# Kissing your husband while black? Not if the LAPD can help it. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 14, 2014, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kissing-your-husband-while-black-not-if-the-lapd-can-help-it/698492 "2014-09-14T19:21:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 66
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2014, 1:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kissing-your-husband-while-black-not-if-the-lapd-can-help-it/698492/1301 "2014-09-23T13:12:54Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Her husband’s account says that they kept asking him if she was really his girlfriend and the cops seemed to be insinuating that she was a prostitute. THATS where the husband’s statements about prostitution come from. If it was her husband, why did she refer to him as her boyfriend? The police made no insinuation about prostitution. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![grude](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47774/32.png) [@grude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/grude)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2014, 1:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kissing-your-husband-while-black-not-if-the-lapd-can-help-it/698492/1302 "2014-09-23T13:22:35Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Her husband’s account says that they kept asking him if she was really his girlfriend and the cops seemed to be insinuating that she was a prostitute. THATS where the husband’s statements about prostitution come from. I don’t think there are a lot of women who wouldn’t get angry and loud if a cop insinuated they were a prostitute. I can’t believe the cop didn’t realize exactly what reaction he would get. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2014, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kissing-your-husband-while-black-not-if-the-lapd-can-help-it/698492/1303 "2014-09-23T14:09:15Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > If it was her husband, why did she refer to him as her boyfriend? The police made no insinuation about prostitution. > > Regards, > Shodan I’m confused. Was she with her boyfriend or her husband? And you have no idea what the cop did or did not insinuate. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2014, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kissing-your-husband-while-black-not-if-the-lapd-can-help-it/698492/1304 "2014-09-23T14:27:27Z")
Read the thread, genius. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2014, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kissing-your-husband-while-black-not-if-the-lapd-can-help-it/698492/1305 "2014-09-23T14:42:43Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > I am not a California lawyer but the issues surrounding a terry stop seems like something that would be well trodden ground. That UCLA clinic professor sounds like he is either misunderstanding the facts or misunderstanding the law. I thought we had agreed that the cops could not detain the woman in the first place under California law. They can chase her down the street asking her for ID all they want but they cannot detain her without probable cause of a felony or a continuing or dangerous misdemeanor. Or at least that is what I thought we had established. > > So how can they arrest her for failure to produce ID even if it was with attitude? (underline added) They didn’t arrest Watts for failure to produce ID. **Hentor the Barbarian** was nice enough to provided a case, U.S. v. Grigg, that seems to suggests that the 9th Circuit Court ruling wouldn’t permit a Terry Stop for a completed misdemeanor, if there were no threat to public safety. I think it’s important to note that Grigg was decided in 2007. _…We hold that under the balancing test set forth in Hensley, a court reviewing the reasonableness of a stop to investigate a past misdemeanor (or other minor infraction) must assess the potential risk to public safety associated with the nature of the offense.   Under the circumstances here, it was unreasonable for the Nampa police to pull over Grigg on suspicion of having played his music too loudly where they did not duly consider the lack of any threat to public safety, especially given the untested alternative means of ascertaining Grigg’s identity.   The motion to suppress was erroneously denied.10  We reverse Grigg’s conviction and remand to the district court for further proceedings consistent with this opinion_. - See more at: [http://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-9th-circuit/1398918.html#sthash.0ujdYipr.dpuf](http://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-9th-circuit/1398918.html#sthash.0ujdYipr.dpuf) It’s now 2014 and the LAPD seems to be adamant that their officers can detain Watts and request her to identify herself, but not necessarily producing an actual ID of some sort. (_Hello. I’m Daniele Watts and I’m just “acting” like a whore. You know, practicing for a future role in a movie I haven’t been offered yet_.) What part(s) of this puzzle is still missing? Hasn’t a LA not-public-safety-related completed-misdemeanor-detainment been challenged in a California court as opposed to the Nampa, Idaho court? Has another, more recent case, altered the Grigg ruling? Do the LA prosecutors drop criminal charges, or plea bargain down any charges, if there is a chance that a detained person may challenge the LAPD ID detainment policy? Lawyers, experts, and instructors/professors still seem to disagree on whether a detained person needs to identify themselves. Why isn’t Grigg currently considered the final word in the 9th Circuit district by California PD’s and state attorneys? What’s missing? Next, as far as I’m concerned, the Hollyweird actress and the chef wanted the public to see them having sex in the car. Broad daylight, car door open, hands and feet sticking out of the car, some 5 feet from a public sidewalk, surrounded by occupied buildings with windows facing their parking place, ignoring the personal request that they stop doing the ol’ hibidy dibity in public, waiting for the cops to show up, ranting like a deranged lunatic when police dared to questioned the chef first, threatening the officer with her publicist, etc. The lame stream media promoted the one-sided story until eye-witnesses, videos, and pictures began to be released. Oops. Maybe the LSM should have spent a few minutes verifying the story BEFORE they went with the ratings-boosting version? ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2014, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kissing-your-husband-while-black-not-if-the-lapd-can-help-it/698492/1306 "2014-09-23T14:50:06Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > I’m confused. Was she with her boyfriend or her husband? (post shortened) Are you requesting a video of the not-married ceremony or a picture ID of an unused marriage license? ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2014, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kissing-your-husband-while-black-not-if-the-lapd-can-help-it/698492/1307 "2014-09-23T15:05:58Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > If it was her husband, why did she refer to him as her boyfriend? Not every relationship is typical. Pennsylvania doesn’t have common-law marriage, yet we’ve taken to introducing ourselves as husband and wife even though we haven’t formalized our relationship with the state. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2014, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kissing-your-husband-while-black-not-if-the-lapd-can-help-it/698492/1308 "2014-09-23T15:44:59Z")
