167 "2025-08-19T19:44:04Z")
> [@scudsucker](#):
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> I get the religious excitement, but in my part of the world the Catholic church is also all big on circumcision.
I’m not sure where you are from, but the Catholic church has no official position on circumcision. I was raised Catholic and there was no discussion or recommendation (for or against) it that I am aware of.
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### Author:  [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)
#### Post date: [August 19, 2025, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kim-davis-asks-supreme-court-to-overturn-gay-marriage-ruling-of-2015/1021943/168 "2025-08-19T19:52:48Z")
> [@puzzlegal](#):
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> Oh, it’s broader than that. A police officer could (publicly, out loud) refuse to protect a member of a religious minority. A doctor could refuse to treat a member if the opposite sex. (It the same sex, i guess.)
The difference being if a government official does it, does it violate the establishment of religion clause?
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### Author:  [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)
#### Post date: [August 19, 2025, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kim-davis-asks-supreme-court-to-overturn-gay-marriage-ruling-of-2015/1021943/169 "2025-08-19T19:57:16Z")
> [@Nightaudit](#):
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> Did South Africa have a sort of “third great awakening” in the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries that the US had?
They were too busy [fighting a war](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Boer_War)…
… and the Boers didn’t need a revival, they were always Christian Puritans [of a strong Calvinist bent](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afrikaner_Calvinism).
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### Author:  [@Johanna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johanna)
#### Post date: [August 19, 2025, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kim-davis-asks-supreme-court-to-overturn-gay-marriage-ruling-of-2015/1021943/170 "2025-08-19T20:23:39Z")
> [@Buck\_Godot](#):
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> allow guys to marry
“Allow guys to marry” he says.
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### Author:  [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)
#### Post date: [August 19, 2025, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kim-davis-asks-supreme-court-to-overturn-gay-marriage-ruling-of-2015/1021943/171 "2025-08-19T20:35:59Z")
“Eeeeey… We all got together to marry these two guys here in this blessed Taco Bell. If anybody gots an objection keep it to yourself, ya get me?!”
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### Author:  [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)
#### Post date: [August 19, 2025, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kim-davis-asks-supreme-court-to-overturn-gay-marriage-ruling-of-2015/1021943/172 "2025-08-19T20:38:36Z")
> [@Dr.Drake](#):
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> Yes, but abortion, birth control, and sex education are cultural issues rather than religious ones.
I disagree because states, company insurance and public school have no place to tell me what religious tenets I must hold. I know they weasel out of it, but when a Christian-based business like Hobby Lobby tells me that the health insurance _I pay for_ refuses to pay for Mrs. Cad’s birth control pills or completely legal (in my state) abortion … that is religious and them telling me I must abide by their religious beliefs or leave the company.
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### Author:  [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)
#### Post date: [August 19, 2025, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kim-davis-asks-supreme-court-to-overturn-gay-marriage-ruling-of-2015/1021943/173 "2025-08-19T20:39:00Z")
Apologies for my inadvertently sexist shorthand 🙁. Should have said “allow two men or two women to marry”.
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### Author:  [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)
#### Post date: [August 19, 2025, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kim-davis-asks-supreme-court-to-overturn-gay-marriage-ruling-of-2015/1021943/174 "2025-08-19T20:47:01Z")
> [@kenobi\_65](#):
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> I will posit that most Americans who are against abortion, against broad access to birth control, and against sex education in schools, are conservative Christians
The content of that statement is that most people against those things are conservative. Most Americans who are pro-choice, pro-birth-control, and pro-sex-ed are also Christians.
> [@scudsucker](#):
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> I get the religious excitement, but in my part of the world the Catholic church is also all big on circumcision.
Where is that? The Vatican explicitly has no position on circumcision. In fact, the New Testament directly says that circumcision or uncircumcision is irrelevant.
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### Author:  [@Nightaudit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nightaudit)
#### Post date: [August 19, 2025, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kim-davis-asks-supreme-court-to-overturn-gay-marriage-ruling-of-2015/1021943/175 "2025-08-19T20:47:04Z")
The English just can’t leave other people alone can they… Tiocfaidh _ár lá!_
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### Author:  [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)
#### Post date: [August 19, 2025, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kim-davis-asks-supreme-court-to-overturn-gay-marriage-ruling-of-2015/1021943/176 "2025-08-19T21:01:57Z")
And i assumed it was a typo for “gays”.
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### Author:  [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)
#### Post date: [August 19, 2025, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kim-davis-asks-supreme-court-to-overturn-gay-marriage-ruling-of-2015/1021943/177 "2025-08-19T21:03:41Z")
> [@Nightaudit](#):
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> The English just can’t leave other people alone can they
Via 23 & me I found out I’m very Scottish and therefore can now say my people are oppressed.
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### Author:  [@Locrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Locrian)
#### Post date: [August 19, 2025, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kim-davis-asks-supreme-court-to-overturn-gay-marriage-ruling-of-2015/1021943/178 "2025-08-19T21:17:40Z")
You may have been correct in this case. Weren’t the couple Kim Davis denied two men?
Either way, it’s all bible-thumping bullshit. For years I’ve said each house of worship would be better if turned into a hospital, public school or a parking lot. Because even parking lots give you more encouragement than the Bible ever will. 😃
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### Author:  [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)
#### Post date: [August 19, 2025, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kim-davis-asks-supreme-court-to-overturn-gay-marriage-ruling-of-2015/1021943/179 "2025-08-19T21:22:59Z")
I don’t know about encouragement, but you can certainly get validation from a parking lot.
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### Author:  [@Locrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Locrian)
#### Post date: [August 19, 2025, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kim-davis-asks-supreme-court-to-overturn-gay-marriage-ruling-of-2015/1021943/180 "2025-08-19T21:25:35Z")
Even better! Not much validation in the Bible either, other than you are a sinner through something someone did who you are not related to. 🙂
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