# Kissing your husband while black? Not if the LAPD can help it. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 14, 2014, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kissing-your-husband-while-black-not-if-the-lapd-can-help-it/698492 "2014-09-14T19:21:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 52
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2014, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kissing-your-husband-while-black-not-if-the-lapd-can-help-it/698492/1021 "2014-09-18T15:51:11Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Only well-behaved _people_ deserve good treatment. I don’t care what ethnicity you are - if you want to piss and moan and throw a temper tantrum when you’re asked to obey the law, you deserve to have some common sense Tased into you. We’ve long ago established that neither Miss Watts nor Mr. Lollie were being asked to obey the law. In fact, we’ve long ago established that the only people involved in either of these siuations NOT following the law and NOT knowing what the law is were the people charged with enforcing the laws, all of whom failed spectacularly in their duties. And you are here defending their failures, endlessly. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2014, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kissing-your-husband-while-black-not-if-the-lapd-can-help-it/698492/1022 "2014-09-18T15:52:07Z")
If Tasering is a summary execution then a tantrum is first degree murder. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2014, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kissing-your-husband-while-black-not-if-the-lapd-can-help-it/698492/1023 "2014-09-18T15:52:15Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > We’ve long ago established that neither Miss Watts nor Mr. Lollie were being asked to obey the law. In fact, we’ve long ago established that the only people involved in either of these siuations NOT following the law and NOT knowing what the law is were the people charged with enforcing the laws, all of whom failed spectacularly in their duties. We’ve established no such thing - quite the contrary, in fact. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2014, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kissing-your-husband-while-black-not-if-the-lapd-can-help-it/698492/1024 "2014-09-18T15:52:42Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > And how is it the police’s problem that some of their charges are paranoid and irrational? You think it’s paranoid or irrational for black people to believe that they are frequently subject as a group to mistreatment by the police? ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2014, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kissing-your-husband-while-black-not-if-the-lapd-can-help-it/698492/1025 "2014-09-18T15:52:54Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Bull. We achieved same-sex equality in this country without people getting their skulls cracked in. We did??? When did we do that? [/QUOTE] ---
**Author:** ![you\_with\_the\_face](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ecccb3/32.png) [@you\_with\_the\_face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/you_with_the_face)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2014, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kissing-your-husband-while-black-not-if-the-lapd-can-help-it/698492/1026 "2014-09-18T15:54:01Z")
> [@Cheesesteak](#): > > Of course it’s plausible, it [actually happens](http://www.wfmz.com/news/news-regional-lehighvalley/Local/allentown-man-busted-for-giving-police-false-name/26750280). When it’s material to their investigation. The guy’s name, weight, and age were immaterial to whether he was trespassing. I don’t know what is so hard to get about this. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2014, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kissing-your-husband-while-black-not-if-the-lapd-can-help-it/698492/1027 "2014-09-18T15:55:03Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > You think it’s paranoid or irrational for black people to believe that they are frequently subject as a group to mistreatment by the police? Not just “the police”, but the fucking LAPD,which has “a reputation” well deserved. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2014, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kissing-your-husband-while-black-not-if-the-lapd-can-help-it/698492/1028 "2014-09-18T15:55:07Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > If Tasering is a summary execution then a tantrum is first degree murder. > > Regards, > Shodan Because of the significant probability that a tantrum and screaming will result in serious injury or death? ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2014, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kissing-your-husband-while-black-not-if-the-lapd-can-help-it/698492/1029 "2014-09-18T15:55:10Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > Nope. Rights are rights. Screaming and throwing tantrums does not deprive you of them. Rights are the privilege of civilized human beings. If you want to act uncivilized, then you’re not entitled to any rights you can’t physically force the rest of the world to acknowledge. > [@](#): > > The government is not our parents. Sure it is. > [@](#): > > And even parents aren’t allowed to violently soup press their children for throwing tantrums and screaming. I hope “soup press” was an autocorrect error, because otherwise this line is just making me giggle. > [@](#): > > I might also point out that tasers can kill or gravely injure people, either from the shock of the device itself or from the resulting fall. You’re comfortable with what is essentially a summary execution for throwing a tantrum or screaming? It is good to kill an admiral from time to time, in order to encourage the others. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2014, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kissing-your-husband-while-black-not-if-the-lapd-can-help-it/698492/1030 "2014-09-18T15:56:13Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > You think it’s paranoid or irrational for black people to believe that they are frequently subject as a group to mistreatment by the police? Yes, because the only examples of “mistreatment” we’ve seen so far had nothing to do with the suspect’s race and everything to do with the suspect’s paranoia. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2014, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kissing-your-husband-while-black-not-if-the-lapd-can-help-it/698492/1031 "2014-09-18T15:57:23Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > The Watts incident occurred on a public street, what are you talking about? Oh, I get it! This is some sort of performance art where you pretend that you have the authority to dictate what we talk about here, and we respond by asserting our rights over your false claim to power, right? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2014, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kissing-your-husband-while-black-not-if-the-lapd-can-help-it/698492/1032 "2014-09-18T15:58:57Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Yes, because the only examples of “mistreatment” we’ve seen so far had nothing to do with the suspect’s race and everything to do with the suspect’s paranoia. What do you mean “so far”? There has been plenty of discussion of mistreatment based on race from American history. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2014, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kissing-your-husband-while-black-not-if-the-lapd-can-help-it/698492/1033 "2014-09-18T16:00:45Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > What do you mean “so far”? There has been plenty of discussion of mistreatment based on race from American history. “From American history” as in “not currently”, as in “occurred once but occurs no longer”. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2014, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kissing-your-husband-while-black-not-if-the-lapd-can-help-it/698492/1034 "2014-09-18T16:01:29Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Rights are the privilege of civilized human beings. If you want to act uncivilized, then you’re not entitled to any rights you can’t physically force the rest of the world to acknowledge. 1. That is not the law of any civilized country. Rights are inherent and can it be deprived without due process. There is no tat for entitlement to rights, and if there were, it would be before a disinterested tribunal with due process, not in a street encounter with a cop. 2. You think civilized people never throw tantrums or scream? Are you deluded? Sure it is. I hope “soup press” was an autocorrect error, because otherwise this line is just making me giggle. It is good to kill an admiral from time to time, in order to encourage the others. [/QUOTE] Oh. I see now. You’re a troll. ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2014, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kissing-your-husband-while-black-not-if-the-lapd-can-help-it/698492/1035 "2014-09-18T16:02:43Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Yes, because the only examples of “mistreatment” we’ve seen so far had nothing to do with the suspect’s race and everything to do with the suspect’s paranoia. Look up “stop and frisk” and see how badly implemented and fraught with racial biases that has been and is ongoing today. And not for nothing, perception is reality. As a community servant (as in “to serve and protect”), if historical mistreatment has lead to current mistrust it actually is the responsibility of police to address this head-on in how they do their jobs. It’s not just touchy-feely “PC” crap- building trust within the community is critical to doing good policing. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2014, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kissing-your-husband-while-black-not-if-the-lapd-can-help-it/698492/1036 "2014-09-18T16:03:00Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > The Watts incident occurred on a public street, what are you talking about? The Lollie incident that happened in St Paul. The thread has progressed. [QUOTE=Acsenray] Because of the significant probability that a tantrum and screaming will result in serious injury or death? [/QUOTE] Yes. If you are Tasered, you might fall down and hit your head and die. If you pitch a tantrum, you might also fall down and hit your head and die. Therefore pitching a tantrum is a suicide attempt, or murder if the police try to detain you. > [@Snowboarder Bo](#): > > must have missed that part of the video; could you specify the time in the video that Mr. Lollie began screaming at the police officers? [Here](http://www.kare11.com/story/news/local/2014/09/10/st-paul-police-to-release-skyway-arrest-video/15379285/). I think I cited it already - if so, then Shodan’s Rule applies. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2014, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kissing-your-husband-while-black-not-if-the-lapd-can-help-it/698492/1037 "2014-09-18T16:03:05Z")
> [@MaxTheVool](#): > > I suppose you could argue that yelling and screaming is more likely to make the incident end up with a million views on youtube if someone is recording it… but those million views will be a million people who end up having the same argument we’re having here, because they’ll see someone being unpleasant and abusive which will cloud the cop-overstepping-authority side of the issue. Mr. Lollie was very calm during his encounter with the police, but that hasn’t stopped Shodan from claiming that he was “screaming at” the police; I’m sure other forums (including Youtube) show more of the same kind of thing. Some people are jerks and will not let facts get in the way of their opinions. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2014, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kissing-your-husband-while-black-not-if-the-lapd-can-help-it/698492/1038 "2014-09-18T16:03:30Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > “From American history” as in “not currently”, as in “occurred once but occurs no longer”. So you don’t believe that any police officer in America, in the present day, treats black people differently based on race? ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2014, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kissing-your-husband-while-black-not-if-the-lapd-can-help-it/698492/1039 "2014-09-18T16:04:34Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > The reason people think it has something to do withr ace is that the case for prostitution is weak and people suspect that it was because a black woman was with a white man. If the woman had been white, I don’t think the cops would have jumped to prostitution. Besides being an asshole, Watts is also a liar. Watts and her boyfriend introduced the prostitution angle and the racism charge. Watts, not the police. The lame stream media jumped at the chance to publish something that the hadn’t investigated but knew would increase their ratings. Many people chose to believe Watts and the one-sided media version. Watts needs to get better legal advice from her publicist. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2014, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kissing-your-husband-while-black-not-if-the-lapd-can-help-it/698492/1040 "2014-09-18T16:04:40Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > That she refused to identify herself when asked. By that logic a cop could use the fact that someone didn’t consent to a search of their house without a warrant as reasoanble suspicion. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kissing-your-husband-while-black-not-if-the-lapd-can-help-it/698492.md?page=51) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kissing-your-husband-while-black-not-if-the-lapd-can-help-it/698492.md?page=53)