# kirk cameron says hurricanes are because gods mad at us **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 10, 2017, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-cameron-says-hurricanes-are-because-gods-mad-at-us/795972 "2017-09-10T00:08:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2017, 4:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-cameron-says-hurricanes-are-because-gods-mad-at-us/795972/21 "2017-09-10T04:04:42Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Oh god, he reproduced? Oh fuck. No pun intended, I assume? He has a son who’s a minister, a daughter who’s a physician, and another son who is an attorney. > **[Jerry Falwell](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerry_Falwell)** > > Jerry Laymon Falwell Sr.\[a\] (August 11, 1933 – May 15, 2007) was an American Baptist pastor, televangelist, and conservative activist. He was the founding pastor of the Thomas Road Baptist Church, a megachurch in Lynchburg, Virginia. He founded Lynchburg Christian Academy (Liberty Christian Academy) in 1967, founded Liberty University in 1971, and co-founded the Moral Majority in 1979. > Falwell and his twin brother Gene were born in the Fairview Heights area of Lynchburg, Virginia, on August 11... ETA: Wiki says he was a twin. Never heard that before. ---
**Author:** ![E-DUB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/e-dub/32/403_2.png) [@E-DUB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-DUB)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2017, 4:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-cameron-says-hurricanes-are-because-gods-mad-at-us/795972/22 "2017-09-10T04:13:05Z")
It’s not surprising that Falwell was a twin. One person couldn’t _be_ that much of a douchebag. ---
**Author:** ![pool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pool/32/4152_2.png) [@pool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pool)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2017, 5:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-cameron-says-hurricanes-are-because-gods-mad-at-us/795972/23 "2017-09-10T05:31:51Z")
Speaking of dumbass celebrities Jennifer Lawrence said the hurricanes were God’s wrath over Donald Trump now granted Trump has properties in the path of the storm but I think all the illegals in Texas and Florida will suffer more from this wrath of god than Trump himself. [https://www.google.com/amp/www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/hurricane-irma-harvey-donald-trump-jennifer-lawrence-mother-nature-storms-climate-change-florida-a7937691.html%3famp](https://www.google.com/amp/www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/hurricane-irma-harvey-donald-trump-jennifer-lawrence-mother-nature-storms-climate-change-florida-a7937691.html%3famp) ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2017, 6:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-cameron-says-hurricanes-are-because-gods-mad-at-us/795972/24 "2017-09-10T06:16:18Z")
> [@nearwildheaven](#): > > He has a son who preaches. Maybe that’s who they referenced > ? :o > > I’m Christian, and IMNSHO, if KC has anything to do with it, it is to be avoided. Leave Kansas City out of this! Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G900A using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2017, 6:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-cameron-says-hurricanes-are-because-gods-mad-at-us/795972/25 "2017-09-10T06:16:46Z")
> [@RivkahChaya](#): > > Then maybe HaShem chose Texas in particular for being such a bloodthirsty state with its record on capital punishment? BTW, Florida executes a lot of people too… > > And so does Louisiana, albeit, it’s something like number six on the list. Virginia and Oklahoma really need to get hit with something. Oklahoma is getting hit with earthquakes, though they brought that on themselves. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2017, 6:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-cameron-says-hurricanes-are-because-gods-mad-at-us/795972/26 "2017-09-10T06:25:46Z")
> [@pool](#): > > Speaking of dumbass celebrities Jennifer Lawrence said the hurricanes were God’s wrath over Donald Trump now granted Trump has properties in the path of the storm but I think all the illegals in Texas and Florida will suffer more from this wrath of god than Trump himself. > > [https://www.google.com/amp/www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/hurricane-irma-harvey-donald-trump-jennifer-lawrence-mother-nature-storms-climate-change-florida-a7937691.html%3famp](https://www.google.com/amp/www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/hurricane-irma-harvey-donald-trump-jennifer-lawrence-mother-nature-storms-climate-change-florida-a7937691.html%3famp) Did you actually listen to what she said in the interview that you linked to, or just read the bullshit clickbait headline? Here’s what she _actually_ said, verbatim: > [@Jennifer Lawrence](#): > > It has been proven through science that climate change is due to human activity, and we continue to ignore it. And the only voice that we really have is through voting. And we voted, and it was really startling. You know you’re watching these hurricanes now and it’s really hard, especially while promoting this movie, not to feel mother nature’s rage, wrath. Only a moron would infer that she is claiming the election, rather than anthropogenic global warming, has triggered “mother nature’s rage”. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2017, 7:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-cameron-says-hurricanes-are-because-gods-mad-at-us/795972/27 "2017-09-10T07:12:07Z")
