# Kirk Cameron schools Stephen Hawking in science **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 22, 2011, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-cameron-schools-stephen-hawking-in-science/582818 "2011-05-22T21:45:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![elninost0rm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ed655f/32.png) [@elninost0rm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elninost0rm)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2011, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-cameron-schools-stephen-hawking-in-science/582818/121 "2011-05-23T14:39:14Z")
> [@Double\_Foolscap](#): > > Because our belief leads to cool experiments to find out why the world is the way it is, dragging the world into new eras of understanding, and your belief leads to… well, you. /thread ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2011, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-cameron-schools-stephen-hawking-in-science/582818/122 "2011-05-23T14:44:19Z")
> [@LonesomePolecat](#): > > You can’t copywrite anything. There’s copy writing and writing copy, but neither of them have anything to do with having the exclusive right to publish a text. You would need to file for a copyright, although technically you own a copyright to any image or text you have created even if the copyright isn’t registered. I’m not even sure you can file a copyright for a single phrase or sentence; most likely the copyright office would tell you to trademark it. > > Sorry. It’s just seems that more and more people are making this mistake these days, and for some reason it’s really beginning to bug me. You are 100% right and I do know better- I actually paused, said “that just doesn’t look right” before hitting post, but did it anyway. Keep fighting the good fight- my good fight is affect/effect and imply/infer! Do you don’t even have to file copyRIGHT. 🙂 You own what you write, which differs from trademarks, which do have to be filed to be enforced. Beyond that, my knowledge is fuzzy on copyright law. ---
**Author:** ![Morgyn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morgyn/32/3041_2.png) [@Morgyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgyn)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2011, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-cameron-schools-stephen-hawking-in-science/582818/123 "2011-05-23T14:51:41Z")
> [@classyladyhp](#): > > What caused the Big Bang? Well, see, when a Daddy Universe and a Mommy Universe love each other _very much_, they get together and, well, things happen. Afterwards, the Daddy Universe falls asleep and snores, and the Mommy Universe lies there feeling frustrated because while _he_ got \*his \*Big Bang, she **didn** ’t. And so it goes. Makes about as much sense, really, as “God did it.” ---
**Author:** ![The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9fc348/32.png) [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Flying_Dutchman)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2011, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-cameron-schools-stephen-hawking-in-science/582818/124 "2011-05-23T15:00:32Z")
> [@Revtim](#): > > [http://www.deseretnews.com/article/700136489/Stephen-Hawking-vs-Kirk-Cameron-A-heavenly-debate.html](http://www.deseretnews.com/article/700136489/Stephen-Hawking-vs-Kirk-Cameron-A-heavenly-debate.html) > > No way says noted scientitian and crocoduck hunter Kirk Cameron: > > Take that Hawking! Cameron, whose notable scientific achievements include the documentary “The Computer Wore Tennis Shoes”, clearly knows more about science than that wheelchair guy, who is only known for guest appearances on Matt Groening cartoons. I’m still waiting for Tina Yothers and Scott Baio to weigh in, but I gotta give this one to Cameron. This pitting is purely ridiculous. Hawkings quoted assertion has no scientific basis so his superior scientific credentials has no bearing on the relative credibility between him and Cameron on the issue of the existence of God. Would anyone here apply more credibility to their high school physics teacher on the merrits of religion ? ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2011, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-cameron-schools-stephen-hawking-in-science/582818/125 "2011-05-23T15:01:01Z")
> [@Dissonance](#): > > I’d settle for some tits; logical reasoning or physical evidence isn’t going to happen. 😃 Top tier post. Would read again. Also guys, let’s not be dicks about this to classylady, eh? She’s stupid/misguided/ignorant/_whatever_, but saying “I hope you die” is a _little_ overboard, no? I’ll be attacking those arguments in a new thread. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2011, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-cameron-schools-stephen-hawking-in-science/582818/126 "2011-05-23T15:02:12Z")
> [@classyladyhp](#): > > What caused the Big Bang? We don’t know. We do, however, have some theories which are potentially testable. “God did it” is untestable, unfalsifiable and arguing from ignorance. It’s bad theology and it’s bad science. You’ve (mis-)quoted a famous scientist as support for your argument. I’ll trade you for a famous pastor with a better understanding of both science and God than yours: > [@Dietrich Bonhoeffer](#): > > …how wrong it is to use God as a stop-gap for the incompleteness of our knowledge. If in fact the frontiers of knowledge are being pushed further and further back (and that is bound to be the case), then God is being pushed back with them, and is therefore continually in retreat. We are to find God in what we know, not in what we don’t know. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2011, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-cameron-schools-stephen-hawking-in-science/582818/127 "2011-05-23T15:03:00Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > 😃 > > Top tier post. Would read again. Also guys, let’s not be dicks about this to classylady, eh? She’s stupid/misguided/ignorant/_whatever_, but saying “I hope you die” is a _little_ overboard, no? > > I’ll be attacking those arguments in a new thread. I didn’t say I hoped she died. I said it would improve the world. Which assumes, of course, that intelligence is a good thing. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2011, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-cameron-schools-stephen-hawking-in-science/582818/128 "2011-05-23T15:07:31Z")
> [@classyladyhp](#): > > What caused the Big Bang? Batman. Because he can do _anything_ if he prepares. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2011, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-cameron-schools-stephen-hawking-in-science/582818/129 "2011-05-23T15:11:18Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Batman. > Because he can do _anything_ if he prepares. I would like to discuss the theological implications of Harley Quinn and Cat Woman being involved. ---
