# Kissing your husband while black? Not if the LAPD can help it. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 14, 2014, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kissing-your-husband-while-black-not-if-the-lapd-can-help-it/698492 "2014-09-14T19:21:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 51
**Author:** ![you\_with\_the\_face](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ecccb3/32.png) [@you\_with\_the\_face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/you_with_the_face)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2014, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kissing-your-husband-while-black-not-if-the-lapd-can-help-it/698492/1001 "2014-09-18T15:18:59Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > And he did not leave the vicinity already - that’s why the security guard called the cops. He refused to leave, twice. He did not leave the vicinity until the first cop showed up. He left before the cop even came up to him. _He_ approached _her_ and then together they walked away, with her hounding him for his name and he refusing to give it to her. She hadn’t even talked to the security guard at the scene or surveyed the area where he’d been sitting. Given what little detective work went into her “investigation”, she could have easily been harassing the wrong guy. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2014, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kissing-your-husband-while-black-not-if-the-lapd-can-help-it/698492/1002 "2014-09-18T15:20:13Z")
> [@you\_with\_the\_face](#): > > No, it is not a big deal to give your cops your name…if you know for a fact that the cops won’t use that information to fabricate probable cause and charge you with a crime you didn’t commit. Sadly, black people have never had the confidence that this won’t happen to them. And how is it the police’s problem that some of their charges are paranoid and irrational? ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2014, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kissing-your-husband-while-black-not-if-the-lapd-can-help-it/698492/1003 "2014-09-18T15:21:19Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > If they have suspicion that a murderer is hiding in a given neighborhood, then yes, or do you believe that Dzokhar Tsarnaev should be a free man today? Wait, do you think that the police entered privatre property without permission or a warrant to search for Dzokhar Tsarnaev? > [@](#): > > If they have suspicion that a certain person might be a murderer or be involved with one, then yes, or do you believe Gary Ridgway should be a free man today? You know they had a warrant for his arrest, right? ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2014, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kissing-your-husband-while-black-not-if-the-lapd-can-help-it/698492/1004 "2014-09-18T15:21:31Z")
> [@IvoryTowerDenizen](#): > > That is so untrue to be laughable. > > And if you’re specifically referring to recent gains in SSM, part of why more rapid progress has been made is because of the work that was done for civil rights in the 50, 60 and 70s, that was used as examples and precedent. It’s not coincidence that many SSM arguments references the _Loving_ decision. And the Loving decision was not made on the basis of how many skulls got cracked. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2014, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kissing-your-husband-while-black-not-if-the-lapd-can-help-it/698492/1005 "2014-09-18T15:22:33Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > The idea that that the government’s role is to subject you to violence for a legal act is disgusting. The government has the same responsibility towards a citizen who is screaming and throwing a tantrum during a police stop as a parent has to a two-year-old who is screaming and throwing a tantrum when told he can’t have any candy. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2014, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kissing-your-husband-while-black-not-if-the-lapd-can-help-it/698492/1006 "2014-09-18T15:23:59Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > And let’s say that his next victim was your wife/daughter/other significant relation. > > Would you still be so willing to throw your hands up in the air and say “That’s the price we pay for freedom”? Then why not jsut get rid of teh 4th 5th and 6th amendments. The criminals that manage to stay out of jail because of these rights probably commit a disproportionate number of rapes, murders and crimes in general than the rest of the population. Sure some innocent people end up in jail and our country moves towards a police state but “that is the price we pay for security” right? ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2014, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kissing-your-husband-while-black-not-if-the-lapd-can-help-it/698492/1007 "2014-09-18T15:24:01Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > The government has the same responsibility towards a citizen who is screaming and throwing a tantrum during a police stop as a parent has to a two-year-old who is screaming and throwing a tantrum when told he can’t have any candy. i.e., to resist throwing them to the ground, tasing them, shooting them, that kind of thing. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2014, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kissing-your-husband-while-black-not-if-the-lapd-can-help-it/698492/1008 "2014-09-18T15:26:58Z")
> [@JesterX](#): > > Well, that’s actually a duck. The point is, what you’re saying the cops SHOULD do when interacting with potential criminals, would actually allow hardened, wanted, criminals to get away on occasion. I think thats how our system has worked since at least the Warren court. ---