> [@Knowed\_Out](#): > > According to the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Research Administration, the top ten countries with the most hurricane strikes since 1970 are the following: > > [ol] > [li]China[/li][li]Philippines[/li][li]Japan[/li][li]Mexico[/li][li]United States[/li][li]Australia[/li][li]Taiwan[/li][li]Vietnam[/li][li]Madagascar[/li][li]Cuba[/li][/ol] Technically speaking, China, the Philippines, Japan, Australia and Vietnam don’t get hurricanes. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2017, 7:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-cameron-says-hurricanes-are-because-gods-mad-at-us/795972/28 "2017-09-10T07:42:38Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > Technically speaking, China, the Philippines, Japan, Australia and Vietnam don’t get hurricanes. So Irma would, were she not Irma call’d, Retain that dear perfection which she owes Without that title. ---
**Author:** ![GuanoLad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guanolad/32/42_2.png) [@GuanoLad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuanoLad)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2017, 8:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-cameron-says-hurricanes-are-because-gods-mad-at-us/795972/29 "2017-09-10T08:04:11Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > Technically speaking, China, the Philippines, Japan, Australia and Vietnam don’t get hurricanes. Correct. We call them Cyclones in the southern Pacific, and I think they’re Typhoons in the northern Pacific, though maybe that’s not as common as it used to be. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2017, 8:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-cameron-says-hurricanes-are-because-gods-mad-at-us/795972/30 "2017-09-10T08:19:03Z")
> [@Riemann](#): > > Did you actually listen to what she said in the interview that you linked to, or just read the bullshit clickbait headline? > Here’s what she _actually_ said, verbatim: That may have been what she said verbatim, but it wasn’t everything she said verbatim. Here’s what was actually said: > [@](#): > > Channel 4: When the director was asked about the film why it was so dark, he said it’s a mad time to be alive. There’s certainly an end of days feel about it. For many people in America who would say perhaps it’s truer there at the moment than anywhere else, what are your thoughts about the changes of what’s happened in your own country over the last year or so? > Jennifer Lawrence: It’s scary. It’s this new language that’s forming, I don’t even recognize it. It’s also scary to know, it’s been proven through science, that human activity, that climate change is due to human activity and we continue to ignore it and the only voice that we really have is through voting. > > C4: And you have voted. > > JL: And we voted, and it was really startling. You’re watching these hurricanes now and it’s really hard especially while promoting this movie not to feel Mother Nature’s rage, or wrath. > > C4: It’s not just about climate change is it, it seems to be a time of huge division. > > JL: Yeah, it’s really polarizing and upsetting. I’ve heard things and seen things on TV in my own country that devastate me and make me sick. It’s just really confusing. > [@Rieman](#): > > Only a moron would infer that she is claiming the election, rather than anthropogenic global warming, has triggered “mother nature’s rage”. Of course she’s talking about the election. It’s right there where she says: > [@](#): > > And we voted, and it was really startling. You’re watching these hurricanes now and it’s really hard especially while promoting this movie not to feel Mother Nature’s rage, or wrath. But whether one buys that she was talking about climate change or recognizes that she was talking about the country being punished for electing Trump, isn’t it just as stupid either way to suggest that the weather is sentient and giving vent to its emotions, no matter the alleged cause? Jennifer Lawrence is an idiot. I’m pissed at myself for liking her at the beginning of her career. ---
**Author:** ![Mijin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mijin/32/9369_2.png) [@Mijin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mijin)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2017, 8:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-cameron-says-hurricanes-are-because-gods-mad-at-us/795972/31 "2017-09-10T08:59:11Z")
> [@GuanoLad](#): > > Correct. We call them Cyclones in the southern Pacific, and I think they’re Typhoons in the northern Pacific, though maybe that’s not as common as it used to be. It would be madness if we didn’t have a collective term for all these kinds of storm system and some googling suggests it is (tropical) cyclone. So as well as the only name used for such weather systems in the south pacific, it’s also the collective term for hurricanes and typhoons. ---