**Author:** ![Who\_me\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/958977/32.png) [@Who\_me\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Who_me_1)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2011, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-cameron-schools-stephen-hawking-in-science/582818/130 "2011-05-23T15:15:47Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > I didn’t say I hoped she died. I said it would improve the world. Which assumes, of course, that intelligence is a good thing. I guess others didn’t read your post as well as I did… ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2011, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-cameron-schools-stephen-hawking-in-science/582818/131 "2011-05-23T15:16:32Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > I would like to discuss the theological implications of Harley Quinn and Cat Woman being involved. The _trilogy_ of Poison Ivy, Harley Quinn and Catwoman, you mean? ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2011, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-cameron-schools-stephen-hawking-in-science/582818/132 "2011-05-23T15:23:07Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > The _trilogy_ of Poison Ivy, Harley Quinn and Catwoman, you mean? Heretic! ---
**Author:** ![42fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/4/b487fb/32.png) [@42fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/42fish)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2011, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-cameron-schools-stephen-hawking-in-science/582818/133 "2011-05-23T15:28:44Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > I would like to discuss the theological implications of Harley Quinn and Cat Woman being involved. And I’d like to discuss the theological implications of Cat Woman and Bat Girl being involved\*. Wait, I don’t mean theological. What’s the word I’m looking for again? Oh yeah, erotic. Carry on. \*With a tub of chocolate pudding. ---
**Author:** ![Revtim](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/revtim/32/1042_2.png) [@Revtim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revtim)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2011, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-cameron-schools-stephen-hawking-in-science/582818/134 "2011-05-23T15:29:23Z")
> [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](#): > > This pitting is purely ridiculous. Hawkings quoted assertion has no scientific basis so his superior scientific credentials has no bearing on the relative credibility between him and Cameron on the issue of the existence of God. > > Would anyone here apply more credibility to their high school physics teacher on the merrits of religion ? You think it’s reasonable for Cameron to accuse Hawking of believing in a “scientific impossibility”? Hawking’s scientific credentials makes that supremely pittable, in the point-and-laugh manner. ---
**Author:** ![classyladyhp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b5ac83/32.png) [@classyladyhp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/classyladyhp)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2011, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-cameron-schools-stephen-hawking-in-science/582818/135 "2011-05-23T15:47:41Z")
> [@LonesomePolecat](#): > > You can’t copywrite anything. There’s copy writing and writing copy, but neither of them have anything to do with having the exclusive right to publish a text. You would need to file for a copyright, although technically you own a copyright to any image or text you have created even if the copyright isn’t registered. I’m not even sure you can file a copyright for a single phrase or sentence; most likely the copyright office would tell you to trademark it. > > Sorry. It’s just seems that more and more people are making this mistake these days, and for some reason it’s really beginning to bug me. Brilliant! You shouldn’t expect much from her anyways. There’s not much she understands. Now she has chosen to follow me over here and harrass me. Is that kind of thing frowned upon? She thinks she invented the phrase. ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2011, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-cameron-schools-stephen-hawking-in-science/582818/136 "2011-05-23T15:50:28Z")
> [@classyladyhp](#): > > Brilliant! You shouldn’t expect much from her anyways. There’s not much she understands. Now she has chosen to follow me over here and harrass me. Is that kind of thing frowned upon? > She thinks she invented the phrase. What? He’s right: I made an error and said it. Followed you? What? You licked this thread and called dibs? ---
**Author:** ![classyladyhp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b5ac83/32.png) [@classyladyhp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/classyladyhp)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2011, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-cameron-schools-stephen-hawking-in-science/582818/137 "2011-05-23T15:50:49Z")
> [@Morgyn](#): > > Well, see, when a Daddy Universe and a Mommy Universe love each other _very much_, they get together and, well, things happen. > > Afterwards, the Daddy Universe falls asleep and snores, and the Mommy Universe lies there feeling frustrated because while _he_ got \*his \*Big Bang, she **didn** ’t. > > And so it goes. > > Makes about as much sense, really, as “God did it.” So you can’t explain what caused the Big Bang then right? That’s essentially what you are saying. BTW please don’t delve into writing children’s books:rolleyes: So again. What caused the Big Bang? The universe created itself out of nothing? There was no cause? ---
**Author:** ![classyladyhp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b5ac83/32.png) [@classyladyhp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/classyladyhp)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2011, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-cameron-schools-stephen-hawking-in-science/582818/138 "2011-05-23T15:51:51Z")
> [@IvoryTowerDenizen](#): > > What? He’s right: I made an error and said it. > > Followed you? What? You licked this thread and called dibs? You came over here with one purpose only and YOU know that. ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2011, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-cameron-schools-stephen-hawking-in-science/582818/139 "2011-05-23T15:51:59Z")
> [@classyladyhp](#): > > What caused the Big Bang? Not enough evidence to speculate. > [@classyladyhp](#): > > When I see all the glories of the cosmos, I can’t help but believe that there is a divine hand behind it all. Albert Einstein > > My religion consists of a humble admiration of the illimitable superior spirit who reveals himself in the slight details we are able to perceive With our frail and feeble minds. That deeply emotional conviction of the presence of a superior reasoning power, which is revealed in the incomprehensible Universe, forms my idea of God. Albert Einstein Appeal to authority fallacy. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2011, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-cameron-schools-stephen-hawking-in-science/582818/140 "2011-05-23T15:52:50Z")
> [@classyladyhp](#): > > Brilliant! You shouldn’t expect much from her anyways. There’s not much she understands. Now she has chosen to follow me over here and harrass me. Is that kind of thing frowned upon? > She thinks she invented the phrase. She’s much, much smarter than you. Why are you even at a website devoted to reducing ignorance? You obviously have no intention of learning anything. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-cameron-schools-stephen-hawking-in-science/582818.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-cameron-schools-stephen-hawking-in-science/582818.md?page=8)