# Kirk Cameron: Coffee Flogger
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-cameron-coffee-flogger/706487
**Category:** Cafe Society
**Tags:** coffee
**Created:** [December 6, 2014, 8:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-cameron-coffee-flogger/706487 "2014-12-06T08:09:49Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
**Page:** 1
### Author:  [@pythonzzz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pythonzzz)
#### Post date: [December 6, 2014, 8:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-cameron-coffee-flogger/706487/1 "2014-12-06T08:09:49Z")
[http://www.kirkscoffee.com/coffee/saving-christmas-blend](http://www.kirkscoffee.com/coffee/saving-christmas-blend)
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> So behold, the limited edition Saving Christmas Blend from your friend, Kirk Cameron. Whether you’re staying up late to wrap presents or waking up early to open them, singing carols to your neighbors on a cold winter night or trading stories with your family by the firelight, we guarantee our Saving Christmas Blend will fit right in.
As for his “Saving Christmas” movie that these beans are advertizing… it’s a stinker: [http://www.orlandosentinel.com/features/the-list/os-saving-christmas-worst-movie-imdb-history-post.html](http://www.orlandosentinel.com/features/the-list/os-saving-christmas-worst-movie-imdb-history-post.html)
[RottenTomatoes.com](http://RottenTomatoes.com) has an entertaining list of reviews. 🆒
Don’t quit yer day job, Kirk.
…oh, wait… :rolleyes:
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### Author:  [@NDP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NDP)
#### Post date: [December 6, 2014, 8:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-cameron-coffee-flogger/706487/2 "2014-12-06T08:25:12Z")
> [@pythonzzz](#):
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> [http://www.kirkscoffee.com/coffee/saving-christmas-blend](http://www.kirkscoffee.com/coffee/saving-christmas-blend)
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> As for his “Saving Christmas” movie that these beans are advertizing… it’s a stinker: [http://www.orlandosentinel.com/features/the-list/os-saving-christmas-worst-movie-imdb-history-post.html](http://www.orlandosentinel.com/features/the-list/os-saving-christmas-worst-movie-imdb-history-post.html)
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> [RottenTomatoes.com](http://RottenTomatoes.com) has an entertaining list of reviews. 🆒
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> Don’t quit yer day job, Kirk.
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> …oh, wait… :rolleyes:
You’re didn’t answer the real question: how good is the _coffee_?
Actually, when I saw the ad, I was expecting the coffee would be decaf but it seems to be regular full-powered joe. Perhaps maybe that’s where his future lies.
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### Author:  [@Simplicio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Simplicio)
#### Post date: [December 6, 2014, 8:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-cameron-coffee-flogger/706487/3 "2014-12-06T08:36:53Z")
What’s with Cameron’s head? It’s sort of like he has a receding hairline, except instead of his forehead growing up towards the top of his head displacing his hair, its like its growing down and squeezing his facial features down into the bottom of his face.
The headshot for the coffee logo seems bizarrely chosen to renforce this impression.
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### Author:  [@pythonzzz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pythonzzz)
#### Post date: [December 6, 2014, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-cameron-coffee-flogger/706487/4 "2014-12-06T22:26:08Z")
> [@NDP](#):
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> You’re didn’t answer the real question: how good is the _coffee_?
Dunno - maybe after a sip you’ll do a spit-take and choke out “Jesus Christ, that’s shitty coffee!” :eek:
From another message board:
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> Because if there’s one thing that says “Saving traditional American Christmas” it’s a blend of coffee from East Africa and Indonesia.
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> Nineteen dollars a farking pound? Does Jesus brew the farking coffee for you?
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> No, have you heard of the civet? It’s like that, but Kirk is the civet.
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### Author:  [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)
#### Post date: [December 6, 2014, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-cameron-coffee-flogger/706487/5 "2014-12-06T23:55:39Z")
The movie just hit #1…in the IMDB bottom 100 movies of all time.
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### Author:  [@don\_t\_ask](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/don_t_ask)
#### Post date: [December 7, 2014, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-cameron-coffee-flogger/706487/6 "2014-12-07T00:41:31Z")
I have no idea who Kirk Cameron is and don’t know any project he has ever been involved in. I am perfectly happy to remain this ill informed and will thus never return to this thread.