**Author:** ![GuanoLad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guanolad/32/42_2.png) [@GuanoLad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuanoLad)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2017, 11:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-cameron-says-hurricanes-are-because-gods-mad-at-us/795972/32 "2017-09-10T11:33:39Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Of course she’s talking about the election. It’s right there where she says: But whether one buys that she was talking about climate change or recognizes that she was talking about the country being punished for electing Trump, isn’t it just as stupid either way to suggest that the weather is sentient and giving vent to its emotions, no matter the alleged cause? Correlation is not causation. Just because one sentence follows another doesn’t mean they’re directly connected. She was responding to the interviewer. If you ignore that interjection you can see her train of thought follows her previous answer. > [@](#): > > It’s also scary to know, it’s been proven through science, that human activity, that climate change is due to human activity and we continue to ignore it… You’re watching these hurricanes now and it’s really hard especially while promoting this movie not to feel Mother Nature’s rage, or wrath. And anthropomorphising weather is hardly stupid, it’s very human to want to ascribe meaning to something that is largely random. We all do it in different ways; it doesn’t mean we believe what we’re saying literally. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2017, 11:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-cameron-says-hurricanes-are-because-gods-mad-at-us/795972/33 "2017-09-10T11:47:01Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > That may have been what she said verbatim, but it wasn’t everything she said verbatim… You are accusing me of selectively quoting her, when all you have done is insert the words “And you have voted” that were interjected by the interviewer, as a way to create the illusion of separation between consecutive sentences spoken by Lawrence. What _you_ did is selective quoting that misrepresents what she said. The full spoken sequence, from your own transcription (which was otherwise exactly the same as mine): > [@Jennifer Lawrence](#): > > …it’s been proven through science, that human activity, that climate change is due to human activity. And we continue to ignore it. And the only voice that we really have is through voting, and we voted, and it was really startling. You’re watching these hurricanes now and it’s really hard especially while promoting this movie not to feel Mother Nature’s rage, or wrath. It’s not well-constructed prose, of course - it’s improvised speech. But the ridiculous meaning that you suggest is only plausible when you hide the first sentence about climate change. I think I need to modify my prior comment. Anyone who infers that Lawrence is claiming a causal connection between the election and the hurricanes (rather than between anthropogenic global warming and the hurricanes) is either a moron or willfully misrepresenting what she actually said. ---
**Author:** ![Derleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Derleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Derleth)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2017, 11:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-cameron-says-hurricanes-are-because-gods-mad-at-us/795972/34 "2017-09-10T11:53:25Z")
> [@E-DUB](#): > > well, hurricanes _are_ acts of God. It says so right here in my insurance policy. Right, and the core message of the Book of Job is that God allows Satan to do terrible things to good people not because God thinks those people are evil, or because He lost a bet, but because He’s God, and God does terrible things to the ones He loves. This isn’t an abusive relationship because shut up. Of course, that aspect of the True Faith is somehow… unpalatable to modern Christians, so they have to make God a Republican who sends major storms to Republican counties in Florida and Texas because of Austin and Miami. Apparently, sloppy is better than ineffable. An all-perfect being is sloppy because shut up. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2017, 12:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-cameron-says-hurricanes-are-because-gods-mad-at-us/795972/35 "2017-09-10T12:03:08Z")
> [@SMBC](#): > > If God is omniscient and omnipotent…well…how could he let this happen? [http://www.smbc-comics.com/?id=3409](http://www.smbc-comics.com/?id=3409) ---
