# Kim Jong Un Does it Again: Kills His Defense Chief **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [May 13, 2015, 2:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kim-jong-un-does-it-again-kills-his-defense-chief/719905 "2015-05-13T02:25:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Slithy\_Tove](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slithy_tove/32/18248_2.png) [@Slithy\_Tove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slithy_Tove)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2015, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kim-jong-un-does-it-again-kills-his-defense-chief/719905/21 "2015-05-13T16:05:17Z")
> [@Paranoid\_Randroid](#): > > My experience in this area is minimal, but I’d expect that ‘don’t fall asleep in meetings with a brutal dictator’ would be fairly common knowledge. Stalin expected Khrushchev and the rest of the Politburo boys to stay up all night drinking with him, and then work all the next day. And they knew what would happen if they slacked off in either endeavor. ---
**Author:** ![Atomic\_Alex](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atomic_alex/32/175_2.png) [@Atomic\_Alex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atomic_Alex)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2015, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kim-jong-un-does-it-again-kills-his-defense-chief/719905/22 "2015-05-13T18:01:53Z")
> [@Slithy\_Tove](#): > > Stalin expected Khrushchev and the rest of the Politburo boys to stay up all night drinking with him, and then work all the next day. And they knew what would happen if they slacked off in either endeavor. I recall reading about an incident during Stalin’s time, the man of steel himself gave another of his absolutely riveting speeches, which of course required a standing ovation from the entire audience. Everyone of course kept clapping…and clapping…and clapping…ten…fifteen…twenty minutes, until eventual one person _(I believe it was a General)_ decided enough was enough, stopped clapping and sat down, to the great relief of everyone else I imagine. Said General soon got a tap on the shoulder, and as he was led off was told, “_Never_ be the first person to stop clapping!” ---
**Author:** ![hotflungwok](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/edb3f5/32.png) [@hotflungwok](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hotflungwok)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2015, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kim-jong-un-does-it-again-kills-his-defense-chief/719905/23 "2015-05-13T18:58:17Z")
Man, the more I hear about this Stalin guy the less I like him. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2015, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kim-jong-un-does-it-again-kills-his-defense-chief/719905/24 "2015-05-13T19:13:54Z")
[Obligatory.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1vkyb8ioWg) ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2015, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kim-jong-un-does-it-again-kills-his-defense-chief/719905/25 "2015-05-13T19:33:11Z")
> [@Tom\_Tildrum](#): > > Bear in mind that in reality it probably meant something like “passed out under torture while Kim Jong-Un watched.” What has been watched, cannot be Un-watched! ---
**Author:** ![Doctor\_Jackson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doctor_jackson/32/32_2.png) [@Doctor\_Jackson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Doctor_Jackson)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2015, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kim-jong-un-does-it-again-kills-his-defense-chief/719905/26 "2015-05-13T19:38:41Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Chances are good he’ll never fly again. Chances are equally good that parts of him flew at the time. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2015, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kim-jong-un-does-it-again-kills-his-defense-chief/719905/27 "2015-05-13T21:16:03Z")
Six, 4-barrel, .57 cal weapons each firing 600 rounds per minute. Yup, that should do it. \*Satellite images capture North Korea executions ‘carried out with anti-aircraft guns’ Date May 1, 2015 Tokyo: Satellite images of North Korea have captured what appears to be the imminent public execution of a group of people with six anti-aircraft guns. Released by the Committee for Human Rights in North Korea and AllSource Analysis, a US-based image interpretation company, the pictures were taken on October 7, 2014, from above the Kanggon Military Training Area, some 24 kilometres north of Pyongyang. On a small-arms firing range, analysts have identified six ZPU-4 anti-aircraft guns lined up in front of a viewing area. Behind the weapons are what appear to be a line of troops or equipment, while parked nearby are a number of military trucks, a large trailer and a bus.\* > **[Satellite images capture North Korea executions 'carried out with...](https://www.smh.com.au/world/satellite-images-capture-north-korea-executions-carried-out-with-antiaircraft-guns-20150501-1mxefy.html)** > > Satellite images of North Korea have captured what appears to be the imminent public execution of a group of people with six anti-aircraft guns. _The KPVT fires the 14.5x114mm round at a cyclic rate of 600 rpm._ [http://www.weaponsystems.net/weapon.php?weapon=EE02%20-%20ZPU](http://www.weaponsystems.net/weapon.php?weapon=EE02%20-%20ZPU) \*The 14.5×114 mm (.57 Cal) is a heavy machine gun and anti-materiel rifle cartridge used by the Soviet Union, the former Warsaw Pact, modern Russia, and other countries. It was originally developed for the PTRS and PTRD anti-tank rifles, but was later used as the basis for the KPV heavy machine gun that formed the basis of the ZPU series anti-aircraft guns that is also the main armament of the BTR series of armoured personnel carriers from the BTR-60 to the BTR-80. Velocity - approx 3,300 fps Energy - approx 23,000 ft-lbs\* > **[14.5×114mm](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/14.5%C3%97114mm)** > > The 14.5×114mm (.57 calibre) is a heavy machine gun and anti-materiel rifle cartridge used by the Soviet Union, the former Warsaw Pact, modern Russia, and other countries. > It was originally developed for the PTRS and PTRD anti-tank rifles, and was later used as the basis for the KPV heavy machine gun that formed the basis of the ZPU series anti-aircraft guns that is also the main armament of the BTR series of armoured personnel carriers from the BTR-60 to the BTR-80 and for heavy anti-materiel... ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2015, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kim-jong-un-does-it-again-kills-his-defense-chief/719905/28 "2015-05-13T21:30:50Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > I hesitate to ask, but what would happen to a human body after its been subjected to AAA fire. Usually, a triple-A adjuster visits the scene to access any smoke or fire damage, and arranges compensation for the AAA policy-holder. Jim Jong Un used AA guns. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2015, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kim-jong-un-does-it-again-kills-his-defense-chief/719905/29 "2015-05-13T21:40:49Z")
