# Kirk Cameron's 150th Anniversary ORIGIN OF SPECIES (expurgated, the one without the gannet) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 22, 2009, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-camerons-150th-anniversary-origin-of-species-expurgated-the-one-without-the-gannet/511147 "2009-09-22T21:52:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2009, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-camerons-150th-anniversary-origin-of-species-expurgated-the-one-without-the-gannet/511147/41 "2009-09-23T23:54:47Z")
> [@leander](#): > > The point was that if we allow bibles to be handed out then why not Korans? Because it is sacrilege to translate the Koran from the original Arabic. ---
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2009, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-camerons-150th-anniversary-origin-of-species-expurgated-the-one-without-the-gannet/511147/42 "2009-09-24T00:11:55Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Because it is sacrilege to translate the Koran from the original Arabic. I take it the pig latin translation is particularly verbotten. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2009, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-camerons-150th-anniversary-origin-of-species-expurgated-the-one-without-the-gannet/511147/43 "2009-09-24T00:35:01Z")
> [@leander](#): > > Not only that, but he got one of the semi-regular cast members fired because she did a playboy pictorial. He’s a class act, that one. I thought the writers just wanted to go in a “different direction.” :rolleyes: [sub]And if anyone believed THAT, I got a whole shitload of bridges here in Pittsburgh for sale[/sub] I think his sister also ended up being a fundie as well. ---
**Author:** ![leander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/bcef8e/32.png) [@leander](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/leander)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2009, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-camerons-150th-anniversary-origin-of-species-expurgated-the-one-without-the-gannet/511147/44 "2009-09-24T00:41:40Z")
What’s really shit is that she did the Playboy pictorial several years before she went on the show. So they knew about it and didn’t have any problems until Kirk found Jesus. Yes, very Christian of you to have someone lose their livelihood because you became a born again. ETA: And whatever you do, do not google “julie mccullough playboy” or you WILL go to Hell!! (Ah the 80s, when women didn’t groom down there at all…) ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2009, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-camerons-150th-anniversary-origin-of-species-expurgated-the-one-without-the-gannet/511147/45 "2009-09-24T03:04:51Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > How about Biggles Combs His Recessive, Not Dominant Hair? Yeah, but where the hell was Biggles when you needed him last Saturday? Huh? ETA: TMZ made fun of him. Think about it: TMZ claimed the intellectual high ground over Kirk Cameron. The same people who lap up every drop of sweat when Kate Gosselin takes some of the kids shopping. ---
**Author:** ![njtt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/ecd19e/32.png) [@njtt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/njtt)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2009, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-camerons-150th-anniversary-origin-of-species-expurgated-the-one-without-the-gannet/511147/46 "2009-09-24T03:43:49Z")
> [@Death\_of\_Rats](#): > > You have to have the Gannet! It’s a stardard British bird! Nasty sharp beaks. :eek: ---
**Author:** ![hotflungwok](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/edb3f5/32.png) [@hotflungwok](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hotflungwok)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2009, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-camerons-150th-anniversary-origin-of-species-expurgated-the-one-without-the-gannet/511147/47 "2009-09-24T15:29:02Z")
Does anyone know where these are going to be distributed? I’d really like to get ahold of one, without having to pay Kirk & co. ---
**Author:** ![Enderw24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ba9def/32.png) [@Enderw24](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enderw24)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2009, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-camerons-150th-anniversary-origin-of-species-expurgated-the-one-without-the-gannet/511147/48 "2009-09-24T16:47:16Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > How about Biggles Combs His Recessive, Not Dominant Hair? No? What about Scent of De Man, also by Charles Darrwin. That’s Darrwin with two Rs, the well known Dutch author. ---
**Author:** ![Count\_Blucher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Count\_Blucher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Count_Blucher)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2009, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-camerons-150th-anniversary-origin-of-species-expurgated-the-one-without-the-gannet/511147/49 "2009-09-24T17:04:24Z")
Seriously, there is no way to get one of these ‘freebies’ without being on campus at the right college on the right day? Its a leather-bound addition of an important book in history, and it can either be kept and saved as is or the intro can be modified at the binding carefully with a razorblade. Either way, no matter your POV, its bookcase-worthy. The girl in the video had it right. ---
