well I think that’s a pretty broad brush stroke there. Maybe this is getting outside the scope of this thread, but it certainly doesn’t describe me. I generally oppose abortion, but I support the availability of contraception (for women and men). I imagine a significant portion of the anti-abortion crowd thinks similarly.
At least here in the U.S., I’ll disagree with you on this one. The anti-abortion groups in the U.S. are largely devout Catholics and conservative Protestants, and there’s a strong overlap between those who oppose abortion, and those who oppose easy access to contraception and sex education.
Are there some people like you, who oppose abortion but who support access to contraception? Sure. But in the U.S., the Venn diagram of “oppose abortion” and “oppose easy access to contraception” has a whole lot of overlap.
I guess it depends on what we consider “anti-abortion”. If you mean oppose abortion in all instances (including rape/incest, health of mother at risk, etc.), then yes probably restricted to very devout Catholics and some conservative Protestants. But it seems that approximately 75% of Catholics think there should be at least some restrictions on abortion based on this cite: Industry
So, I guess I should rephrase my point to say I imagine there is a significant portion of people who believe abortion should be illegal in at least some instances (e.g. late term, etc) who also support the availability of contraception.
Again, here in the U.S., it’s the anti-abortion absolutists who are dominating the conversations, and driving the new legislation. Many of them only grudgingly accept exceptions for rape, incest, and the health of the mother (or don’t accept those exceptions at all), and many of the new laws that they are proposing (and getting passed) have minimal exceptions.
yes, I agree with you on this.
Some claim to accept it for political reasons but in their heart they don’t.
Yeah, hence “grudgingly.”
The Dutch do have nasty history regarding Africa too. when you look at back at history, Europeans seem to have a hard time leaving other people and cultures alone…the more fervent the religiosity the more aggressive they seem to be towards the native populations.
And I will post in full what the Bible says about it:
Actually, I think the OT does talk about it – specifically, a recipe to have one if you find yourself pregnant from the wrong guy, right? Somewhere in Numbers, I think.
Numbers 5. I’m aware of this, and actually brought it up before on this board. But I’ve since been informed that the historic-critical (i.e. academic) consensus is that it was not actually an abortion, but just a ritual. So while I might grant it as abortion-adjacent, it’s not really an abortion.
A ritual that has no punishment for the husband’s false claim that his wife has committed adultery.
Curious that…
Ah, yes. Biblical marriage: where the woman was the property of her father and purchased by her husband.
That’s what Davis wants, right?
Just another generically great “West Wing” scene:
Washington Commanders. Apart from that triviality, it aged pretty well 
The West Wing brainwashed a generation of liberals into thinking we should strive for compromise with fascists. Great YouTubers have said as much.
I see it differently.
I think “West Wing” appealed to a better educated, more thoughtful, more civically aware and engaged audience, while MAGA actively sought out the simple, illogical, irrational, blindly faithful, overtly bigoted, sadistic, sociopathic, mean-spirited, uneducated, willfully ignorant, aggressively incurious, and shockingly credulous.
I see one group as readily, enthusiastically accepting authoritarianism while I see the other group as intrinsically poorly-prepared to fend it off. I’ll leave it to others to decide which group is which
SkipIntro makes some good points. But mainly, Aaron Sorkin created his universe where a pithy zinger would make the opposition stand there stupidly working their jaw, unable to make a response.
Or to borrow from another source: the Morlocks may have been crude, stupid and violent but they still ate the Eloi.
What no one predicted is that the voters wouldn’t care about the exposed stupidity. (half of them anyway)
That’s one of them!