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### Author:  [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)
#### Post date: [December 7, 2014, 8:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-cameron-coffee-flogger/706487/7 "2014-12-07T08:16:07Z")
I miss Andrew Koenig.
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### Author:  [@Ranger\_Jeff](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ranger_Jeff)
#### Post date: [December 7, 2014, 8:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-cameron-coffee-flogger/706487/8 "2014-12-07T08:41:40Z")
> [@foolsguinea](#):
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> I miss Andrew Koenig.
“Boner” Stabone. One of the funniest conversations on that show went like this:
Mike: Your real name is “Sylvester Stabone”?
Boner: Who knew?
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### Author:  [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)
#### Post date: [December 7, 2014, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-cameron-coffee-flogger/706487/9 "2014-12-07T19:32:33Z")
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> And by savoring Saving Christmas, you’re also making a statement to the world: there is no Christmas without Christ.
Dude, no. Just…no. I hope the profit is going to some kind of charity or something, not to a business and its owners. That’s weird, dude.
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### Author:  [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)
#### Post date: [December 8, 2014, 8:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-cameron-coffee-flogger/706487/10 "2014-12-08T08:37:06Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#):
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> Dude, no. Just…no. I hope the profit is going to some kind of charity or something, not to a business and its owners. That’s weird, dude.
I haven’t seen the movie, but I’ve watched vlog reviews, and it seems that a significant part of Cameron’s messages is that everything about Christmas, including the commercialization, is 100% Christian with no external influence at all.
For materialism, he says that we give material gifts to represent Christ having a material body.
So I wouldn’t put it past him to think capitalism is what Christmas is all about.
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### Author:  [@thelurkinghorror](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thelurkinghorror)
#### Post date: [December 8, 2014, 9:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-cameron-coffee-flogger/706487/11 "2014-12-08T09:46:18Z")
At long last I can enjoy goods harvested by Borneo 8 year olds for $1/day and not have to have 5% of my purchase go to starving kids in America or some other Starbucks liberal bullshit. Kirk is bringing us the finest in intelligently-designed beans to go with my morning banana.
So Kirk told his fans to stuff the Rotten Tomatoes fan ballot, not realizing that his website isn’t private and doesn’t scan visitors for the Mark of the Beast and only let in True Christians™. His movie quickly became highly rated by fans… and then quickly ended up probably lower than he would’ve started. But God wanted him to encourage morally suspect but not illegal behavior.
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### Author:  [@astorian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astorian)
#### Post date: [December 8, 2014, 12:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-cameron-coffee-flogger/706487/12 "2014-12-08T12:02:21Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#):
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> The movie just hit #1…in the IMDB bottom 100 movies of all time.
Speaking as a Christian… I haven’t seen the movie, and am quite prepared to believe that it’s terrible.
But do you REALLY think anyone voting for it as the worst movie of all time has actually seen it? It’s not playing in many theaters. It’s hard to find and hard to see. Hence, anyone who HAS seen it has made a lot of effort to see it. That suggests only a small number of die-hard Christians have actually seen the movie. It has a self-selected audience that’s inclined to LIKE it.
Which suggests to me that the people voting it the worst movie ever are secular/atheist wiseacres who’ve never seen it.
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### Author:  [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)
#### Post date: [December 8, 2014, 12:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-cameron-coffee-flogger/706487/13 "2014-12-08T12:42:26Z")
Sure it’s like _Vote For The Worst_ used to be on American Idol.
Except this time it’s working. 😃
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### Author:  [@Simplicio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Simplicio)
#### Post date: [December 8, 2014, 12:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-cameron-coffee-flogger/706487/14 "2014-12-08T12:58:36Z")
> [@astorian](#):
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> Speaking as a Christian… I haven’t seen the movie, and am quite prepared to believe that it’s terrible.
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> But do you REALLY think anyone voting for it as the worst movie of all time has actually seen it? It’s not playing in many theaters. It’s hard to find and hard to see. Hence, anyone who HAS seen it has made a lot of effort to see it. That suggests only a small number of die-hard Christians have actually seen the movie. It has a self-selected audience that’s inclined to LIKE it.
