# KIRK Vs. Picard- The Debate is OVER **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 10, 2004, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-vs-picard-the-debate-is-over/233567 "2004-03-10T22:56:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![GarfieldFan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a183cd/32.png) [@GarfieldFan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GarfieldFan)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2004, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-vs-picard-the-debate-is-over/233567/1 "2004-03-10T22:56:34Z")
See, The Top Infinite Reasons Kirk is Better than Picard, by Jay B. And “The Captain Kirk Page” Also you can see Rejected Reasons Why Kirk is Better than Picard at the website Nitpicker Central The Classic Trek Sink Rejected Reasons. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2004, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-vs-picard-the-debate-is-over/233567/2 "2004-03-10T23:09:51Z")
Welcome to the SDMB, **Garfieldfan**. Debates about fictional characters belong in our arts forum, [Cafe Society](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/forumdisplay.php?s=&daysprune=2&f=13). A moderator will be along shortly to move it for you. ---
**Author:** ![Billdo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/billdo/32/315_2.png) [@Billdo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Billdo)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2004, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-vs-picard-the-debate-is-over/233567/3 "2004-03-10T23:32:59Z")
Oddly enough, if I recall my SDMB history correctly, the Great Debates forum description originally stated that one of the “discussions of the great questions of our time” to be discussed in the forum was “Kirk v. Picard.” Later, that type of discussion was proper in the IMHO forum. Finally, Cafe Society came along to take those types of discussion. ---
**Author:** ![blowero](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/41988e/32.png) [@blowero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/blowero)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2004, 8:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-vs-picard-the-debate-is-over/233567/4 "2004-03-11T08:28:29Z")
Regular-strength Kirk, or ripped-shirt Kirk? ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2004, 8:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-vs-picard-the-debate-is-over/233567/5 "2004-03-11T08:38:09Z")
Well, I take no position on those particular captains. But _Star Trek: TOS_ is better than _Star Trek: TNG_ – because it’s just not _Star Trek_ without the overacting! I mean, in the original series, even the fucking _Vulcans_ were hams! ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2004, 5:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-vs-picard-the-debate-is-over/233567/6 "2004-03-12T05:42:17Z")
Sisko could take them both. _He decked Q_. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2004, 6:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-vs-picard-the-debate-is-over/233567/7 "2004-03-12T06:04:41Z")
I always thought that one Star Trek guy was the coolest. That Luke Solo guy. ---
**Author:** ![Call\_me\_Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/90ced4/32.png) [@Call\_me\_Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Call_me_Frank)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2004, 6:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-vs-picard-the-debate-is-over/233567/8 "2004-03-12T06:15:06Z")
> [@andros](#): > > I always thought that one Star Trek guy was the coolest. That Luke Solo guy. I _sincerely_ hope you were joking. ---
**Author:** ![Club\_33](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/df705f/32.png) [@Club\_33](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Club_33)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2004, 8:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-vs-picard-the-debate-is-over/233567/9 "2004-03-12T08:05:48Z")
> [@andros](#): > > I always thought that one Star Trek guy was the coolest. That Luke Solo guy. Well, not as cool as that Sulu guy. Ya know, the one they called “Bones” ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2004, 1:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-vs-picard-the-debate-is-over/233567/10 "2004-03-12T13:59:55Z")
> [@Club 33](#): > > Well, not as cool as that Sulu guy. Ya know, the one they called “Bones” Of course, Mal Reynolds was far superior to all of them. There are hundreds of reasons, but the main one is that he doesn’t wear his PJs to work. -Joe ---
**Author:** ![Gaudere](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e495f1/32.png) [@Gaudere](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gaudere)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2004, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-vs-picard-the-debate-is-over/233567/11 "2004-03-12T14:03:02Z")
[Moderator Hat ON] To Cafe Society. [Moderator Hat OFF] ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2004, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-vs-picard-the-debate-is-over/233567/12 "2004-03-12T14:43:47Z")
