# Kim Jung-un in very serious condition **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [April 21, 2020, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kim-jung-un-in-very-serious-condition/852241 "2020-04-21T02:29:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2020, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kim-jung-un-in-very-serious-condition/852241/41 "2020-04-24T02:46:49Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > Yep, but if your choices are 1) surgery without anesthesia, 2) surgery with anesthesia, or 3) let the health condition (whatever it is) worsen until it kills you, you’ll take your chances with Door 2#. If your sister holds a gun to the head of the surgeon during the procedure, things will turn out well. ---
**Author:** ![dogbutler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dogbutler/32/428_2.png) [@dogbutler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dogbutler)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2020, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kim-jung-un-in-very-serious-condition/852241/42 "2020-04-24T02:51:54Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > If your sister holds a gun to the head of the surgeon during the procedure, things will turn out well. “He burned my Barbie in 2nd Grade. Nick an artery or something” ---
**Author:** ![Baker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bb73d2/32.png) [@Baker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baker)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2020, 3:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kim-jung-un-in-very-serious-condition/852241/43 "2020-04-24T03:26:29Z")
I hadn’t heard the Dear Leader had a sister, so I went looking for info. > **[If Kim Jong Un Dies, His Younger Sister Is Primed to Take Over](https://www.thedailybeast.com/if-kim-jong-un-dies-his-baby-sister-is-primed-to-take-over)** > > She’s been the rising political star in a dynasty where other would-be heirs to the Kim dynasty wound up dead. If she smiled she would be pretty, but dang, for one so young she looks awfully hard. The three Kims in a row all have miraculous stories attached to their birth, I wonder if she’s got something prepped and ready to go. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2020, 4:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kim-jung-un-in-very-serious-condition/852241/44 "2020-04-24T04:38:47Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > Wasn’t there a poster here who thought that _Kim Jung-Il"_ meant _“Kim Jung the 2nd”_? And the leader of China is Eleven Jinping. ---
**Author:** ![RioRico](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f04885/32.png) [@RioRico](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RioRico)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2020, 7:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kim-jung-un-in-very-serious-condition/852241/45 "2020-04-24T07:12:44Z")
> [@thorny\_locust](#): > > Might be somebody with the ambition and cunning to stay alive. Kaiser Wilhelm II (yes, the second), British Empress Victoria’s eldest grandchild, had a brother, [Prince Henry](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_Henry_of_Prussia_(1862%E2%80%931929)), who very carefully focused on his naval career, and later motorcars - he reportedly invented a windshield wiper and the car horn - and established a racing formula, predecessor of the Grand Prix. Politics were not his game. He knew his limits. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2020, 1:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kim-jung-un-in-very-serious-condition/852241/46 "2020-04-24T13:51:43Z")
The world would probably have been a better place if Wilhelm had had the same self-awareness. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2020, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kim-jung-un-in-very-serious-condition/852241/47 "2020-04-24T14:18:54Z")
> [@dogbutler](#): > > “He burned my Barbie in 2nd Grade. Nick an artery or something” :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Roderick\_Femm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/roderick_femm/32/14875_2.png) [@Roderick\_Femm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Roderick_Femm)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2020, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kim-jung-un-in-very-serious-condition/852241/48 "2020-04-24T16:34:16Z")
> [@Baker](#): > > I hadn’t heard the Dear Leader had a sister, so I went looking for info. > > [If Kim Jong Un Dies, His Younger Sister Is Primed to Take Over](https://www.thedailybeast.com/if-kim-jong-un-dies-his-baby-sister-is-primed-to-take-over) > > **If she smiled she would be pretty** , but dang, for one so young she looks awfully hard. > > The three Kims in a row all have miraculous stories attached to their birth, I wonder if she’s got something prepped and ready to go. (emphasis added) That’s right, if she’s going to survive and maybe rule with an iron boot in one of the most repressive dictatorships anywhere ever, why can’t she at least be PRETTY? ---
**Author:** ![Baker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bb73d2/32.png) [@Baker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baker)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2020, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kim-jung-un-in-very-serious-condition/852241/49 "2020-04-24T17:48:42Z")
> [@Roderick\_Femm](#): > > (emphasis added) That’s right, if she’s going to survive and maybe rule with an iron boot in one of the most repressive dictatorships anywhere ever, why can’t she at least be PRETTY? I don’t understand your response. Could you explain it please? ---
**Author:** ![CookingWithGas](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cookingwithgas/32/485_2.png) [@CookingWithGas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CookingWithGas)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2020, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kim-jung-un-in-very-serious-condition/852241/50 "2020-04-24T18:00:59Z")
> [@Baker](#): > > I don’t understand your response. Could you explain it please? It was a sarcastic response to **Baker** who raised the question of how pretty she is, which is a total \*non sequitur \*when discussing who will take over from a series of cruel dictators in a country with repression of legendary proportions. My opinion, of course. I do not speak for **Roderick Femm**. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2020, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kim-jung-un-in-very-serious-condition/852241/51 "2020-04-24T18:08:18Z")
> [@Baker](#): > > I don’t understand your response. Could you explain it please? Evil queens are frequently beautiful in the movies and comic books. ---
