# Kissing your husband while black? Not if the LAPD can help it. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 14, 2014, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kissing-your-husband-while-black-not-if-the-lapd-can-help-it/698492 "2014-09-14T19:21:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 19
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2014, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kissing-your-husband-while-black-not-if-the-lapd-can-help-it/698492/361 "2014-09-15T17:31:29Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Lewd conduct **is** a felony on the second offense. Yes, but where are the specific, articulable facts that would let the police believe that this was a second offense? ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2014, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kissing-your-husband-while-black-not-if-the-lapd-can-help-it/698492/362 "2014-09-15T17:31:37Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > They broke the law by detaining her. > > As has been said, the 4th Amendment. Kidnapping, unlawful detainment, and related laws may also be relevant here, but the cops definitely acted unlawfully by detaining Watts. “Kidnapping”? Wow. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2014, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kissing-your-husband-while-black-not-if-the-lapd-can-help-it/698492/363 "2014-09-15T17:34:32Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > This really means that you don’t have any rights at all. [Ahem…](https://www.aclunc.org/our-work/know-your-rights/your-rights-and-police) [QUOTE=ACLU of Northern California] •DO give your name and the information on your drivers’ license. If you don’t, you may be arrested… •DO show an ID… •DON’T disrespect a police officer. Although you have a Constitutional First Amendment right to do so, it could lead to your arrest. •DON’T refuse to give your name, you could be arrested. •DON’T run away or physically resist a “pat-down” or search… [/QUOTE] Would you say that the ACLU are of the opinion that “you have no rights whatsoever”? ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2014, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kissing-your-husband-while-black-not-if-the-lapd-can-help-it/698492/364 "2014-09-15T17:35:12Z")
> [@you\_with\_the\_face](#): > > Oh I see. She got _angry_. When cops are breaking the law and falsely detaining you, it’s incumbent on you to put on a happy face and be polite. She got angry before the cops overstepped their authority. When they simply showed up on the scene to investigate a complaint of two people committing a lewd act, she was angrily accusing them of being racists, threatening them with her publicist and demanding that they talk to her daddy on the phone. As a complete aside, nothing to do with the cops or any subsequent actions by anyone… but how freaky to you have to be getting it on to have people in an office building, in a big fucking city saying “man, we need to call the cops”? ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2014, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kissing-your-husband-while-black-not-if-the-lapd-can-help-it/698492/365 "2014-09-15T17:35:32Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Yes, but where are the specific, articulable facts that would let the police believe that this was a second offense? That she refused to identify herself when asked. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2014, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kissing-your-husband-while-black-not-if-the-lapd-can-help-it/698492/366 "2014-09-15T17:36:43Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > “Kidnapping”? Wow. Another fail at trying to convince yourself that you’re not actually defending the party that acted contrary to law here. Just accept it. You’re defending the lawbreakers. And this is because deference to authority is more important to you than deference to the law. ---
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2014, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kissing-your-husband-while-black-not-if-the-lapd-can-help-it/698492/367 "2014-09-15T17:37:32Z")
I can see that smapti deserves his reputation as a petit facho. It is very literally this type of person that allowed the jews to go to their deaths, the stasis and the nkvd to have their terror. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2014, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kissing-your-husband-while-black-not-if-the-lapd-can-help-it/698492/368 "2014-09-15T17:37:34Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > If they had enough evidence to suspect him and arrest him in the first place, then they could almost certainly convict with or without a confession. That’s not true in the least. An arrest needs only probable cause; a conviction needs proof beyond a reasonable doubt of each and every element of the offense. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2014, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kissing-your-husband-while-black-not-if-the-lapd-can-help-it/698492/369 "2014-09-15T17:37:43Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > That she refused to identify herself when asked. That’s not specific and the courts would not consider this valid as reasonable suspicion. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2014, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kissing-your-husband-while-black-not-if-the-lapd-can-help-it/698492/370 "2014-09-15T17:38:44Z")
> [@Ramira](#): > > I can see that smapti deserves his reputation as a petit facho. It is very literally this type of person that allowed the jews to go to their deaths, the stasis and the nkvd to have their terror. In his [pit thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=723924) he freely admits this. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2014, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kissing-your-husband-while-black-not-if-the-lapd-can-help-it/698492/371 "2014-09-15T17:39:31Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Another fail at trying to convince yourself that you’re not actually defending the party that acted contrary to law here. > > Just accept it. You’re defending the lawbreakers. And this is because deference to authority is more important to you than deference to the law. I’ve yet to hear a serious answer to what law they allegedly broke. Although it would be _great fun_ to see Miss Watts show up at the courthouse and demand to sue the police department for kidnapping her. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2014, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kissing-your-husband-while-black-not-if-the-lapd-can-help-it/698492/372 "2014-09-15T17:41:08Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > That’s not specific and the courts would not consider this valid as reasonable suspicion. It specifically indicates that the suspect has something to hide, such as a previous arrest that would make the alleged crime a felony. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2014, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kissing-your-husband-while-black-not-if-the-lapd-can-help-it/698492/373 "2014-09-15T17:42:09Z")
> [@Ramira](#): > > I can see that smapti deserves his reputation as a petit facho. It is very literally this type of person that allowed the jews to go to their deaths, the stasis and the nkvd to have their terror. Because clearly, the Jews would have been just fine if only they had refused to show ID. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2014, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kissing-your-husband-while-black-not-if-the-lapd-can-help-it/698492/374 "2014-09-15T17:42:59Z")
DO get down on your knees and start slobbing if a police officer asks for a blowie. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2014, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kissing-your-husband-while-black-not-if-the-lapd-can-help-it/698492/375 "2014-09-15T17:44:01Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > I’ve yet to hear a serious answer to what law they allegedly broke. Although it would be _great fun_ to see Miss Watts show up at the courthouse and demand to sue the police department for kidnapping her. This is patently fucking false. You’re simply lying now. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2014, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kissing-your-husband-while-black-not-if-the-lapd-can-help-it/698492/376 "2014-09-15T17:44:33Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > DO get down on your knees and start slobbing if a police officer asks for a blowie. And I thought the person who constantly compared _handshakes_ to rape was off-kilter. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2014, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kissing-your-husband-while-black-not-if-the-lapd-can-help-it/698492/377 "2014-09-15T17:45:34Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > This is patently fucking false. You’re simply lying now. Well then, do feel free to define the specific statute under which a police officer can be arrested for asking someone their name. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2014, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kissing-your-husband-while-black-not-if-the-lapd-can-help-it/698492/378 "2014-09-15T17:46:42Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > It specifically indicates that the suspect has something to hide, such as a previous arrest that would make the alleged crime a felony. No it doesn’t. This is an inaccurate statement with regards to the law. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2014, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kissing-your-husband-while-black-not-if-the-lapd-can-help-it/698492/379 "2014-09-15T17:47:21Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > No it doesn’t. This is an inaccurate statement with regards to the law. What legitimate reason does a law-abiding person have to hide their identity from a police officer investigating a crime? None. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2014, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kissing-your-husband-while-black-not-if-the-lapd-can-help-it/698492/380 "2014-09-15T17:47:49Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > I’ve yet to hear a serious answer to what law they allegedly broke. The 4th Amendment to the Constitution. This is a serious answer. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kissing-your-husband-while-black-not-if-the-lapd-can-help-it/698492.md?page=18) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kissing-your-husband-while-black-not-if-the-lapd-can-help-it/698492.md?page=20)