**Author:** ![Derleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Derleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Derleth)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2017, 1:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-cameron-says-hurricanes-are-because-gods-mad-at-us/795972/36 "2017-09-10T13:06:20Z")
> [@Riemann](#): > > [http://www.smbc-comics.com/?id=3409](http://www.smbc-comics.com/?id=3409) “Wheel of Morality, turn turn turn / Tell us the lesson that we should learn!” ([_Animaniacs_](http://animaniacs.wikia.com/wiki/Wheel_of_Morality)) Or, in longer words, “God is explicitly inexplicable, effing ineffable, and unscrewably inscrutable. I know! Let’s use His actions as the basis for all morality! Job? He must have been a pedophile or a gay or a climate scientist or something.” ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2017, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-cameron-says-hurricanes-are-because-gods-mad-at-us/795972/37 "2017-09-10T13:47:07Z")
> [@Derleth](#): > > …Or, in longer words, “God is explicitly inexplicable, effing ineffable, and unscrewably inscrutable. I know! Let’s use His actions as the basis for all morality! Job? He must have been a pedophile or a gay or a climate scientist or something.” If only this _were_ a parody. But it’s apparently the way half the nation thinks. When the Problem Of Evil is unanswerable, you’d think that the religious would just prefer to keep quiet and hope that nobody notices while Jeebus is busy murdering innocent people and Republicans with hurricanes. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2017, 1:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-cameron-says-hurricanes-are-because-gods-mad-at-us/795972/38 "2017-09-10T13:50:57Z")
> [@nightshadea](#): > > I wondered what dickhead was going to say this although I think someone did but it was because of trump… > > heres the genius’s thoughts :[MSN](http://www.msn.com/en-us/tv/celebrity/kirk-cameron-says-god-sent-hurricanes-to-teach-us-humility/ar-AArw6Py?li=BBnb2gh) > > moron… If ever there was a need for a large celestial rubber hand to come from the heavens and smack the living stupid out of someone who couldn’t possibly deserve it more. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2017, 1:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-cameron-says-hurricanes-are-because-gods-mad-at-us/795972/39 "2017-09-10T13:54:18Z")
Hey now, through the upcoming suffering, misery and death, Cameron is about to put lots of money in his bank account. I suppose you have a problem with capitalism? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Derleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Derleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Derleth)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2017, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-cameron-says-hurricanes-are-because-gods-mad-at-us/795972/40 "2017-09-10T14:34:43Z")
> [@Riemann](#): > > When the Problem Of Evil is unanswerable, you’d think that the religious would just prefer to keep quiet and hope that nobody notices while Jeebus is busy murdering innocent people and Republicans with hurricanes. The Problem Of Evil is only unanswerable to people without faith. And not just any faith, but the right kind of faith. The faith that bad things only happen to bad people, that glurgy email forwards about the Deserving Poor being helped by the Dickensian Good Rich Person and bootstrapping themselves up into becoming, themselves, a Good Rich Person, are not only True but factual, and that its converse, the Problem Of Grace, is equally solved by good things happening to good people and bad people being punished. It’s perfect: There’s no need for a social safety net because there’s no way for a good person to fall far enough to need one, and if they do, and they can’t rise back up, they must not have been good to begin with, so there’s no need for taxes to support any such programs. That does fine by the business Republicans, who generally can’t be bothered with what the God-botherers want save when they target them as a demographic, but who definitely would be interested in a religion where the capital gains tax is morally unconscionable. For the traditionalists, all of those ritual purity laws can before moral tenets: Being impure in the sight of God is now the kind of thing you get stricken down with AIDS for, as opposed to the kind of thing enter a temple because of, and that isn’t a problem because only bad people get bad diseases. The Good Samaritan is a wonderful story, just don’t replace Samaritan with Faggot, savvy? Plus, we can cut the sex ed classes because only bad people notice their genitals before they’re married, and we certainly don’t want to make any of our little children bad by teaching them that menstruation _isn’t_ rapid-onset Ebola. I mean, that saves souls _and_ money! Speaking of money, the Prosperity Gospel means Jesus wants _you_ to have that Mercedes Benz! Name it and claim it, and if you fall short of your material aspirations, you must be immoral, and not like such paragons as Joel Osteen! Just buy more virtue! Operators are standing by! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-cameron-says-hurricanes-are-because-gods-mad-at-us/795972.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-cameron-says-hurricanes-are-because-gods-mad-at-us/795972.md?page=3)