# Kissing your husband while black? Not if the LAPD can help it. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 14, 2014, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kissing-your-husband-while-black-not-if-the-lapd-can-help-it/698492 "2014-09-14T19:21:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 40
**Author:** ![Fotheringay-Phipps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d9b06d/32.png) [@Fotheringay-Phipps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fotheringay-Phipps)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2014, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kissing-your-husband-while-black-not-if-the-lapd-can-help-it/698492/781 "2014-09-17T17:14:51Z")
> [@you\_with\_the\_face](#): > > And yet its indisputed that he was in the walkway (e.g. a public space), so what is your point? That it’s private except when it’s not? Well duh. No, it’s not undisputed. In fact it seems that he was sitting in one of the chairs at the time he was twice asked to leave by building security. Plus, per that cite, it’s not even clear that the walkways themselves are always public beyond “de facto access”. I don’t know if hanging around for 15 minutes when asked to move on is de facto access. > [@](#): > > Is it possible for you move on pass this issue and address the fact that cops tazed a man for not telling him his name? No. I don’t care about this guy getting tazed for not telling his name. I would think it’s a concern if an ordinary citizen can’t go about his own business without being tazed by cops. If self-entitled jerks can’t be in-your-face obnoxious without being tazed by cops is not nearly as troubling. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2014, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kissing-your-husband-while-black-not-if-the-lapd-can-help-it/698492/782 "2014-09-17T17:17:13Z")
> [@Fotheringay-Phipps](#): > > No, it’s not undisputed. In fact it seems that he was sitting in one of the chairs at the time he was twice asked to leave by building security. . **Guys can you take this hijack about some Minnesota issue to another thread?** ---
**Author:** ![you\_with\_the\_face](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ecccb3/32.png) [@you\_with\_the\_face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/you_with_the_face)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2014, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kissing-your-husband-while-black-not-if-the-lapd-can-help-it/698492/783 "2014-09-17T17:30:36Z")
> [@Fotheringay-Phipps](#): > > I would think it’s a concern if an ordinary citizen can’t go about his own business without being tazed by cops. If self-entitled jerks can’t be in-your-face obnoxious without being tazed by cops is not nearly as troubling. There was nothing that made this guy a “self-entitled jerk” except that he wasn’t afraid to assert his rights. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2014, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kissing-your-husband-while-black-not-if-the-lapd-can-help-it/698492/784 "2014-09-17T17:34:34Z")
> [@Cheesesteak](#): > > agreedIs this the standard by which we judge interactions with other humans, whether or not it’s a crime? > > You can assert your rights without being obnoxious. If you choose to be obnoxious while asserting your rights, I feel comfortable criticizing your behavior. When we are talking about a situation where crimes possibly being committed are the very reason for the situation’s existence in the first place, I think “whether or not it’s a crime” is a very reasonable standard to judge interactions with other humans. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2014, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kissing-your-husband-while-black-not-if-the-lapd-can-help-it/698492/785 "2014-09-17T17:37:35Z")
> [@you\_with\_the\_face](#): > > there was nothing that made this guy a “self-entitled jerk” except that he wasn’t afraid to assert his rights. stop this fucking hijack ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2014, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kissing-your-husband-while-black-not-if-the-lapd-can-help-it/698492/786 "2014-09-17T17:38:20Z")
> [@you\_with\_the\_face](#): > > There was nothing that made this guy a “self-entitled jerk” except that he wasn’t afraid to assert his rights. I’ve checked, but I can’t find a right to trespass in the Constitution. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2014, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kissing-your-husband-while-black-not-if-the-lapd-can-help-it/698492/787 "2014-09-17T17:38:34Z")
> [@Ethilrist](#): > > Another way of looking at it, if she was behaving in some other obnoxious way than getting mildly hostile and confrontational, such as replying to his question in limerick form, or haiku, would the cop be justified in cuffing her? Well, maybe if she mimed her response… [Mimes!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5srwCNx2Ti0) ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2014, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kissing-your-husband-while-black-not-if-the-lapd-can-help-it/698492/788 "2014-09-17T17:42:30Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > _Hiibel_ applies everywhere in the US. I think you mean California may not have chosen to take advantage of it. Thank you, yes; that is a prolly more accurate rendition of what I meant. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2014, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kissing-your-husband-while-black-not-if-the-lapd-can-help-it/698492/789 "2014-09-17T17:45:34Z")
