# Kirstie **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [December 11, 2013, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirstie/676091 "2013-12-11T19:03:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![panache45](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/panache45/32/64_2.png) [@panache45](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/panache45)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2013, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirstie/676091/1 "2013-12-11T19:03:38Z")
I forced myself to watch the pilot and first episode of this show. All I came away with was a loathing of Kirstie Alley wearing skin-tight outfits (Don’t try to picture this.). And ugly hair coloring. And too much makeup. And Rhea Perlman playing the same character she’s always played. And Michael Richards proving that he’s not “Kramer” by being not much of anything. And, briefly, an aging Kristin Chenoweth, among other “guests,” showing none of their talents. Anyone else see this? ---
**Author:** ![Kimballkid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/b5a626/32.png) [@Kimballkid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimballkid)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2013, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirstie/676091/2 "2013-12-11T19:28:40Z")
I ‘watched’ the same two episodes in the sense that they were on the TV, but I didn’t pay much attention to them. I did kind of like the Michael Richards character, but overall it was a huge meh. The Kirstie character was wholly unlikable and the Rhea Perlman character was largely forgettable. The son thing was just dumb. WTF, is an unlicensed private detective anyway? Is that shorthand for hit man? ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2013, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirstie/676091/3 "2013-12-11T20:32:01Z")
I’ve only seen the previews and I gotta say that Kirstie… _(spoiler box contains severely critical and tacky comments, which bash her mercilessly. If you think you will be offended and pissed off by over-the-top negative comments, **do not look**. This is your fair warning.)_ …looked like a fat pig slob, the WORST she has ever looked in her career. Hair, weight, clothes-- the whole megillah. I was appalled and disgusted by her appearance. She makes Rosanne Barr look classy, and that’s going some. What in the hell is she thinking? ---
**Author:** ![BrassyPhrase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ea666f/32.png) [@BrassyPhrase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrassyPhrase)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2013, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirstie/676091/4 "2013-12-11T20:54:08Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > I’ve only seen the previews and I gotta say that Kirstie… > _(spoiler box contains severely critical and tacky comments, which bash her mercilessly. If you think you will be offended and pissed off by over-the-top negative comments, **do not look**. This is your fair warning.)_ > > …looked like a fat pig slob, the WORST she has ever looked in her career. Hair, weight, clothes-- the whole megillah. I was appalled and disgusted by her appearance. She makes Rosanne Barr look classy, and that’s going some. What in the hell is she thinking? As one of the people grouped in with your description, I have to say, “How DARE you lump her in with us! THAT’s upsetting!” 😃 I was debating on trying this show. From this thread, I doubt I will. ---
**Author:** ![panache45](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/panache45/32/64_2.png) [@panache45](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/panache45)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2013, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirstie/676091/5 "2013-12-11T21:06:57Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > …looked like a fat pig slob, the WORST she has ever looked in her career. Hair, weight, clothes-- the whole megillah. I was appalled and disgusted by her appearance. She makes Rosanne Barr look classy, and that’s going some. What in the hell is she thinking? These were all the things I was trying not to say. All true. ---
**Author:** ![Tim\_R.Mortiss](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tim_r.mortiss/32/142_2.png) [@Tim\_R.Mortiss](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tim_R.Mortiss)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2013, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirstie/676091/6 "2013-12-11T22:03:12Z")
Too bad. She was once a mighty fine Vulcan. ---
**Author:** ![salinqmind](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3ec8ea/32.png) [@salinqmind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/salinqmind)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2013, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirstie/676091/7 "2013-12-11T22:53:59Z")
It’s a remarkable trio of ultra-fug. Plus one “meh” (the ‘son’). If it was clever or funny, that would be something, but it isn’t. When TVLand bombs (‘Retired at 35’) it really bombs. ---
**Author:** ![corkboard](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@corkboard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/corkboard)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2013, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirstie/676091/8 "2013-12-12T14:20:08Z")
I heard an promo for this show on the radio the other day and they described it as “the Dream Team- Kirstie Alley, Rhea Pearlman and Michael Richards!” The Dream Team? From that description alone it struck me as a stinker. Glad I didn’t waste my time. ---
**Author:** ![KneadToKnow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kneadtoknow/32/3999_2.png) [@KneadToKnow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KneadToKnow)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2013, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirstie/676091/9 "2013-12-12T15:05:01Z")
I can’t fathom how anyone would actually need to watch this show to come to all of these conclusions, but thanks to those who did for your sacrifice. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2013, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirstie/676091/10 "2013-12-12T15:43:09Z")
I watched the first two episodes last week. They weren’t very funny, and as one review pointed out, there’s no way her lifestyle could be supported on the salary of a Broadway actress. Perhaps the character was independently wealthy. And the long-lost son was not very appealing. ---
