# Kirk Cameron schools Stephen Hawking in science **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 22, 2011, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-cameron-schools-stephen-hawking-in-science/582818 "2011-05-22T21:45:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![classyladyhp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b5ac83/32.png) [@classyladyhp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/classyladyhp)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2011, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-cameron-schools-stephen-hawking-in-science/582818/101 "2011-05-23T13:56:29Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > I don’t hope you die. I’m just noting that your stupidity is a net drag on the race of humanity. How do you even sleep at night? What the heck is missng in your life that you can say such horrible things? I’m seriously asking you. Just because YOU think you are fucking smarter than everyone else doesn’t mean you are. ---
**Author:** ![classyladyhp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b5ac83/32.png) [@classyladyhp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/classyladyhp)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2011, 1:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-cameron-schools-stephen-hawking-in-science/582818/102 "2011-05-23T13:59:11Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > Wait, wait. I may have stumbled upon a nugget. > > Have you died and come back? Please regale us with your tales (this could get interesting). Wow. I said that no one knows the true answer nitwit. However all you people seem to be 100% sure there is no God. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2011, 1:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-cameron-schools-stephen-hawking-in-science/582818/103 "2011-05-23T13:59:56Z")
> [@classyladyhp](#): > > How do you even sleep at night? Very well. Because I’m not so stupid that I fret about imaginary nonsense. > [@](#): > > What the heck is missng in your life that you can say such horrible things? I’m seriously asking you. What’s horrible? You’re subnormal. Below the average. Irrational and bitchy, you want to impose your delusions on others. Can’t you understand why you’re a net drag on humanity? ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2011, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-cameron-schools-stephen-hawking-in-science/582818/104 "2011-05-23T14:01:45Z")
> [@classyladyhp](#): > > Wow. I said that no one knows the true answer nitwit. We do know that there is no evidence for the existence of a soul. So you might as well wish for shitting-dick-nipples because you’re the one randomly asserting nonsense. > [@](#): > > However all you people seem to be 100% sure there is no God. I’m not a hundred percent sure I’m not in the Matrix. But I do know the evidence we have doesn’t suggest that we are. ---
**Author:** ![classyladyhp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b5ac83/32.png) [@classyladyhp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/classyladyhp)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2011, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-cameron-schools-stephen-hawking-in-science/582818/105 "2011-05-23T14:01:59Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > You’re the one suggesting, without any evidence, that a dude in space created the universe and allows our consciousness to keep functioning after death. > > Where is your evidence? And simply being a person that really, really doesn’t want oblivion isn’t evidence. I believe there is a God. You believe there is no God. Why does your belief trump my belief. ---
**Author:** ![classyladyhp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b5ac83/32.png) [@classyladyhp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/classyladyhp)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2011, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-cameron-schools-stephen-hawking-in-science/582818/106 "2011-05-23T14:03:24Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > Very well. Because I’m not so stupid that I fret about imaginary nonsense. > > What’s horrible? You’re subnormal. Below the average. Irrational and bitchy, you want to impose your delusions on others. > > Can’t you understand why you’re a net drag on humanity? Just because a mental case thinks that about me doesn’t mean it’s true. I love myself:DI’m awesome:D ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2011, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-cameron-schools-stephen-hawking-in-science/582818/107 "2011-05-23T14:05:20Z")
> [@classyladyhp](#): > > I believe there is a God. You believe there is no God. Why does your belief trump my belief. I have seen no evidence for God. So, I don’t think the burden of proof has been met for Him. Do you know who also has no evidence for their existence? There is no evidence that Batman exists. There is no evidence that Captain Kirk exists. There is no evidence that Shiva exists. There is no evidence that Nancy Drew exists. Why do you assume that God exists when there is exactly as much evidence for the above as there is for Him? Are you asserting that Nancy Drew is real too? ---
**Author:** ![Cheshire\_Human](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Cheshire\_Human](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheshire_Human)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2011, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-cameron-schools-stephen-hawking-in-science/582818/108 "2011-05-23T14:06:18Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > You can logically believe that \*certain \*Gods don’t exist. For instance our current universe is impossible to exist if you have an omnipotent and omnibenevolent God. > > The God of the bible is certainly not real, since the bible is contradictory and wrong in many places. Which means that if the Christian God exists, He is different from what most Christians are expecting. This is certainly true. Good point. I was only talking about the concept: God, creator of the universe, properties undefined. So your statement certainly applies to anyone who wants to actually start defining properties of the supposed God. ETA: That said, I’ll go out on a limb, and say Cameron’s idea of god is full of shit. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Double\_Foolscap](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/85e7bf/32.png) [@Double\_Foolscap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Double_Foolscap)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2011, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-cameron-schools-stephen-hawking-in-science/582818/109 "2011-05-23T14:06:57Z")
> [@classyladyhp](#): > > I believe there is a God. You believe there is no God. Why does your belief trump my belief. Because our belief leads to cool experiments to find out why the world is the way it is, dragging the world into new eras of understanding, and your belief leads to… well, you. ---
**Author:** ![classyladyhp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b5ac83/32.png) [@classyladyhp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/classyladyhp)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2011, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-cameron-schools-stephen-hawking-in-science/582818/110 "2011-05-23T14:08:54Z")
What caused the Big Bang? ---
