# Kissing your husband while black? Not if the LAPD can help it. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 14, 2014, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kissing-your-husband-while-black-not-if-the-lapd-can-help-it/698492 "2014-09-14T19:21:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 25
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2014, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kissing-your-husband-while-black-not-if-the-lapd-can-help-it/698492/481 "2014-09-15T18:57:10Z")
Others are hellbent on being Quislings, les petits fachos ---
**Author:** ![Drunky\_Smurf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drunky_smurf/32/449_2.png) [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2014, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kissing-your-husband-while-black-not-if-the-lapd-can-help-it/698492/482 "2014-09-15T18:57:27Z")
I’ve heard the audio and it’s just another case of a celebrity acting like they are better than everyone else. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2014, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kissing-your-husband-while-black-not-if-the-lapd-can-help-it/698492/483 "2014-09-15T18:57:47Z")
> [@Drunky\_Smurf](#): > > I’ve heard the audio and it’s just another case of a celebrity acting like they are better than everyone else. Circle gets the square. ---
**Author:** ![JesterX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/439d5e/32.png) [@JesterX](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JesterX)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2014, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kissing-your-husband-while-black-not-if-the-lapd-can-help-it/698492/484 "2014-09-15T18:58:16Z")
> [@MandaJo](#): > > But if she had shown her ID, there wouldn’t have been a day in court. There wouldn’t have been any opportunity to address their behavior. How would that go? “They insisted on seeing my ID. I told them I didn’t want to, but showed them anyway to avoid the hassle”. Cops just say “We just asked. She showed us. Nothing improper”. > > There is no polite, entirely non-confrontational way to expose this kind of behavior. Which doesn’t mean it’s wrong to play along to stay safe–I wouldn’t blame anyone who does. But the only way to expose an implied threat is to make them make that threat explicit. No, there are local review boards that people can complain to. They can also bring it up with their elected representatives or even sue. As I said, it’s not immediate gratification, but it’s better than anyone getting hurt ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2014, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kissing-your-husband-while-black-not-if-the-lapd-can-help-it/698492/485 "2014-09-15T18:59:05Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Some people seem hellbent on finding themselves a hill to die on. And some prefer to live to kneel another day. That’s the way of things. ---
**Author:** ![joyfool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/df788c/32.png) [@joyfool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joyfool)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2014, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kissing-your-husband-while-black-not-if-the-lapd-can-help-it/698492/486 "2014-09-15T18:59:54Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > You’re not even good at this. What _are_ you good at? Is this a trick question? Posting a _lot_ to [del]brown nose[/del] support the police no matter how bad their behavior? > [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > It’s like some kind of weird fetish compels him to argue for expansive police powers. Repeatedly. Erroneously - I mean, in clearly demonstratively incorrect fashion. Across multiple threads over weeks and weeks. > > It’s really, really fascinating. I posit that either his father was a cop that beat this into him or his spouse is one that will never give up the nookie again if he doesn’t act like a fool at every opportunity to [del]brown nose[/del] support her profession. > [@Smapti](#): > > So it’s insisting that people should obey the law that’s morally equivalent to the Holocaust. > > Noted. And this is the only factual thing you’ve said in the tread. Good job at getting 1 out of 9,999 correct. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2014, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kissing-your-husband-while-black-not-if-the-lapd-can-help-it/698492/487 "2014-09-15T19:00:48Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > There are several kinds of “legitimate” interviews. > > A Terry stop allows the police to detain you, briefly, and ask questions. But in order to do a Terry stop, the police must have reasonable, articulable suspicion of a felony, or of a misdemeanor that threatens public safety. > > So what kind of interview was this one? (post shortened) The Terry Stop would be my choice. Police had a reasonable suspicion. The officer would have had a reasonable suspicion that a person(s) may be involved in criminal activity because they were at the reported location and met the descriptions of the suspected persons. Further investigation would have permitted the officer to stop the person for a brief time and take additional steps to investigate further. Hiibel contented that his conviction violated the Fifth Amendment’s prohibition on self-incrimination which, as I understand it, failed because the disclosure of his name and identity presented no reasonable danger of incrimination. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2014, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kissing-your-husband-while-black-not-if-the-lapd-can-help-it/698492/488 "2014-09-15T19:01:10Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Dropping the word “unlawful” into every single post doesn’t make it so. And some of us cite specific circuit court decisions or Constitutional Amendments, while others cite interpretations from random attorneys on the internet. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2014, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kissing-your-husband-while-black-not-if-the-lapd-can-help-it/698492/489 "2014-09-15T19:01:14Z")
> [@faithfool](#): > > And this is the only factual thing you’ve said in the tread. Good job at getting 1 out of 9,999 correct. So it’s wrong to obey the law. Why do you hate democracy so much? ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2014, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kissing-your-husband-while-black-not-if-the-lapd-can-help-it/698492/490 "2014-09-15T19:01:17Z")