**Author:** ![panache45](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/panache45/32/64_2.png) [@panache45](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/panache45)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2013, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirstie/676091/11 "2013-12-30T03:36:16Z")
I have no idea why, but I decided to give this show another shot. Big mistake. There’s a new character, Kirstie’s estranged mother, played by Cloris Leachman, winner of the OMFG-I-can’t-believe-how-old-she-is-now contest. What I really can’t believe is that this show hasn’t been canceled yet. ---
**Author:** ![DMark](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e68b1a/32.png) [@DMark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DMark)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2013, 7:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirstie/676091/12 "2013-12-30T07:39:51Z")
The only real problem with this show is that it is simply not funny - at all. You have to wonder - Kirstie was in Cheers, along with Rhea - and there is Kramer from Seinfeld, and Cloris from Mary Tyler More and Saving Hope and other shows. Certainly they know what a good script looks like. You would think at least one of them might mention, “This script sucks!” ---
**Author:** ![Sr\_Siete](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6de8d8/32.png) [@Sr\_Siete](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sr_Siete)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2013, 8:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirstie/676091/13 "2013-12-30T08:47:39Z")
> [@KneadToKnow](#): > > I can’t fathom how anyone would actually need to watch this show to come to all of these conclusions, but thanks to those who did for your sacrifice. Sometimes a pilot looks like it should be a stinker and then it proves you wrong. I mean, I was pretty sure I would hate a TV show about a square-jawed twenty something Green Arrow created by the _Smallville_ guys. ---
**Author:** ![Earl\_Snake-Hips\_Tucker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/earl_snake-hips_tucker/32/3269_2.png) [@Earl\_Snake-Hips\_Tucker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Earl_Snake-Hips_Tucker)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2013, 12:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirstie/676091/14 "2013-12-30T12:50:34Z")
Out of curiosity, I did watch the pilot. Pretty much as described: Kramer playing Kramer. Rhea P. playing Rhea P. Kirstie playing a fat (well, a little less so for the time being) actress. None of that bothered me, since a lot of actors specialize in niche roles. But, as also has been said–it’s just not funny. ---
**Author:** ![panache45](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/panache45/32/64_2.png) [@panache45](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/panache45)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2013, 5:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirstie/676091/15 "2013-12-31T05:57:14Z")
> [@DMark](#): > > You have to wonder - Kirstie was in Cheers, along with Rhea - and there is Kramer from Seinfeld, and Cloris from Mary Tyler More and Saving Hope and other shows. But how many of them went right from these hit shows into another? They’re glad to be working. ---
**Author:** ![handsomeharry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e9c0ed/32.png) [@handsomeharry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/handsomeharry)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2013, 6:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirstie/676091/16 "2013-12-31T06:55:00Z")
Am I confused, or haven’t Kirstie’s boobies shrunk??? ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2013, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirstie/676091/17 "2013-12-31T23:22:53Z")
Humor. It is a difficult concept. ---
**Author:** ![panache45](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/panache45/32/64_2.png) [@panache45](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/panache45)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2014, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirstie/676091/18 "2014-01-02T03:19:47Z")
> [@handsomeharry](#): > > Am I confused, or haven’t Kirstie’s boobies shrunk??? You mean her udders? ---
**Author:** ![Ranger\_Jeff](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ranger_jeff/32/2065_2.png) [@Ranger\_Jeff](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ranger_Jeff)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2014, 4:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirstie/676091/19 "2014-01-02T04:55:00Z")
Some actors are just loved by execs in the business. This isn’t the first post-Cheers series Kirstie has had. I forget what the other one was but it flopped. It may be a case of she really needs the dough; in her divorce from “The Hardy Boys” Parker Stevenson, HE got spousal support. And who knows how much she has to donate to the Church of $cientology to maintain her good standing with them? And I guess to a network exec on paper it sounds good: an ensemble sitcom starring 4 veterans from successful ensemble sitcoms. And there could be some previous business relationships, like the “Roseanne” connection on “The Big Bang Theory”. It works, so far, on TBBT. There could also be some sort of $cientology connection. Or a package deal, “Look, I’ll let you have A-listers A, B, and C for a future series but you have to give something to former A-listers D, E and F.” That all being said, I don’t think the show has a whelk’s chance in a supernova. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2014, 6:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirstie/676091/20 "2014-01-02T06:17:41Z")
Watched an episode and a half. It’s not _House of Payne_ (the absolute gold standard of bad TV) but that’s the best I can say of it. As with most other TV Land sitcoms, it’s as if they’re sweeping up the scraps of other sitcoms and using them to make a rag-rug sitcom. I’ll confess to a prejudice, however: Kirstie Alley’s comments about Leah Remini and her other pro-Scientology babblings over the years have flavored my opinions more than they should. However, if I were a Scientology convert and zealot I don’t think I could find this more than a total waste of time for anybody who isn’t being paid to produce/act in/write/promote it. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kirstie/676091.md?page=2)