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> Which suggests to me that the people voting it the worst movie ever are secular/atheist wiseacres who’ve never seen it.
The absolute number of reviews is pretty small (5,000 vs 10,000 for the second worst movie and 50,000 for the third). So I don’t think there’s too much of that, though I’m sure there’s some.
The written reviews on IMBD seem to have a decent number of Christians disappointed by the materialistic message (or just saying it wasn’t very good) along with people who went with their kids not knowing what they were getting into, atheists who just went to make fun of it as well as some people who probably didn’t see it and just don’t like Cameron very much, as you say.
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### Author:  [@Sam\_Lowry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Lowry)
#### Post date: [December 8, 2014, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-cameron-coffee-flogger/706487/15 "2014-12-08T17:55:15Z")
> [@Simplicio](#):
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> The absolute number of reviews is pretty small (5,000 vs 10,000 for the second worst movie and 50,000 for the third). So I don’t think there’s too much of that, though I’m sure there’s some.
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> The written reviews on IMBD seem to have a decent number of Christians disappointed by the materialistic message (or just saying it wasn’t very good) along with people who went with their kids not knowing what they were getting into, atheists who just went to make fun of it as well as some people who probably didn’t see it and just don’t like Cameron very much, as you say.
I’m sure the film would have been very low rated without the help of anyone rating it without seeing it. However, this is something Cameron posted:
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> Now the haters and atheists are coming out of the woodwork, attempting to hammer your good work (they rallied to drop your rating super low). They are attempting, once again, to ruin Saving Christmas for everyone. Look at their language, vulgarity, and spirit of hate. They can try to ruin a rating, but they can’t stop you from going with family and friends to see Saving Christmas this weekend! If people continue to turn out, the theaters will hold the movie longer. YOU have the power, just like with Rotten Tomatoes, to keep Saving Christmas in the theaters.
If he had just asked fans to see the film and rated it highly, that would be one thing. But when he accuses people of being haters and trying to ruin the film because of their spirit of hate, he’s basically asking for a backlash, and calling for people to rate his film very low.
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### Author:  [@Hampshire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hampshire)
#### Post date: [December 8, 2014, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-cameron-coffee-flogger/706487/16 "2014-12-08T20:20:00Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#):
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> I hope the profit is going to some kind of charity or something, not to a business and its owners.
Not that I could find on the website. Just charging you up the wazoo for a Christmas message and Kirk keeps all the cash.
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### Author:  [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)
#### Post date: [December 8, 2014, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-cameron-coffee-flogger/706487/17 "2014-12-08T23:05:30Z")
> [@Hampshire](#):
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> Not that I could find on the website. Just charging you up the wazoo for a Christmas message and Kirk keeps all the cash.
Yeah, surely Jesus would approve. :rolleyes:
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### Author:  [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)
#### Post date: [December 8, 2014, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-cameron-coffee-flogger/706487/18 "2014-12-08T23:14:45Z")
The worst thing about Kirk is that I think he absolutely believes his unpopularity is because he’s a Christian and not at all due to the fact he’s a narcissistic douchenozzle with the IQ of an enticingly curved banana.
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### Author:  [@interface2x](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/interface2x)
#### Post date: [December 9, 2014, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-cameron-coffee-flogger/706487/19 "2014-12-09T00:59:46Z")
[This link](http://joemygod.blogspot.com/2014/12/kirk-cameron-thanks-atheists-for-free.html) reports that Kirk Cameron’s Saving Christmas averaged just two viewers per showing this weekend.
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### Author:  [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)
#### Post date: [December 9, 2014, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-cameron-coffee-flogger/706487/20 "2014-12-09T01:03:06Z")
> [@Hampshire](#):
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> Not that I could find on the website. Just charging you up the wazoo for a Christmas message and Kirk keeps all the cash.
As a Christian, I am deeply depressed by this entire thing. He’s always been a goofball, but his whole thing is getting worse and worse.
Put this all up there with the Joel Osteen for-profit scammers, folks. It’s not real and shouldn’t be taken seriously. I don’t mind Kirk Cameron having a coffee business…but the whole “put the Christ back in Christmas” thing going with it is just creepy and odd.
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