> [@Omar\_Little](#): > > So you agree that it wasn’t harassment. The officer was legally entitled to ask for identification and detain the person, as he was following up on a 911 complaint about the couple having sex in a public place. No, the officer was not legally entitled to detain Miss Watts. ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2014, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kissing-your-husband-while-black-not-if-the-lapd-can-help-it/698492/790 "2014-09-17T17:46:57Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > stop this fucking hijack You can’t stop me from commenting, I know my rights! ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2014, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kissing-your-husband-while-black-not-if-the-lapd-can-help-it/698492/791 "2014-09-17T17:48:50Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > You left out the part where the employees had already asked the man to leave and he had refused and raised his voice at them as well, which overrides any posted sign or lack thereof. > > And that, in this case, this was _not_ a “completed” misdemeanor, as the act of trespassing was ongoing and the police had the right to detain him. > > **No harassment occurred here other than the harassment of the police by an unruly individual whose immediate response to any LE interaction is “THIS IS CAUSE I’M BLACK”.** (bolding mine) And you know this how? How many LE interactions with this person have you witnessed? ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2014, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kissing-your-husband-while-black-not-if-the-lapd-can-help-it/698492/792 "2014-09-17T17:49:36Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > stop this fucking hijack As someone who has been particularly engaged in this discussion, I contend that it is not a hijack. I also don’t know where you get off throwing your little dictator tantrum. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2014, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kissing-your-husband-while-black-not-if-the-lapd-can-help-it/698492/793 "2014-09-17T17:51:46Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > As someone who has been particularly engaged in this discussion, I contend that it is not a hijack. I also don’t know where you get off throwing your little dictator tantrum. Clearly, he has a duty to stand up for his rights in the face of false claims of authority from would-be fascists like the rest of us. Why are you disrespecting a courageous American hero? ---
**Author:** ![you\_with\_the\_face](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ecccb3/32.png) [@you\_with\_the\_face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/you_with_the_face)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2014, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kissing-your-husband-while-black-not-if-the-lapd-can-help-it/698492/794 "2014-09-17T17:52:34Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > stop this fucking hijack I’m sorry. Are you a mod? ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2014, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kissing-your-husband-while-black-not-if-the-lapd-can-help-it/698492/795 "2014-09-17T17:54:58Z")
> [@you\_with\_the\_face](#): > > I’m sorry. Are you a mod? No. but I am not a rude asshole who insist upon hijacking a thread for her personal gratification and wont stop even after a reasonable request. :mad: And now, we we have a hijack about the hijack. :smack: ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2014, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kissing-your-husband-while-black-not-if-the-lapd-can-help-it/698492/796 "2014-09-17T17:55:59Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > As someone who has been particularly engaged in this discussion, I contend that it is not a hijack. I also don’t know where you get off throwing your little dictator tantrum. Is it about the case in the OP? No. Thus, a hijack. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2014, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kissing-your-husband-while-black-not-if-the-lapd-can-help-it/698492/797 "2014-09-17T17:56:33Z")
> [@Omar\_Little](#): > > You’ve missed the point that he was legally entitled to ask for her ID and detain her. > > ['Django Unchained' Actress Detained By Police Following Public Display Of Affection - CBS Los Angeles](http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2014/09/14/django-unchained-actress-daniele-watts-accosted-by-police-following-public-display-of-affection/) Please cite where that entitlement is granted. More specifically, start with the Fourth Amendment as a foundation, and then cite any official sources limiting those rights. Please read the US v Grigg text, which articulates the balance between individual liberty from being officially detained versus the public interest to prevent harm. ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2014, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kissing-your-husband-while-black-not-if-the-lapd-can-help-it/698492/798 "2014-09-17T18:00:01Z")
> [@you\_with\_the\_face](#): > > And yet its indisputed that he was in the walkway (e.g. a public space), so what is your point? That it’s private except when it’s not? Well duh. I think this is still a bit murky. Some of the skyways are completely public, some are private, some utilize a public easement that allow for “ingress and egress” but the “operations” is private and they allow the private owner to close the skyway outside of business hours. If a private property owner can close a skyway every night, it ain’t public, and they have the right to tell you to “move along”. If a detailed legal analysis of the ownership/management/easement rights of the piece of property he was on shows us that it IS private, the police were 100% legally justified in asking for ID, detaining him for identification purposes, and arresting him for trespass. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2014, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kissing-your-husband-while-black-not-if-the-lapd-can-help-it/698492/799 "2014-09-17T18:08:14Z")
> [@you\_with\_the\_face](#): > > I’m sorry. Are you a mod? OK,that’s it. Give me your name. NOW! Give me your name!! And ID. Show ID. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2014, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kissing-your-husband-while-black-not-if-the-lapd-can-help-it/698492/800 "2014-09-17T18:11:02Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > No, they Tased him for repeatedly trying to walk away while he was lawfully detained and for refusing to allow them to handcuff him. He was not being lawfully detained. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kissing-your-husband-while-black-not-if-the-lapd-can-help-it/698492.md?page=39) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kissing-your-husband-while-black-not-if-the-lapd-can-help-it/698492.md?page=41)