# Kirk "Bananas" Cameron does it again
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-bananas-cameron-does-it-again/704717
**Category:** Cafe Society
**Created:** [November 15, 2014, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-bananas-cameron-does-it-again/704717 "2014-11-15T19:01:33Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)
#### Post date: [November 15, 2014, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-bananas-cameron-does-it-again/704717/1 "2014-11-15T19:01:33Z")
His newest modestly-titled masterpiece, [_Kirk Cameron’s Saving Christmas_](https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/kirk_camerons_saving_christmas/?search=Saving%20Christmas), is a docufarce in he which inaccurately describes to his born-again brother-in-law Christian White(subtle, ain’t he?) who wants to clean up Christmas from all that commercialism, Santa Claus stuff and all those other Christmas traditions that pagans and others are claiming as their own, were actually _Christian_ traditions all along-even Santa Claus and the commercialism! This movie started on Friday, but not near me. I’d be willing to pay for the cost of a matinee seat if someone would want to give it a shot.
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### Author:  [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)
#### Post date: [November 15, 2014, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-bananas-cameron-does-it-again/704717/2 "2014-11-15T20:27:21Z")
OK, I’d love to see the what-passes-for-logic behind that one.
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### Author:  [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)
#### Post date: [November 15, 2014, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-bananas-cameron-does-it-again/704717/3 "2014-11-15T20:28:47Z")
What? No one wants to watch Kirk explain how the immense pile of Christmas presents under the Christmas tree isn’t excessive at all, but represents the skyline of New Jerusalem?
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### Author:  [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)
#### Post date: [November 15, 2014, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-bananas-cameron-does-it-again/704717/4 "2014-11-15T20:35:47Z")
I can’t remember what the term for it is but a lot of those Mega church preachers preach that Jesus was actually pro materialism and it is your Christian duty to take as much as you can. There’s a name for this this school of thought but I can’t remember what it was and Google was no help but basically it is just thieving, selfish assholes justifying their world view with religion.
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### Author:  [@MrAtoz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrAtoz)
#### Post date: [November 15, 2014, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-bananas-cameron-does-it-again/704717/5 "2014-11-15T20:45:11Z")
[Prosperity theology](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prosperity_theology), also known as Prosperity Gospel, most likely.
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### Author:  [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)
#### Post date: [November 15, 2014, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-bananas-cameron-does-it-again/704717/6 "2014-11-15T20:56:42Z")
> [@MrAtoz](#):
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> [Prosperity theology](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prosperity_theology), also known as Prosperity Gospel, most likely.
But Kirk goes much farther that Prosperity Theology in this film. He actually denies that the Christmas tree has any pagan roots at all(there were trees in the Garden of Eden, and Christ was hung on a cross of wood, y’know), and that having Christmas in December is totally a Christian thing that has no influence _whatsoever_ from any other religion.
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### Author:  [@Jim\_s\_Son](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jim_s_Son)
#### Post date: [November 15, 2014, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-bananas-cameron-does-it-again/704717/7 "2014-11-15T21:06:01Z")
Bravo for Kirk Cameron! Nice to see someone stand up for decency and intelligence. As opposed to the atheistic fascists at the Colorado Springs high school who don’t want Christian teenagers meeting in free time to pray and sing hymns. Or the lesbian mayor in Houston who tried to subpoena pastors sermons. Because the First amendment doesn’t apply to anyone who thinks differently.
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### Author:  [@MrAtoz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrAtoz)
#### Post date: [November 15, 2014, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-bananas-cameron-does-it-again/704717/8 "2014-11-15T21:09:45Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#):
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> But Kirk goes much farther that Prosperity Theology in this film. He actually denies that the Christmas tree has any pagan roots at all(there were trees in the Garden of Eden, and Christ was hung on a cross of wood, y’know), and that having Christmas in December is totally a Christian thing that has no influence _whatsoever_ from any other religion.
I don’t doubt that he does. I was just offering that in answer to **Quimby** ’s question about the name of the movement preached by Joel Osteen and other guys like him. Sorry if that wasn’t clear.