**Author:** ![classyladyhp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b5ac83/32.png) [@classyladyhp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/classyladyhp)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2011, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-cameron-schools-stephen-hawking-in-science/582818/111 "2011-05-23T14:14:17Z")
When I see all the glories of the cosmos, I can’t help but believe that there is a divine hand behind it all. Albert Einstein My religion consists of a humble admiration of the illimitable superior spirit who reveals himself in the slight details we are able to perceive With our frail and feeble minds. That deeply emotional conviction of the presence of a superior reasoning power, which is revealed in the incomprehensible Universe, forms my idea of God. Albert Einstein ---
**Author:** ![Double\_Foolscap](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/85e7bf/32.png) [@Double\_Foolscap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Double_Foolscap)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2011, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-cameron-schools-stephen-hawking-in-science/582818/112 "2011-05-23T14:15:19Z")
If I say say the universe comes from Brahma being born out of Lord Vishnu’s bellybutton, will you leave me alone? I’m subscribing to the same moon logic as you, and I’m doing it with cooler imagery. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2011, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-cameron-schools-stephen-hawking-in-science/582818/113 "2011-05-23T14:17:26Z")
> [@classyladyhp](#): > > Wow. I said that no one knows the true answer nitwit. Aren’t you pleasant. I just asked you an honest question because I interpreted your statement a certain way. But you have to get holier-than-thou right out of the gate calling me a nitwit. And you wonder why people think you’re a bitch? ---
**Author:** ![classyladyhp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b5ac83/32.png) [@classyladyhp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/classyladyhp)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2011, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-cameron-schools-stephen-hawking-in-science/582818/114 "2011-05-23T14:21:40Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > Aren’t you pleasant. I just asked you an honest question because I interpreted your statement a certain way. But you have to get holier-than-thou right out of the gate calling me a nitwit. > > And you wonder why people think you’re a bitch? People like you think I`m a bitch. People like you are stupid. If people like you think I`m a bitch. I take that as a compliment:D ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2011, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-cameron-schools-stephen-hawking-in-science/582818/115 "2011-05-23T14:26:53Z")
> [@classyladyhp](#): > > Why does your belief trump my belief. Damn, I knew I should have copywrited (copywrote? :)) that question when I asked you that in the abortion picketers thread. I look at the amazingness of the cosmos with all it’s wonder and beauty, I feel spiritually moved and think to myself: What an amazing world we live in, how lucky I am to be alive and isn’t science amazingly cool that we can use it to figure this stuff out. My sense of wonder and beauty doesn’t require a creator; it doesn’t rule it out, but just because you feel awe and wonder doesn’t make it a requirement. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2011, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-cameron-schools-stephen-hawking-in-science/582818/116 "2011-05-23T14:30:48Z")
> [@classyladyhp](#): > > What caused the Big Bang? Aqua-Buddah. Which by the way, has just as much evidence going for it as your bullshit idea. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2011, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-cameron-schools-stephen-hawking-in-science/582818/117 "2011-05-23T14:33:30Z")
> [@classyladyhp](#): > > People like you think I`m a bitch. People like you are stupid. If people like you think I`m a bitch. I take that as a compliment:D Well, then allow me to pay you more compliments. You’re also a hystrionic basket-case. All I did was ask you a question, but you’ve got a burr buried so far up your ass, you just won’t be happy unless you’re being insulted. Fine. Far be it from me to drag you off your cross. Freakshow. ---
**Author:** ![LonesomePolecat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a88e57/32.png) [@LonesomePolecat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LonesomePolecat)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2011, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-cameron-schools-stephen-hawking-in-science/582818/118 "2011-05-23T14:35:14Z")
> [@IvoryTowerDenizen](#): > > Damn, I knew I should have copywrited (copywrote? :)) that question when I asked you that in the abortion picketers thread. You can’t copywrite anything. There’s copy writing and writing copy, but neither of them have anything to do with having the exclusive right to publish a text. You would need to file for a copyright, although technically you own a copyright to any image or text you have created even if the copyright isn’t registered. I’m not even sure you can file a copyright for a single phrase or sentence; most likely the copyright office would tell you to trademark it. Sorry. It’s just seems that more and more people are making this mistake these days, and for some reason it’s really beginning to bug me. ---
**Author:** ![Dissonance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/85f322/32.png) [@Dissonance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dissonance)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2011, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-cameron-schools-stephen-hawking-in-science/582818/119 "2011-05-23T14:36:50Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > Logical reasoning or physical evidence or GTFO. I’d settle for some tits; logical reasoning or physical evidence isn’t going to happen. ---
**Author:** ![Revtim](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/revtim/32/1042_2.png) [@Revtim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revtim)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2011, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-cameron-schools-stephen-hawking-in-science/582818/120 "2011-05-23T14:38:57Z")
> [@classyladyhp](#): > > What caused the Big Bang? Just because we don’t know, does not mean god did it. There was a time when people asked “why does it rain” and “how did that mountain get there”, and the answer given was “god did it”. Now we know the natural causes of rain and mountains everything else that was attributed to gods and dead ancestors and spirits. Surely you see the pattern here? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-cameron-schools-stephen-hawking-in-science/582818.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-cameron-schools-stephen-hawking-in-science/582818.md?page=7)