**Author:** ![zagloba](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/977dab/32.png) [@zagloba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zagloba)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2009, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-camerons-150th-anniversary-origin-of-species-expurgated-the-one-without-the-gannet/511147/50 "2009-09-24T17:17:00Z")
Leather bound? Where did you hear that? ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2009, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-camerons-150th-anniversary-origin-of-species-expurgated-the-one-without-the-gannet/511147/51 "2009-09-24T17:17:25Z")
Biggles Combs, the New Wave Retro-80s Blueblood English Rapper. ---
**Author:** ![Darkhold](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/90db22/32.png) [@Darkhold](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darkhold)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2009, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-camerons-150th-anniversary-origin-of-species-expurgated-the-one-without-the-gannet/511147/52 "2009-09-24T17:49:23Z")
> [@Algher](#): > > I am surprised that there isn’t an atheist group already handing out annotated Bibles with footnotes showing contradictions, inconsistencies, etc. I would buy one for my collection. > > If you decide to hand out the Koran at a public school - go ahead. It opens the door for me to hand out Bibles since the State can’t choose a single religion and is supposed to be neutral about it all. [Ask](http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/)and ye shall [receive](http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/store/cd.html) Sadly CD only. ---
**Author:** ![Count\_Blucher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Count\_Blucher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Count_Blucher)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2009, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-camerons-150th-anniversary-origin-of-species-expurgated-the-one-without-the-gannet/511147/53 "2009-09-24T17:54:02Z")
> [@zagloba](#): > > Leather bound? Where did you hear that? You’re going to make me go back & listen to Curly-Smirk again, aren’t you? ☹ _Powers up the EV suit, disables the ‘neurotoxins detected’ alerts, clicks Youtube_ * * * Damned if he doesn’t just say ‘Full Color Cover Edition’ (ie- Paperback), not leatherbound. What a Sneaky Deceptive Bastard…! (oh, wait…) ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2009, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-camerons-150th-anniversary-origin-of-species-expurgated-the-one-without-the-gannet/511147/54 "2009-09-24T20:52:33Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Because it is sacrilege to translate the Koran from the original Arabic. I don’t think it’s sacrilege so much as it ceases to be the Koran when it’s not in Arabic and becomes something like a commentary. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2009, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-camerons-150th-anniversary-origin-of-species-expurgated-the-one-without-the-gannet/511147/55 "2009-09-24T20:54:13Z")
> [@Count\_Blucher](#): > > You’re going to make me go back & listen to Curly-Smirk again, aren’t you? ☹ > _Powers up the EV suit, disables the ‘neurotoxins detected’ alerts, clicks Youtube_ > > * * * > > Damned if he doesn’t just say ‘Full Color Cover Edition’ (ie- Paperback), not leatherbound. > > What a Sneaky Deceptive Bastard…! > > (oh, wait…) Judging from the prices on the Living Waters website (as low as .99 per if you buy them in quantity) I’m guessing they’re run off on a laser jet then have the cheapest possible cover slapped on with glue. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2009, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-camerons-150th-anniversary-origin-of-species-expurgated-the-one-without-the-gannet/511147/56 "2009-09-24T21:33:49Z")
Anybody find a list of Universities and a schedule? ---
