# Kim Jong Un "In Grave Condition" **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [April 21, 2020, 3:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kim-jong-un-in-grave-condition/852250 "2020-04-21T03:52:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Kimera757](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kimera757/32/3765_2.png) [@Kimera757](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimera757)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2020, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kim-jong-un-in-grave-condition/852250/81 "2020-05-01T22:18:24Z")
He’s looking pretty mobile for a coronavirus heart attack victim. Link: [Kim Jong-un appears in public, North Korean state media report - BBC News](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-52508437) This is why I avoid rumors about North Korea. ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2020, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kim-jong-un-in-grave-condition/852250/82 "2020-05-01T22:26:17Z")
A file photo accompanied that report from the BBC. North Korean state media did not provide pictures of Kim Jong-un at the opening of the Trump factory. ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2020, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kim-jong-un-in-grave-condition/852250/83 "2020-05-01T22:29:55Z")
> [@Kimera757](#): > > This is why I avoid rumors about North Korea. To be fair, the report that he was spotted in public comes from state media, with no photos or other proof, and no confirmation from any other source. I’d classify that as nothing more than a rumor as well. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2020, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kim-jong-un-in-grave-condition/852250/84 "2020-05-01T22:38:06Z")
> [@TroutMan](#): > > To be fair, the report that he was spotted in public comes from state media, with **no photos or other proof, and no confirmation from any other source.** I’d classify that as nothing more than a rumor as well. I’d take that as a confirmation he’s in a very bad way if not dead. If he was well, why _wouldn’t_ they have photos, videos, live broadcasts? ---
**Author:** ![Gray\_Ghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/c0e974/32.png) [@Gray\_Ghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gray_Ghost)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2020, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kim-jong-un-in-grave-condition/852250/85 "2020-05-01T22:54:24Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > I’d take that as a confirmation he’s in a very bad way if not dead. If he was well, why _wouldn’t_ they have photos, videos, live broadcasts? His body double doesn’t really look that much like him? Otherwise, why not break out the HD video? I’m with you; this doesn’t prove anything, except they haven’t declared a successor to Un. ---
**Author:** ![RioRico](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f04885/32.png) [@RioRico](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RioRico)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2020, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kim-jong-un-in-grave-condition/852250/86 "2020-05-01T23:15:04Z")
Advanced DPRK biotechnology is now achieving the sacred goal of cloning the Dear Respected so his supreme wisdom may deliver his people to paradise for decades to come. ---
**Author:** ![Bijou\_Drains](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bijou_drains/32/2814_2.png) [@Bijou\_Drains](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bijou_Drains)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2020, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kim-jong-un-in-grave-condition/852250/87 "2020-05-01T23:32:21Z")
South Korea clones dogs. So maybe he snuck across the border. ---
**Author:** ![Mike\_Mabes](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mike_mabes/32/1782_2.png) [@Mike\_Mabes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mike_Mabes)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2020, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kim-jong-un-in-grave-condition/852250/88 "2020-05-02T00:51:17Z")
Supreme Leader Kim Jong Un Cuts Tape For Completion Of Sunchon Phosphatic Fertilizer Factory," the Korean Central News Agency (KCNA) reported. You couldn’t write satire like this. > **[Kim Jong Un seen laughing, smiling, smoking and waving to crowds, North Korea...](https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/01/asia/kim-jong-un-public-appearance-kcna/index.html)** > > Kim Jong Un made an appearance at a May Day celebration, at which he was pictured smoking and laughing, North Korean state-run media has reported. This would be the leader's first public appearance in about three weeks after global speculation over... ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2020, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kim-jong-un-in-grave-condition/852250/89 "2020-05-02T00:55:58Z")
They did post a picture of him cutting the ribbon. I have no idea if it is real, though. ---