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### Author:  [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)
#### Post date: [November 15, 2014, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-bananas-cameron-does-it-again/704717/9 "2014-11-15T21:10:17Z")
> [@Jim\_s\_Son](#):
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> Bravo for Kirk Cameron! Nice to see someone stand up for decency and intelligence. As opposed to the atheistic fascists at the Colorado Springs high school who don’t want Christian teenagers meeting in free time to pray and sing hymns. Or the lesbian mayor in Houston who tried to subpoena pastors sermons. Because the First amendment doesn’t apply to anyone who thinks differently.
Who here is attacking his First Amendment rights? Care to comment on the film and it’s contents?
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### Author:  [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)
#### Post date: [November 15, 2014, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-bananas-cameron-does-it-again/704717/10 "2014-11-15T21:11:18Z")
> [@MrAtoz](#):
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> I don’t doubt that he does. I was just offering that in answer to **Quimby** ’s question about the name of the movement preached by Joel Osteen and other guys like him. Sorry if that wasn’t clear.
Is clear-Thanks.
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### Author:  [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)
#### Post date: [November 15, 2014, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-bananas-cameron-does-it-again/704717/11 "2014-11-15T21:11:36Z")
Christian White?
Please tell me that’s a joke.
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### Author:  [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)
#### Post date: [November 15, 2014, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-bananas-cameron-does-it-again/704717/12 "2014-11-15T21:13:31Z")
> [@EllisDee](#):
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> Christian White?
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> Please tell me that’s a joke.
The last time Kirk Cameron told a joke it was written in the script for him…and he didn’t get it.
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### Author:  [@Amateur\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Amateur_Barbarian)
#### Post date: [November 15, 2014, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-bananas-cameron-does-it-again/704717/13 "2014-11-15T22:02:59Z")
The first amendment allows anyone to stand up and spout pretty much any nonsense they like. Case in point: _Kirk Cameron’s Saving Christmas_. Me, I stand up in crowded theaters and shout, “Fluffy Pink Armadillos!” It’s my right!
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### Author:  [@Thudlow\_Boink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thudlow_Boink)
#### Post date: [November 15, 2014, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-bananas-cameron-does-it-again/704717/14 "2014-11-15T22:13:07Z")
Wait—I thought Ernest saved Christmas.
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### Author:  [@woodstockbirdybird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/woodstockbirdybird)
#### Post date: [November 15, 2014, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-bananas-cameron-does-it-again/704717/15 "2014-11-15T23:16:07Z")
> [@Jim\_s\_Son](#):
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> Bravo for Kirk Cameron! Nice to see someone stand up for decency and intelligence.
This has got to be the first time in the history of the multiverse these two sentences have been uttered in this sequence. Who says there’s nothing new under the sun?
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### Author:  [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)
#### Post date: [November 16, 2014, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-bananas-cameron-does-it-again/704717/16 "2014-11-16T00:16:31Z")
> [@MrAtoz](#):
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> [Prosperity theology](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prosperity_theology), also known as Prosperity Gospel, most likely.
That was it. Thanks!
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### Author:  [@HelenGawn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HelenGawn)
#### Post date: [November 16, 2014, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-bananas-cameron-does-it-again/704717/17 "2014-11-16T00:18:52Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#):
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> What? No one wants to watch Kirk explain how the immense pile of Christmas presents under the Christmas tree isn’t excessive at all, but represents the skyline of New Jerusalem?
Don’t be absurd. Of course it’s the Bethlehem skyline. That’s why boxes are boxy.
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### Author:  [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)
#### Post date: [November 16, 2014, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-bananas-cameron-does-it-again/704717/18 "2014-11-16T00:43:57Z")
> [@Thudlow\_Boink](#):
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> Wait—I thought Ernest saved Christmas.
No, I’m pretty sure that was Tim Allen. Or maybe Will Farrell. Or Vince Vaughn.
You have to start wondering why Christmas keeps getting in trouble like this.
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### Author:  [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)
#### Post date: [November 16, 2014, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-bananas-cameron-does-it-again/704717/19 "2014-11-16T00:55:13Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#):
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> You have to start wondering why Christmas keeps getting in trouble like this.
Christmas must have sinned and needs to accept Jesus.
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### Author:  [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)
#### Post date: [November 16, 2014, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-bananas-cameron-does-it-again/704717/20 "2014-11-16T01:13:16Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#):
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> Or maybe Will Farrell.
Can’t be, no one who sang such overtly sexual songs such as _Get Lucky_ could be a _true_ Christian!
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