I always liked that Chinese guy that played Uhura in the movie version of _Voyager_. ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Ashtar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ea924/32.png) [@Lord\_Ashtar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Ashtar)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2004, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-vs-picard-the-debate-is-over/233567/13 "2004-03-12T14:48:41Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > But _Star Trek: TOS_ is better than _Star Trek: TNG_ – because it’s just not _Star Trek_ without the overacting! I mean, in the original series, even the fucking _Vulcans_ were hams! Oh, come on. Jonathan Frakes (Cmmr Ryker) is a classic example of overacting. He’s atually painful to watch sometimes. ---
**Author:** ![TelcontarStorm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3ab097/32.png) [@TelcontarStorm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TelcontarStorm)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2004, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-vs-picard-the-debate-is-over/233567/14 "2004-03-12T15:04:09Z")
> [@Lord Ashtar](#): > > Oh, come on. Jonathan Frakes (Cmmr Ryker) is a classic example of overacting. He’s atually painful to watch sometimes. Luckily for us he’s a better director/producer. Keeps him out of the camera eye. Also. It seems to me that Brent Spiner(sp?) did most of the oddball acting in this series. And _do not_ tell me that Gates McFadden did not over act the Mommy. ---
**Author:** ![Troy\_McClure\_SF](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troy_mcclure_sf/32/4150_2.png) [@Troy\_McClure\_SF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Troy_McClure_SF)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2004, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-vs-picard-the-debate-is-over/233567/15 "2004-03-12T18:55:19Z")
> [@Lord Ashtar](#): > > Oh, come on. Jonathan Frakes (Cmmr Ryker) is a classic example of overacting. He’s atually painful to watch sometimes. My reaction exactly! Yelling while standing completely still, cocking his head every time he turns a corner… [slight hi-jack] In high school, I did theater, and in one play, we were supposed to have an earthquake or some damn thing, requiring us on act like everything around us was jostled. This consisted of us stumbling around, flailing our arms. We referred to this technique as “the Star Trek Wobble.” ---
**Author:** ![rjung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/45deac/32.png) [@rjung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rjung)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2004, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-vs-picard-the-debate-is-over/233567/16 "2004-03-12T20:36:17Z")
I was going to consider throwing all the _Trek_ captains in a no-holds-barred brawl, but then I realized that the first thing Kirk would do would be to seduce Janeway, and my mind overloaded… ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2004, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-vs-picard-the-debate-is-over/233567/17 "2004-03-12T20:43:33Z")
> [@Troy McClure SF](#): > > My reaction exactly! Yelling while standing completely still, cocking his head every time he turns a corner… What I found tragic about him is that the writers tried SO HARD to give his character a personality. But they never came close. -Joe ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2004, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-vs-picard-the-debate-is-over/233567/18 "2004-03-12T22:37:24Z")
Feh. _Kevin Sorbo_ was a better spaceship captain than either of those two jokers. And believe me, that’s not an endorsement of _Andromeda_. You want a real matchup? Malcolm Reynolds v. John Sheridan. Those were a coupla bad-ass mofos with spaceships. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Excellent](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f19dbf/32.png) [@Mr.Excellent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Excellent)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2004, 11:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-vs-picard-the-debate-is-over/233567/19 "2004-03-12T23:43:22Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Feh. _Kevin Sorbo_ was a better spaceship captain than either of those two jokers. And believe me, that’s not an endorsement of _Andromeda_. You want a real matchup? Malcolm Reynolds v. John Sheridan. Those were a coupla bad-ass mofos with spaceships. Bad-ass mofos, yes. But equally bad-ass or mofo-ish so far as spaceships are concerned? 'Fraid not - Serenity wasn’t armed. Put her against anything with, you know, _weapons_ on it, and all Malcom could do is run. ---
**Author:** ![tracer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tracer/32/20578_2.png) [@tracer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tracer)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2004, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-vs-picard-the-debate-is-over/233567/20 "2004-03-13T00:44:00Z")
Bah. Jason “Cmdr. Taggart” Nesmith could wipe the floor with all of 'em! [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirk-vs-picard-the-debate-is-over/233567.md?page=2)