This was California, and Watts didn’t introduce anyone as her husband. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Hooleehootoo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/eada6e/32.png) [@Hooleehootoo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hooleehootoo)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2014, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kissing-your-husband-while-black-not-if-the-lapd-can-help-it/698492/1309 "2014-09-23T15:51:22Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > They didn’t arrest Watts for failure to produce ID. Was Watts arrested at all? I thought an arrest would require probable cause of a felony. I thought she was **detained** for the reason that she either would not identify herself and/or produce ID. How much of this is incorrect? ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2014, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kissing-your-husband-while-black-not-if-the-lapd-can-help-it/698492/1310 "2014-09-23T15:51:35Z")
As far as I can tell at this point, ‘husband’ was the invention of whatever tabloid decided to blow this non-story out of proportion in the first place. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2014, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kissing-your-husband-while-black-not-if-the-lapd-can-help-it/698492/1311 "2014-09-23T17:41:56Z")
> [@Hooleehootoo](#): > > Was Watts arrested at all? I thought an arrest would require probable cause of a felony. I thought she was **detained** for the reason that she either would not identify herself and/or produce ID. How much of this is incorrect? Watts was not arrested. Watts was detained. Watts was handcuffed. Watts was eventually released from the detention. Watts “acted” in a disturbed manner during the original police interview (IMHO, of course). Watts walked away from the original interview. Watts was brought back to the original interviewer by one, or more, other officers. Watts is an attention-seeking asshole. I wouldn’t let the horny, attention-seeking chef touch my food. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2014, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kissing-your-husband-while-black-not-if-the-lapd-can-help-it/698492/1312 "2014-09-23T17:56:58Z")
Except it wasn’t merely kissing, it wasn’t her husband, and it wasn’t because she was black. The LAPD was involved, so there’s that. [QUOTE=doorhinge] I wouldn’t let the horny, attention-seeking chef touch my food. [/QUOTE] Sign over the door in his restroom - “Employees Must Wash Hands After Humping Their Girlfriends Before Returning To Work” Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2014, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kissing-your-husband-while-black-not-if-the-lapd-can-help-it/698492/1313 "2014-09-23T18:32:41Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > The lame stream media promoted the one-sided story until eye-witnesses, videos, and pictures began to be released. Oops. Maybe the LSM should have spent a few minutes verifying the story BEFORE they went with the ratings-boosting version? Damn, that’s a lot of ignorance right there; hard to believe it happened so late in the thread, but there it is. ---
**Author:** ![Drunky\_Smurf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drunky_smurf/32/449_2.png) [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2014, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kissing-your-husband-while-black-not-if-the-lapd-can-help-it/698492/1314 "2014-09-23T21:00:28Z")
How is it ignorance. The first couple of days of hearing about this on the news was all “Racist Cop news at eleven.” ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2014, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kissing-your-husband-while-black-not-if-the-lapd-can-help-it/698492/1315 "2014-09-23T21:14:22Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > Damn, that’s a lot of ignorance right there; hard to believe it happened so late in the thread, but there it is. I agree with **Drunky Smurf** and ask you where the ignorance is in that statement. It sounds perfectly accurate. ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2014, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kissing-your-husband-while-black-not-if-the-lapd-can-help-it/698492/1316 "2014-09-23T21:25:04Z")
Honestly, using the term Lame Stream Media causes my eyes to roll into the back of my head, so I tend to miss any relevant points made afterwards. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2014, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kissing-your-husband-while-black-not-if-the-lapd-can-help-it/698492/1317 "2014-09-23T21:30:17Z")
> [@Cheesesteak](#): > > Honestly, using the term Lame Stream Media causes my eyes to roll into the back of my head, so I tend to miss any relevant points made afterwards. Yeah, I’d have to agree with that, too. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2014, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kissing-your-husband-while-black-not-if-the-lapd-can-help-it/698492/1318 "2014-09-24T00:17:49Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > Damn, that’s a lot of ignorance right there; hard to believe it happened so late in the thread, but there it is. You may have arrived late to the party? The Hollyweird actress and the chef spent the first several days blathering, unchallenged by the media, about their “ordeal” and made several personal appearances on the morning shows. I guess it pays to have a publicist. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2014, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kissing-your-husband-while-black-not-if-the-lapd-can-help-it/698492/1319 "2014-09-24T00:24:26Z")
> [@Cheesesteak](#): > > Honestly, using the term Lame Stream Media causes my eyes to roll into the back of my head, so I tend to miss any relevant points made afterwards. That’s good to know. I’m not sure what I’ll be able to do with such a disclosure but it’s still good to know. Thanks for sharing. ---
**Author:** ![OneChance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/74df32/32.png) [@OneChance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OneChance)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2014, 4:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kissing-your-husband-while-black-not-if-the-lapd-can-help-it/698492/1320 "2014-09-24T04:58:18Z")
Not sure if this has been posted, but this article came out a few days ago: > **[Civil Rights Activists Call on ‘Django Unchained’ Actress to Apologize to LAPD](https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/civil-rights-activists-call-django-734505/)** > > Several advocates are changing their stance on Daniele Watts’ incendiary Facebook post: “It’s like crying wolf” _Civil rights leaders who initially defended Django Unchained actress Daniele Watts in her dispute with the Los Angeles Police Department are now calling on her to apologize._ [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kissing-your-husband-while-black-not-if-the-lapd-can-help-it/698492.md?page=65) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kissing-your-husband-while-black-not-if-the-lapd-can-help-it/698492.md?page=67)