# Kirk Cameron - Anti-Evolutionary Biologist **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 27, 2005, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-cameron-anti-evolutionary-biologist/328167 "2005-10-27T16:08:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2005, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-cameron-anti-evolutionary-biologist/328167/41 "2005-10-27T20:54:01Z")
> [@tdn](#): > > I’m just going from memory here, but the gist is that they’re the perfect food. They come in their own wrappers, they’re the perfect size to fit in your hand, and they are even curved towards your mouth. How can something so perfect be an accident? It had to be designed by God. > > Yeah. Batshit insane. You know, there’s something else in nature that has all those attributes. Given that, I can certainly get behind the whole “There is a God and this proves it” thing. Especially when I happen to find a truly delectable one that belongs to someone who’ll let me…er…enjoy it. I doubt these folks are thinking in that direction, though… ---
**Author:** ![betenoir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/258eb7/32.png) [@betenoir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/betenoir)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2005, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-cameron-anti-evolutionary-biologist/328167/42 "2005-10-27T21:00:53Z")
> [@tdn](#): > > I’m just going from memory here, but the gist is that they’re the perfect food. They come in their own wrappers, they’re the perfect size to fit in your hand, and they are even curved towards your mouth. How can something so perfect be an accident? It had to be designed by God. 😕 Wait. Isn’t that an argument for blow jobs? ---
**Author:** ![tdn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/94ad74/32.png) [@tdn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tdn)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2005, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-cameron-anti-evolutionary-biologist/328167/43 "2005-10-27T21:03:32Z")
> [@betenoir](#): > > 😕 Wait. Isn’t that an argument for blow jobs? Yeah, but don’t ever try to use it as a line to pick up a nun. Trust me. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Lance\_Murdoch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/47e85d/32.png) [@Captain\_Lance\_Murdoch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Lance_Murdoch)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2005, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-cameron-anti-evolutionary-biologist/328167/44 "2005-10-27T21:07:44Z")
It’s been very little growth and one hell of a lot of pain for Kirk since his weekly meal ticket went away. ---
**Author:** ![wolf\_meister](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolf_meister/32/15202_2.png) [@wolf\_meister](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolf_meister)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2005, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-cameron-anti-evolutionary-biologist/328167/45 "2005-10-27T21:11:00Z")
Geez this topic is wide open for criticism. The banana is the perfect food? Okay fine. So something such as a pineapple is a less than perfect food? (Difficult to hold and its wrapping is a bit much to peel.) So, did God™ need several tries at food creation before getting it right? What about the nutritional benefits of bananas? Could one survive on a “banana only” diet? (Hey, it’s the perfect food according to noted biologist Kirk Cameron, PhD from Ronco University). ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2005, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-cameron-anti-evolutionary-biologist/328167/46 "2005-10-27T21:15:20Z")
> [@betenoir](#): > > 😕 Wait. Isn’t that an argument for blow jobs? \_whispers_ I have a quicker, dirtier mind than you…\ ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2005, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-cameron-anti-evolutionary-biologist/328167/47 "2005-10-27T21:15:33Z")
> [@wolf\_meister](#): > > Geez this topic is wide open for criticism. > The banana is the perfect food? Okay fine. So something such as a pineapple is a less than perfect food? (Difficult to hold and its wrapping is a bit much to peel.) So, did God™ need several tries at food creation before getting it right? What about the nutritional benefits of bananas? Could one survive on a “banana only” diet? (Hey, it’s the perfect food according to noted biologist Kirk Cameron, PhD from Ronco University). Obviously, the pineapple is the Devil’s fruit. Just ask Hitler. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2005, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-cameron-anti-evolutionary-biologist/328167/48 "2005-10-27T21:18:12Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > \_whispers_ I have a quicker, dirtier mind than you…\ :smack: Your coding, on the other hand, smacks mine out of the park. _sigh_ ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2005, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-cameron-anti-evolutionary-biologist/328167/49 "2005-10-27T21:25:27Z")
> [@betenoir](#): > > 😕 Wait. Isn’t that an argument for blow jobs? Too long to be a band name, but I think this should be the hip new non-sequitur catchphrase of the week. Stranger ---
**Author:** ![mkl12](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b4bc9f/32.png) [@mkl12](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mkl12)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2005, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-cameron-anti-evolutionary-biologist/328167/50 "2005-10-27T21:28:42Z")
> [@tdn](#): > > Silly, you’re standing on the wrong side of the banana! Thank you! I couldn’t stop laughing for minutes after reading that. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Anastasaeon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/73ab20/32.png) [@Anastasaeon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anastasaeon)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2005, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-cameron-anti-evolutionary-biologist/328167/51 "2005-10-27T21:39:09Z")
> [@tdn](#): > > I’m just going from memory here, but the gist is that they’re the perfect food. They come in their own wrappers, they’re the perfect size to fit in your hand, and they are even curved towards your mouth. How can something so perfect be an accident? It had to be designed by God. > > Yeah. Batshit insane. No friggin’ way, Kirk. You know that little black thing at the end of the banana, the thing at the bottom you get to after having eaten all that nice, regular banana? You know, the mushy bit at the bottom with the little black dealie in it? That’s the devil’s asshole. God set you up, and _good_. ---
**Author:** ![Purd\_Werfect](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e47c2d/32.png) [@Purd\_Werfect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Purd_Werfect)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2005, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-cameron-anti-evolutionary-biologist/328167/52 "2005-10-27T21:50:21Z")
Sure it’s easy to see him as an over-the-top fundamentalist, but please temper that judgement with the knowledge that he was often in proximity to that darkest of dark diabolical minion that is the eldritch soul known on this plane of existence as Alan Thicke. He no doubt went nuts in the name of the Lord as a last ditch attempt to save himself from such a hellish being. ---