> [@faithfool](#): > > Is this a trick question? Posting a _lot_ to [del]brown nose[/del] support the police no matter how bad their behavior? I guess my mistake was thinking of this as a character flaw instead of a skill. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2014, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kissing-your-husband-while-black-not-if-the-lapd-can-help-it/698492/491 "2014-09-15T19:01:35Z")
> [@monstro](#): > > The main reason why we have stupid, unethical police officers is because entirely way too many people try to make it easier for them to be stupid and unethical. > > If more citizens were emboldened enough to tell those fuckers “NO!” when its in their rights to do so (and they are fortunate enough to record the ordeal), then maybe we’d stop hearing so many stories about stupid, unethical law enforcement. Ultimately, we need more lawsuits, with the perp officers stripped of institutional protection and made to pay the damages out of their own pockets. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2014, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kissing-your-husband-while-black-not-if-the-lapd-can-help-it/698492/492 "2014-09-15T19:01:38Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Unlawful behavior such as what? Unlawful detainment. Cops can lawfully detain someone only under the circumstances laid out by **Bricker** in [this post](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=17733260&postcount=418). The detainment of Watts does not fall into any of these categories. If you disagree, which of the categories described by **Bricker** does this detainment fall under? ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2014, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kissing-your-husband-while-black-not-if-the-lapd-can-help-it/698492/493 "2014-09-15T19:02:14Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > And some of us cite specific circuit court decisions or Constitutional Amendments, while others cite interpretations from random attorneys on the internet. …and Bricker _isn’t_ a “random attorney on the internet”? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2014, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kissing-your-husband-while-black-not-if-the-lapd-can-help-it/698492/494 "2014-09-15T19:02:38Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > (post shortened) > > The Terry Stop would be my choice. Police had a reasonable suspicion. They did not have reasonable suspicion of a felony, only of a misdemeanor. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2014, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kissing-your-husband-while-black-not-if-the-lapd-can-help-it/698492/495 "2014-09-15T19:03:14Z")
> [@JesterX](#): > > You can file complaints for minor unlawful cop behavior with local review boards or, if you’re really that determined, you can file a lawsuit. The ACLU pretty much exists for that type of stuff. My overall point is, if you’re in a threatening encounter, the immediate goal is to get out of it, not in deeper. No, and… > [@Smapti](#): > > Some people seem hellbent on finding themselves a hill to die on. …Fucking hell, no. There is a bigger picture here that you’re both failing to see. Laws protecting your civil rights are important. They are not just a matter of principal, they are a matter of enforcement and protection from those who would violate them. It makes for a better society in general if cops aren’t seen as jackbooted fascists to be feared, mollified or obeyed at all costs. That’s not only good for citizens but for the cops themselves. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2014, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kissing-your-husband-while-black-not-if-the-lapd-can-help-it/698492/496 "2014-09-15T19:03:15Z")
> [@Steve\_MB](#): > > Ultimately, we need more lawsuits, with the perp officers stripped of institutional protection and made to pay the damages out of their own pockets. Who or what was “damaged” as a result of this encounter? ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2014, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kissing-your-husband-while-black-not-if-the-lapd-can-help-it/698492/497 "2014-09-15T19:03:48Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > (post shortened) > > The Terry Stop would be my choice. Police had a reasonable suspicion. > > The officer would have had a reasonable suspicion that a person(s) may be involved in criminal activity because they were at the reported location and met the descriptions of the suspected persons. Further investigation would have permitted the officer to stop the person for a brief time and take additional steps to investigate further. > > Hiibel contented that his conviction violated the Fifth Amendment’s prohibition on self-incrimination which, as I understand it, failed because the disclosure of his name and identity presented no reasonable danger of incrimination. Yes. And I thought as much too, when I started posting in this thread. But **Hentor** set me right: a Terry stop cannot rest on a completed misdemeanor, unless the misdemeanor is a threat to public safety. That rule is set out in a Ninth Circuit case called _United States v. Grigg_, 498 F.3d 1070 (9th Cir. 2007). ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2014, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kissing-your-husband-while-black-not-if-the-lapd-can-help-it/698492/498 "2014-09-15T19:03:50Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > …and Bricker _isn’t_ a “random attorney on the internet”? **Bricker** has cited established and applicable case law. You have not. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2014, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kissing-your-husband-while-black-not-if-the-lapd-can-help-it/698492/499 "2014-09-15T19:04:15Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > They did not have reasonable suspicion of a felony, only of a misdemeanor. They had reasonable suspicion of a _crime_. It was not their responsibility at the time to determine what specific charge/s were viable. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2014, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kissing-your-husband-while-black-not-if-the-lapd-can-help-it/698492/500 "2014-09-15T19:05:18Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > They had reasonable suspicion of a _crime_. It was not their responsibility at the time to determine what specific charge/s were viable. They had reasonable suspicion of a **misdemeanor**. They did not have reasonable suspicion of a felony. That is not enough for detainment. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kissing-your-husband-while-black-not-if-the-lapd-can-help-it/698492.md?page=24) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kissing-your-husband-while-black-not-if-the-lapd-can-help-it/698492.md?page=26)