From the last link, their VIPs travel in buses. Like grade school kids on a field trip. ---
**Author:** ![Atomic\_Alex](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atomic_alex/32/175_2.png) [@Atomic\_Alex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atomic_Alex)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2015, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kim-jong-un-does-it-again-kills-his-defense-chief/719905/30 "2015-05-13T21:52:58Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > Usually, a triple-A adjuster visits the scene to access any smoke or fire damage, and arranges compensation for the AAA policy-holder. > > Jim Jong Un used AA guns. Anti-Aircraft-Artillery? No? I wonder were the last words of the defense minister, the same as Breaker Morant, “Shoot straight, you bastards!” 🙂 And yeah, although its kind of James-Bondish supervillainy, death by AAA wouldn’t be a bad way to go. It definitely has a certain something. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2015, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kim-jong-un-does-it-again-kills-his-defense-chief/719905/31 "2015-05-13T22:20:46Z")
> [@Disposable Hero](#): > > And yeah, although its kind of James-Bondish supervillainy, death by AAA wouldn’t be a bad way to go. It definitely has a certain something. A flair? :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![DinoR](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dinor/32/2821_2.png) [@DinoR](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DinoR)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2015, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kim-jong-un-does-it-again-kills-his-defense-chief/719905/32 "2015-05-13T22:34:47Z")
That explains the SLBM launch claim. North Korea plus saber rattling frequently means one of two things are going on - internal power struggles or it’s shaping up to be a bad food year. ---
**Author:** ![RadioWave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/91b2a8/32.png) [@RadioWave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RadioWave)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2015, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kim-jong-un-does-it-again-kills-his-defense-chief/719905/33 "2015-05-13T22:53:33Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > A flair? :dubious: No, flares only work against AA missiles. ---
**Author:** ![Alley\_Dweller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alley_dweller/32/430_2.png) [@Alley\_Dweller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alley_Dweller)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2015, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kim-jong-un-does-it-again-kills-his-defense-chief/719905/34 "2015-05-13T23:12:03Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > Usually, a triple-A adjuster visits the scene to access any smoke or fire damage, and arranges compensation for the AAA policy-holder. > > Jim Jong Un used AA guns. Guns used for a 12-step salute? ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2015, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kim-jong-un-does-it-again-kills-his-defense-chief/719905/35 "2015-05-13T23:41:39Z")
> [@Disposable Hero](#): > > Anti-Aircraft-Artillery? No? > > I wonder were the last words of the defense minister, the same as Breaker Morant, “Shoot straight, you bastards!” 🙂 > > And yeah, although its kind of James-Bondish supervillainy, death by AAA wouldn’t be a bad way to go. It definitely has a certain something. In the real world, AA, AAA, triple A, and ack-ack are all acceptable. However, the six ZPU-4 are considered anti-aircraft (AA) guns. ---
**Author:** ![MEBuckner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mebuckner/32/2896_2.png) [@MEBuckner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MEBuckner)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2015, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kim-jong-un-does-it-again-kills-his-defense-chief/719905/36 "2015-05-13T23:51:29Z")
_Oops, I did it again I blew you apart Got lost in the game_ ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2015, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kim-jong-un-does-it-again-kills-his-defense-chief/719905/37 "2015-05-14T00:30:15Z")
One of these days those troops marching by in parade are going to stop and face their leader in a 2100 gun salute. ---
**Author:** ![Tim\_T-Bonham.net](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/46a35a/32.png) [@Tim\_T-Bonham.net](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tim_T-Bonham.net)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2015, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kim-jong-un-does-it-again-kills-his-defense-chief/719905/38 "2015-05-14T00:39:19Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > One of these days those troops marching by in parade are going to stop and face their leader in a 2100 gun salute. I thought I had once read that the troops marching in parade are not supplied with live ammunition at the time. And isn’t there bulletproof glass in front of his podium at those parades? ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2015, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kim-jong-un-does-it-again-kills-his-defense-chief/719905/39 "2015-05-14T00:46:19Z")
> [@t-bonham@scc.net](#): > > I thought I had once read that the troops marching in parade are not supplied with live ammunition at the time. That’s what I thought about \*The Dark Knight \*and the fake gun-salute cops trying to shoot Commissioner Gordon. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2015, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kim-jong-un-does-it-again-kills-his-defense-chief/719905/40 "2015-05-14T00:48:31Z")
The ZPU-4 is an anti-aircraft gun more or less like a souped up US M2 0.50" machine gun. IOW, it’s state of the art for WWII. To be sure, one ZPU-4 would make a right mess out of a low flying light airplane, or a former senior official chained to a stake. Much less 6 of them. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kim-jong-un-does-it-again-kills-his-defense-chief/719905.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kim-jong-un-does-it-again-kills-his-defense-chief/719905.md?page=3)