**Author:** ![betenoir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/258eb7/32.png) [@betenoir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/betenoir)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2005, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-cameron-anti-evolutionary-biologist/328167/53 "2005-10-27T21:54:33Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > \_whispers_ I have a quicker, dirtier mind than you…\ Quicker? I grant you that. Dirtier? That you’ll have to fight me for (head to head). Subtler? Absolutlely. But then it’s my lack of subtly that has made me catchphrase of the week 😛 ---
**Author:** ![BigDummy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ee59a6/32.png) [@BigDummy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigDummy)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2005, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-cameron-anti-evolutionary-biologist/328167/54 "2005-10-27T22:11:28Z")
I almost feel a little dumber for having watched that. Another 10,000 or times and I might be completely brain dead. 100 more after that and I’ll be right there with Kirk. I especially liked the part about not staying in the intellect, going to the heart. Like a surgeon. I’d much rather my surgeon do what he felt in his heart was right, rather than actually, say, knowing what he’s doing. ---
**Author:** ![Battle\_Pope](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4bbf92/32.png) [@Battle\_Pope](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Battle_Pope)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2005, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-cameron-anti-evolutionary-biologist/328167/55 "2005-10-27T22:17:24Z")
> [@tdn](#): > > I’m just going from memory here, but the gist is that they’re the perfect food. They come in their own wrappers, they’re the perfect size to fit in your hand, and they are even curved towards your mouth. How can something so perfect be an accident? It had to be designed by God. > > Yeah. Batshit insane. [Lady Whiteadder] We take our turnip raw, as God intended![/LW] Wans’t this the guy that played second banana (heh) to Scott Bao in _Charles in Charge_? ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Rieux](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@Dr.Rieux](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Rieux)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2005, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-cameron-anti-evolutionary-biologist/328167/56 "2005-10-27T22:24:32Z")
No, that was Willie “Bible Man” Aames. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2005, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-cameron-anti-evolutionary-biologist/328167/57 "2005-10-27T22:50:41Z")
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**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2005, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-cameron-anti-evolutionary-biologist/328167/58 "2005-10-27T23:07:25Z")
I’m going through a bit of a rough patch with (the louder elements of)creationism right now; Once upon a time I was mired in it myself. Lately, I’ve been trying to debate a number of creationists on other boards (which I won’t name), but frustration has not got the better of me and I’ve had to make myself walk away from it all; I’m now convinced that the vociferous proponents of creationism are not just subscribing to a quaint alternative worldview, but are in fact suffering some form of mental illness; it’s like this: One guy likes to say “there’s not a shred of evidence for evolution” - this is a claim I’m very confident is untrue, so I ask him if he’d like to discuss one particular line of evidence. I choose Endogenous Retroviral insertions. I spend a couple of days working on a from-scratch howstuffworks-style explanation of what retroviruses are, how they work, how we can detect them etc, He says “get to the point”, I speed up and we’re about halfway through the topic, but he alternately complains that I’m going into unnecessary detail, or not explaining myself properly; there _is no way to explain it to him_. He tries a few lame alternative explanations (“maybe gorillas and humans got infected by the same virus on the ark”) - I explain how this still wouldn’t present the pattern of evidence we see now. We’re still not much more than halfway through the topic when he exclaims that all this is interesting, but it’s only _an interpretation, and creationists just interpret it differently_ - although he can’t actually come up with an interpretation that fits both the facts and creationism. In the end, he gives up and says that all this is a distraction from the Bible anyway and some questions are not meant to be asked. So I’ve tried to show him some of the evidence, but I know that in less than a week, he’ll be back to claiming “there’s not a shred of evidence for evolution”. These people do not live in the real world; there’s no way to even _start_ explaining anything to them without them starting to yammer on about bananas and other nonsense. It’s enough to make you eat your own head just so you don’t have to listen to the insane fuckers. I had to walk away. ---
**Author:** ![beckwall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b487fb/32.png) [@beckwall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/beckwall)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2005, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-cameron-anti-evolutionary-biologist/328167/59 "2005-10-27T23:31:23Z")
> [@iamthewalrus(:3=](#): > > This is awesome. I remember watching some creationist idiocy that tried to make the claim that abiogenesis couldn’t have occurred. After all, the packaged food industry _depends_ on life not spontaneously generating in, say, a jar of peanut butter. > > Sophistry, brought to you by Southwest\* and Jif: Choosy evolutionary biologists choose Jif. > > \*Actually, by the argument above, would that mean that fat people are each actually _two_ people? You are my hero. I love you. (did anyone else hear me say that out loud)? ---
**Author:** ![Battle\_Pope](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4bbf92/32.png) [@Battle\_Pope](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Battle_Pope)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2005, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-cameron-anti-evolutionary-biologist/328167/60 "2005-10-28T02:15:30Z")
> [@Dr. Rieux](#): > > No, that was Willie “Bible Man” Aames. Wait, there’s _another_ ex-80’s-sit-com-actor-has-been-fundamentalist-religious-wacko. Who knew you’d have to start keeping count? :eek: [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-cameron-anti-evolutionary-biologist/328167.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-cameron-anti-evolutionary-biologist/328167.md?page=4)