**Author:** ![TreacherousCretin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/treacherouscretin/32/476_2.png) [@TreacherousCretin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TreacherousCretin)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2020, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kim-jung-un-in-very-serious-condition/852241/52 "2020-04-24T18:28:22Z")
> [@california\_jobcase](#): > > I remember it being used as an example of the way sans serif fonts suck when a capital I precedes one or more lower-case Ls. Also, I seem to remember George W made that mistake and called him Kim Jung the 2nd. Going farther back, the joke (Robin Williams?) was Dan Quayle wearing a Macolm X hat, thinking it said “Malcom the 10th.” ---
**Author:** ![Baker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bb73d2/32.png) [@Baker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baker)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2020, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kim-jung-un-in-very-serious-condition/852241/53 "2020-04-24T18:31:52Z")
For goodness sake, I was simply commenting on my opinion of her looks. Yes, they are irrelevant to her abilities or potential. It’s just I’d never seen a picture of her before. I would hope, kind of knowing me, that you all don’t think I was being sexist or bigoted. ---
**Author:** ![TruCelt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/trucelt/32/523_2.png) [@TruCelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TruCelt)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2020, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kim-jung-un-in-very-serious-condition/852241/54 "2020-04-24T18:37:07Z")
I think the rather cogent point (if you look at the photo he linked) was how very hard she she looks. It’s not mere facial structure, but seems to be very much a matter of her character shining through onto her face. And I’m usually the first to complain about women being judged by their looks. No, she looks mean as a snake. ---
**Author:** ![TruCelt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/trucelt/32/523_2.png) [@TruCelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TruCelt)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2020, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kim-jung-un-in-very-serious-condition/852241/55 "2020-04-24T19:00:53Z")
I think the rather cogent point (if you look at the photo he linked) was how very hard she she looks. It’s not mere facial structure, but seems to be very much a matter of her character shining through onto her face. And I’m usually the first to complain about women being judged by their looks. No, she looks mean as a snake. ---
**Author:** ![Doug\_K](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b5ac83/32.png) [@Doug\_K](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Doug_K)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2020, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kim-jung-un-in-very-serious-condition/852241/56 "2020-04-24T19:23:38Z")
> [@TruCelt](#): > > I think the rather cogent point (if you look at the photo he linked) was how very hard she she looks. It’s not mere facial structure, but seems to be very much a matter of her character shining through onto her face. > > And I’m usually the first to complain about women being judged by their looks. No, she looks mean as a snake. In that photo. It’s very easy (and common) for someone to search through a boatload of photos and cherry pick ones that best fits a particular image. [https://www.theafricareport.com/media/2020/04/Webp.net-resizeimage-87.jpg](https://www.theafricareport.com/media/2020/04/Webp.net-resizeimage-87.jpg) [![](https://s.abcnews.com/images/International/ap-kim-yo-jong-mo-20180222_16x9_992.jpg) ](https://s.abcnews.com/images/International/ap-kim-yo-jong-mo-20180222_16x9_992.jpg) [![](https://www.nknews.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/Kim-Yo-Jong-935x500.jpg) ](https://www.nknews.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/Kim-Yo-Jong-935x500.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2020, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kim-jung-un-in-very-serious-condition/852241/57 "2020-04-24T19:25:01Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > Wasn’t there a poster here who thought that _Kim Jung-Il"_ meant _“Kim Jung the 2nd”_? > [@california\_jobcase](#): > > I remember it being used as an example of the way sans serif fonts suck when a capital I precedes one or more lower-case Ls. Also, I seem to remember George W made that mistake and called him Kim Jung the 2nd. I don’t know about a poster here or George W. Bush, but I was a witness to U.S. Sen. J. Strom Thurmond’s reading from a script at a hearing and reading “Kim Jong Il” as “Kim Jong the Second.” He apparently didn’t realize his error and no one corrected him. This would have been some time from 2000 to 2002. He retired in Jan. 2003 and died a few months later. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2020, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kim-jung-un-in-very-serious-condition/852241/58 "2020-04-24T19:37:58Z")
> [@TruCelt](#): > > I think the rather cogent point (if you look at the photo he linked) was how very hard she she looks. It’s not mere facial structure, but seems to be very much a matter of her character shining through onto her face. > > And I’m usually the first to complain about women being judged by their looks. No, she looks mean as a snake. That’s all you. Nearly anybody can be caught with an expression like that in a photograph. ---
**Author:** ![Baker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bb73d2/32.png) [@Baker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baker)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2020, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kim-jung-un-in-very-serious-condition/852241/59 "2020-04-24T20:18:51Z")
> [@TruCelt](#): > > I think the rather cogent point (if you look at the photo **he** linked) was how very hard she she looks. It’s not mere facial structure, but seems to be very much a matter of her character shining through onto her face. > > And I’m usually the first to complain about women being judged by their looks. No, she looks mean as a snake. Bolding mine. I’m female!!!:D:p ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2020, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kim-jung-un-in-very-serious-condition/852241/60 "2020-04-24T20:27:15Z")
**Baker** I think it was the phrasing. You’ve undoubtedly run across frequent requests to see a smile, being told to smile, and so on. “Pretty if she would smile” is another frequent variant on that. For some people it’s a sore spot (including me, to be honest). Your point that she comes across as hard may be valid. I saw sadness in that picture, but it’s all subject and impossible to know. Now, back to Kim Jong Un - any news? Has he been seen? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kim-jung-un-in-very-serious-condition/852241.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kim-jung-un-in-very-serious-condition/852241.md?page=4)