**Author:** ![hotflungwok](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/edb3f5/32.png) [@hotflungwok](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hotflungwok)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2009, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-camerons-150th-anniversary-origin-of-species-expurgated-the-one-without-the-gannet/511147/57 "2009-09-25T14:51:52Z")
Hmm, I checked their site again, and I’m seeing some weird stuff. First, the pdf of the 50 page they added is down. Second, the [page](http://www.livingwaters.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=383) they had up for the project has changed. I’m pretty sure these three bits weren’t up last time I looked: > [@](#): > > # Thanks to good advice from Atheists on my blog (and from others), the 50-page Introduction will address Darwin’s “racism”–and reveal how he was truly a gentle-man who was adamantly against slavery. > > # It will also qualify his apparent degeneration of women, and the fact that his moral character is irrelevant to the Theory of Evolution, just as the Theory of Relativity should stand on its own merits, and not on the morality of Albert Einstein. > > # I will also make it clear that Hitler’s attraction to the theory is also irrelevant to whether or not it’s true. I want this Introduction to be fair-minded, free from prejudice against Darwin, with no straw men or quote-mining. Are they making changes at this point? Does anyone here actually think they mean any of this? Now I really want a copy. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2009, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-camerons-150th-anniversary-origin-of-species-expurgated-the-one-without-the-gannet/511147/58 "2009-09-25T15:35:37Z")
> [@hotflungwok](#): > > Are they making changes at this point? Does anyone here actually think they mean any of this? Now I really want a copy. There’s also this from [Ray Comfort’s blog](http://raycomfortfood.blogspot.com/2009/09/origin-of-species-giveaway.html)(Comfort is Cameron’s Kiwi Jesus Pimp): > [@](#): > > I haven’t attacked Darwin, but simply looked objectively at his belief and asked if it’s scientific, and then left it up to the reader to make up his own mind. If I am the buffoon I’m said to be, this Introduction will confirm it in the eyes of 100,000 young people. If not, then you have a right to be concerned. He also considers the program a huge success already as it’s getting massive media exposure. He has links to TMZ, Huffington Post, People, and other sources. When you’re just a moron evidently it’s a bad thing, but when you’re a world famous moron it makes you smart. There are actually some very respectful comments trashing him for his “lying for the Lord” (my term, not there’s [though hardly original to me]) to which he evidently doesn’t seem to feel the need to respond. ---
**Author:** ![pythonzzz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/9e8a1a/32.png) [@pythonzzz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pythonzzz)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2009, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-camerons-150th-anniversary-origin-of-species-expurgated-the-one-without-the-gannet/511147/59 "2009-09-26T16:22:10Z")
Just a piss-poor pair of fundie-dementalists: PeeWee Kiwi 'Nana Man and his trusty sidekick, PolypBoy Check out the Oompah Loompah in action at this site: [http://whydowebelieve.wordpress.com/2009/09/06/wind-love-and-ray-comforts-wife-a-showdown-at-huntington-beach/](http://whydowebelieve.wordpress.com/2009/09/06/wind-love-and-ray-comforts-wife-a-showdown-at-huntington-beach/) ---
**Author:** ![fuzzypickles](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/9d8465/32.png) [@fuzzypickles](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fuzzypickles)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2009, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-camerons-150th-anniversary-origin-of-species-expurgated-the-one-without-the-gannet/511147/60 "2009-09-26T23:21:07Z")
This news is…disgusting. Infuriating. Barf-inducing. Too bad Darwin’s masterful treatise is out of copyright, or his descendants would have grounds for one hell of a lawsuit. In fact, there _should_ be a law against using public domain science texts as a disguise for religious propaganda. Yeah I know, free speech and all, but when you think about it this is downright _dangerous_ speech – it’s all too easy for some impressionable youngster to pick up a copy of Cameron’s version and mistake it for the real thing! Cameron should be ashamed of himself. And it’s a crying shame that washed-up child star brat didn’t get into crime or drugs, instead of religion. As for an “atheist forward” to the Bible, great idea, but I doubt any publisher would touch it, for fear of being boycotted by hyper-critical fundamentalists. Let’s face it, we live in a Theocracy, where religious dogma is given center stage, and nobody dares point out how utterly delusional that kind of mindset is. (On preview, I see somebody already made one…cool.) > [@Sleeps\_With\_Butterflies](#): > > O Kirk Cameron. I had such a crush on you when you were Mike on “Growing Pains” As a straight male, Kirk Abdomen never did anything for me, but Leo DimCaprio was always kinda cute. > [@Enderw24](#): > > What about Scent of De Man, also by Charles Darrwin. That’s Darrwin with two Rs, the well known Dutch author. You owe me a new keyboard, dammit. 😃 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-camerons-150th-anniversary-origin-of-species-expurgated-the-one-without-the-gannet/511147.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-camerons-150th-anniversary-origin-of-species-expurgated-the-one-without-the-gannet/511147.md?page=4)