**Author:** ![you\_with\_the\_face](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ecccb3/32.png) [@you\_with\_the\_face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/you_with_the_face)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2014, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kissing-your-husband-while-black-not-if-the-lapd-can-help-it/698492/1009 "2014-09-18T15:27:01Z")
> [@Cheesesteak](#): > > Isn’t lying to the police during an investigation a crime in and of itself? How would the cops be able to ascertain that he was lying? They didn’t ask for his ID. They asked for his name. I’m sure there is at least one person in this world named Ham Sandwich. The guy’s name has as much material value to their “investigation” as his weight or age. If he lied about his age, you think they’d have grounds to charge him for obstruction of justice? The idea that this might seem plausible to you is pretty fascinating. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2014, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kissing-your-husband-while-black-not-if-the-lapd-can-help-it/698492/1010 "2014-09-18T15:29:29Z")
> [@Cheesesteak](#): > > Fools are people who don’t know what they’re doing. Rosa knew damn well what she was doing, and why, and had a good idea what was going to happen to her when she challenged an unjust law. > > Watts is a fool. Do you think she knows the fine legal points that attorneys like Bricker and legal experts on the media got wrong the first time around? She’s a blind squirrel that stumbled on a nut. It’s not even a nut that actually has anything to do with race, except in her own mind. There was nothing inappropriate about the police investigating the complaint, they just had no right to demand ID. The reason people think it has something to do withr ace is that the case for prostitution is weak and people suspect that it was because a black woman was with a white man. If the woman had been white, I don’t think the cops would have jumped to prostitution. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2014, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kissing-your-husband-while-black-not-if-the-lapd-can-help-it/698492/1011 "2014-09-18T15:30:29Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > What law forbids an officer from asking a suspect her name? The law forbids them from arresting someone for failing to respond to that request in cases like this. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2014, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kissing-your-husband-while-black-not-if-the-lapd-can-help-it/698492/1012 "2014-09-18T15:32:37Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > What _law_ prohibits them from detaining her? > **[Constitution of the United States](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_the_United_States_of_America)** > > The Constitution of the United States is the supreme law of the United States. It superseded the Articles of Confederation, the nation's first constitution, on March 4, 1789. Originally including seven articles, the Constitution delineates the frame of the federal government. The Constitution's first three articles embody the doctrine of the separation of powers, in which the federal government is divided into three branches: the legislative, consisting of the bicameral Congress (Article I... ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2014, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kissing-your-husband-while-black-not-if-the-lapd-can-help-it/698492/1013 "2014-09-18T15:34:56Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > And the Loving decision was not made on the basis of how many skulls got cracked. Um, I never said it was. It was born out of the shifting attitudes that civil rights movement (both peaceful and not) gave rise to. Therefore (since missing the point as explicit as possible seems to be the best course here)… Civil rights movements sometimes involved violence towards the protesters and others involved. This public and over the top mistreatment helped, in part, to sway public attitudes. Sways in public attitude helped gain support and eventually changed policies (for example, _Loving_). These changed attitudes and past precedents was a foundation that other civil rights movements (feminism and gay rights for example) in part built upon. The existence of those precedents made it easier for SSM and other gay-rights to be won. Let’s also not forget that suffragettes were also subject to police brutality at the beginning of the previous century. It’s a common theme- sometimes fighting for your rights gets violent. The violence in and of itself does not mean the fight was wrong or mishandled. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2014, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kissing-your-husband-while-black-not-if-the-lapd-can-help-it/698492/1014 "2014-09-18T15:37:36Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > No, there is nothing in the lobby that indicates that the security guard was to be disbelieved. Except for the lack of a sign indicating that it is not a public area. Oh, and the presence of the general public walking through and using the chairs, as seen in the bank surveillance video. > [@Shodan](#): > > [Nor is this the first time a security guard has stated that the area is private.](http://blogs.citypages.com/blotter/2014/09/pioneer_press_photog_told_to_stop_shooting_in_private_st_paul_skyway.php) From your link: > [@](#): > > – Update – Grewing told the Pioneer Press that the stretch of skyway in question is indeed a public area, so it appears First National Bank Building security guards and the St. Paul city attorney are operating with different interpretations of the law. So is it your contention that if the security guard asserts something enough times it becomes fact? ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2014, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kissing-your-husband-while-black-not-if-the-lapd-can-help-it/698492/1015 "2014-09-18T15:41:09Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Then why not jsut get rid of teh 4th 5th and 6th amendments. The criminals that manage to stay out of jail because of these rights probably commit a disproportionate number of rapes, murders and crimes in general than the rest of the population. Sure some innocent people end up in jail and our country moves towards a police state but “that is the price we pay for security” right? I can’t help but notice that isn’t an answer to the question you quoted. ---
**Author:** ![Fotheringay-Phipps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d9b06d/32.png) [@Fotheringay-Phipps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fotheringay-Phipps)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2014, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kissing-your-husband-while-black-not-if-the-lapd-can-help-it/698492/1016 "2014-09-18T15:44:34Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > The reason people think it has something to do withr ace is that the case for prostitution is weak and people suspect that it was because a black woman was with a white man. If the woman had been white, I don’t think the cops would have jumped to prostitution. The cops didn’t jump to prostitution. That seems to have been dreamed up by the woman’s boyfriend. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2014, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kissing-your-husband-while-black-not-if-the-lapd-can-help-it/698492/1017 "2014-09-18T15:45:06Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > So, if I understand **Bricker** correctly, the police had the right to briefly detain him. **His reaction to the detention was to begin screaming at them.** > > Of course you (meaning **you with the face** ) have shown yourself to be incredibly stubborn even when shown to be wrong beyond any reasonable doubt, as happened in the various Zimmerman-Martin threads as well as the Duke lacrosse thread, so I don’t expect you to see reason here. But it amuses me to point out your errors and watch you pretend. So there’s that. > > Regards, > Shodan I must have missed that part of the video; could you specify the time in the video that Mr. Lollie began screaming at the police officers? Because to the best of my recollection he never did that. ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2014, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kissing-your-husband-while-black-not-if-the-lapd-can-help-it/698492/1018 "2014-09-18T15:48:33Z")
> [@you\_with\_the\_face](#): > > How would the cops be able to ascertain that he was lying? They didn’t ask for his ID. They asked for his name. I’m sure there is at least one person in this world named Ham Sandwich. > > The guy’s name has as much material value to their “investigation” as his weight or age. If he lied about his age, you think they’d have grounds to charge him for obstruction of justice? The idea that this might seem plausible to you is pretty fascinating. Of course it’s plausible, it [actually happens](http://www.wfmz.com/news/news-regional-lehighvalley/Local/allentown-man-busted-for-giving-police-false-name/26750280). I just don’t know if giving a false name all on its own, if you’re just fucking with the cops, is a crime or if it has to be in conjuction with some other purpose like trying to avoid getting picked up on a warrant, like this guy was. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2014, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kissing-your-husband-while-black-not-if-the-lapd-can-help-it/698492/1019 "2014-09-18T15:50:08Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > The government has the same responsibility towards a citizen who is screaming and throwing a tantrum during a police stop as a parent has to a two-year-old who is screaming and throwing a tantrum when told he can’t have any candy. Nope. Rights are rights. Screaming and throwing tantrums does not deprive you of them. And if you truly think so then you really don’t have any respect for the concepts if human rights it legal rights. The government is not our parents. And even parents aren’t allowed to violently soup press their children for throwing tantrums and screaming. I might also point out that tasers can kill or gravely injure people, either from the shock of the device itself or from the resulting fall. You’re comfortable with what is essentially a summary execution for throwing a tantrum or screaming? ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2014, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kissing-your-husband-while-black-not-if-the-lapd-can-help-it/698492/1020 "2014-09-18T15:50:39Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > No, there is nothing in the lobby that indicates that the security guard was to be disbelieved. > [Nor is this the first time a security guard has stated that the area is private.](http://blogs.citypages.com/blotter/2014/09/pioneer_press_photog_told_to_stop_shooting_in_private_st_paul_skyway.php) > My bad - this was AM not PM. The Watts incident occurred on a public street, what are you talking about? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kissing-your-husband-while-black-not-if-the-lapd-can-help-it/698492.md?page=50) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kissing-your-husband-while-black-not-if-the-lapd-can-help-it/698492.md?page=52)