**Author:** ![Mike\_Mabes](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mike_mabes/32/1782_2.png) [@Mike\_Mabes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mike_Mabes)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2020, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kim-jong-un-in-grave-condition/852250/90 "2020-05-02T02:08:55Z")
Looks real enough I guess. But I saw a picture the other day of Scarlett Johansen, well I won’t say more nudge nudge, wink wink, that looked a lot more realistic. Close up. You would think the North Korean government would have the technology to put out a better fake photo, if it is fake. Which leads me to believe that maybe it is not fake, who knows? Someday very soon there will be the ability to create fake videos of anyone doing anything the creator wants them to do. It’s already being done but you can tell they are fake. What happens when you can’t? When what you see on your computer or phone can’t be distinguished from reality. But that’s another thread. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2020, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kim-jong-un-in-grave-condition/852250/91 "2020-05-02T02:12:06Z")
> [@Mike\_Mabes](#): > > **Looks real enough I guess**. But I saw a picture the other day of Scarlett Johansen, well I won’t say more nudge nudge, wink wink, that looked a lot more realistic. Close up. You would think the North Korean government would have the technology to put out a better fake photo, if it is fake. > > Which leads me to believe that maybe it is not fake, who knows? > > Someday very soon there will be the ability to create fake videos of anyone doing anything the creator wants them to do. It’s already being done but you can tell they are fake. What happens when you can’t? When what you see on your computer or phone can’t be distinguished from reality. But that’s another thread. Even if it’s real, there’s nothing to indicate when it was taken. ---
**Author:** ![Bijou\_Drains](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bijou_drains/32/2814_2.png) [@Bijou\_Drains](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bijou_Drains)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2020, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kim-jong-un-in-grave-condition/852250/92 "2020-05-14T19:42:11Z")
A few of his top aides may be sleeping with the fishes [North replaces head of spy agency, Kim Jong-un’s bodyguard: ministry](http://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20200513000766) ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2020, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kim-jong-un-in-grave-condition/852250/93 "2020-05-15T00:57:02Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > I agree that Kim Yo Jong might be tested being a female in a patriarchal society, but they could be in for a nasty surprise if they do. Jumping in here late with this, but one reason why Kim Yo-jong may have such a prominent place in her brother’s regime is because Kim Jong-un may know she’s not a threat. As long as the DPRK government won’t follow a female ruler, Jong-un can give power to Yo-jong and know she won’t try to take his place. ---
**Author:** ![PatrickLondon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/patricklondon/32/4422_2.png) [@PatrickLondon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatrickLondon)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2020, 4:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kim-jong-un-in-grave-condition/852250/94 "2020-05-15T04:50:40Z")
> [@Bijou\_Drains](#): > > A few of his top aides may be sleeping with the fishes > > [http://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20200513000766](http://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20200513000766) That report refers to changes made months ago, and doesn’t suggest much of an internal battle. ---
**Author:** ![Bijou\_Drains](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bijou_drains/32/2814_2.png) [@Bijou\_Drains](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bijou_Drains)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2020, 12:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kim-jong-un-in-grave-condition/852250/95 "2020-05-16T12:01:22Z")
they took down big pictures of him and his father ---
**Author:** ![Fiendish\_Astronaut](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiendish_astronaut/32/3295_2.png) [@Fiendish\_Astronaut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiendish_Astronaut)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2020, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kim-jong-un-in-grave-condition/852250/96 "2020-05-25T15:12:58Z")
He cut a ribbon at the start of May and disappeared for three weeks. He returned to the public eye yesterday to preside over a meeting of the Central Military Commission and as my N. Korea analyst friend pointed out he ‘looked like he’d been in a sauna for an hour fully clothed.’ > **[Kim reappears promoting nuke deterrence](https://asiatimes.com/2020/05/kim-reappears-promoting-nuke-deterrence/)** > > Following about three weeks with no mentions of public appearances – and at a time when speculation about his possible illness or death has resumed – North Korea’s official Korean Central New… ---
**Author:** ![Dandan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a87d85/32.png) [@Dandan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dandan)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2020, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kim-jong-un-in-grave-condition/852250/97 "2020-06-10T21:59:19Z")
Forgive me, but I’m gonna boot this thing back to life: have there been any credible sightings by actual nonaligned journalists or diplomats? Dan [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kim-jong-un-in-grave-condition/852250.md?page=4)