# Kissing your husband while black? Not if the LAPD can help it. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 14, 2014, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kissing-your-husband-while-black-not-if-the-lapd-can-help-it/698492 "2014-09-14T19:21:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 68
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2014, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kissing-your-husband-while-black-not-if-the-lapd-can-help-it/698492/1341 "2014-09-26T21:19:46Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > So discussion every situation has to be encased in a complete airtight history of race in America? > > Anyone whose reaction is “is this all you’ve got?” Is either unspeakably ignorant or affirmatively dishonest. **MaxTheVool** is right. It doesn’t help, and often hurts when an anecdote is used as evidence and then it is found to be false. Look at things like Tawana Brawley and the incidents at universities in recent years where teachers claimed to be the victim of hate crimes and it turned out that they were completely made up by the victim, with the evidence being fabricated by the supposed victims themselves. Not only is it not helpful, it creates the impression that the underlying issue is being exaggerated, at the very least. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2014, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kissing-your-husband-while-black-not-if-the-lapd-can-help-it/698492/1342 "2014-09-27T02:38:36Z")
> [@grude](#): > > I don’t think there are a lot of women who wouldn’t get angry and loud if a cop insinuated they were a prostitute. I can’t believe the cop didn’t realize exactly what reaction he would get. I don’t know if there is any proof but right now it is what they are saying. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2014, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kissing-your-husband-while-black-not-if-the-lapd-can-help-it/698492/1343 "2014-09-27T02:41:19Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Read the thread, genius. > > Regards, > Shodan The title says husband, an article said boyfriend and someone linked another article that said husband again. I don’t think its important, I’d just like to use the right words. Or are you saying that the boyfriend recanted and no longer claims that the cops insinuated that she was a prostitute? ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2014, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kissing-your-husband-while-black-not-if-the-lapd-can-help-it/698492/1344 "2014-09-27T02:43:32Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > (underline added) > > They didn’t arrest Watts for failure to produce ID. > > **Hentor the Barbarian** was nice enough to provided a case, U.S. v. Grigg, that seems to suggests that the 9th Circuit Court ruling wouldn’t permit a Terry Stop for a completed misdemeanor, if there were no threat to public safety. I think it’s important to note that Grigg was decided in 2007. > > _…We hold that under the balancing test set forth in Hensley, a court reviewing the reasonableness of a stop to investigate a past misdemeanor (or other minor infraction) must assess the potential risk to public safety associated with the nature of the offense.   Under the circumstances here, it was unreasonable for the Nampa police to pull over Grigg on suspicion of having played his music too loudly where they did not duly consider the lack of any threat to public safety, especially given the untested alternative means of ascertaining Grigg’s identity.   The motion to suppress was erroneously denied.10  We reverse Grigg’s conviction and remand to the district court for further proceedings consistent with this opinion_. > > - See more at: [http://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-9th-circuit/1398918.html#sthash.0ujdYipr.dpuf](http://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-9th-circuit/1398918.html#sthash.0ujdYipr.dpuf) > > It’s now 2014 and the LAPD seems to be adamant that their officers can detain Watts and request her to identify herself, but not necessarily producing an actual ID of some sort. (_Hello. I’m Daniele Watts and I’m just “acting” like a whore. You know, practicing for a future role in a movie I haven’t been offered yet_.) > > What part(s) of this puzzle is still missing? Hasn’t a LA not-public-safety-related completed-misdemeanor-detainment been challenged in a California court as opposed to the Nampa, Idaho court? Has another, more recent case, altered the Grigg ruling? Do the LA prosecutors drop criminal charges, or plea bargain down any charges, if there is a chance that a detained person may challenge the LAPD ID detainment policy? > > Lawyers, experts, and instructors/professors still seem to disagree on whether a detained person needs to identify themselves. Why isn’t Grigg currently considered the final word in the 9th Circuit district by California PD’s and state attorneys? What’s missing? > > Next, as far as I’m concerned, the Hollyweird actress and the chef wanted the public to see them having sex in the car. Broad daylight, car door open, hands and feet sticking out of the car, some 5 feet from a public sidewalk, surrounded by occupied buildings with windows facing their parking place, ignoring the personal request that they stop doing the ol’ hibidy dibity in public, waiting for the cops to show up, ranting like a deranged lunatic when police dared to questioned the chef first, threatening the officer with her publicist, etc. > > The lame stream media promoted the one-sided story until eye-witnesses, videos, and pictures began to be released. Oops. Maybe the LSM should have spent a few minutes verifying the story BEFORE they went with the ratings-boosting version? So wait. There are photos/videos of them having sex? Cite? ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2014, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kissing-your-husband-while-black-not-if-the-lapd-can-help-it/698492/1345 "2014-09-27T02:51:55Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > Watts was not arrested. > > Watts was detained. > Watts was handcuffed. Her civil rights were still violated regardless of what word you use. > [@](#): > > Watts was eventually released from the detention. You seem to think that the fact that she wasn’t charged with a crime works in favor of your argument. > [@](#): > > Watts “acted” in a disturbed manner during the original police interview (IMHO, of course). As she has every right to do. > [@](#): > > Watts walked away from the original interview. As she has every right to do. > [@](#): > > Watts was brought back to the original interviewer by one, or more, other officers. …by force. And thats where her civil rights are violated. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2014, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kissing-your-husband-while-black-not-if-the-lapd-can-help-it/698492/1346 "2014-09-27T02:55:16Z")
> [@Drunky\_Smurf](#): > > Yeah, I’ve been hearing that too. > > It’s fun the way they instantly assume everyone is racist until the facts come out. But at least this time they’re doing the right thing by telling her that crying wolf is a bad thing. What facts are we talking about? Because all I have seen is a girl sitting on her boyfriend’s lap. Were the pornographic pictures in some post that I missed? ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2014, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kissing-your-husband-while-black-not-if-the-lapd-can-help-it/698492/1347 "2014-09-27T02:59:46Z")
> [@LurkerInNJ](#): > > An office full of people saw the car rocking, her on top of him thrusting and grinding and they also saw them wiping their private parts off with kleenex afterwards. > > You don’t need a penis in vagina photo when you have so many adults who presumably have had enough sex to know it when they see it. So wait. Someone had a camera out (and everyone has a camera these days) and they only took the PG rated pictures? :dubious: What office full of people saw them thrusting and grinding and wiping off their private parts because if I had my camera out, I would think that would be one of the pictures I take rather than the one where they are fully clothed and sitting ina car with the woman straddling the man. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2014, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kissing-your-husband-while-black-not-if-the-lapd-can-help-it/698492/1348 "2014-09-27T03:02:23Z")
> [@Malacandra](#): > > Be interesting to see how it goes from here. But as I recall those who were most vociferous in the Lying Whore thread way back when didn’t exactly bust a gut admitting their error as it became clearer that the mendacious sex worker was not, after all, a fine upstanding citizeness, and I’d bet dollars to donuts they won’t be busting a gut on this one, either. I recall many people including myself vociferously busting a gut admitting error. I don’t think that anyone has proven error yet. The fact of the matter is it doesn’t fucking matter if they were having sex in public or not. The fucking cops still violated her civil rights. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2014, 1:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kissing-your-husband-while-black-not-if-the-lapd-can-help-it/698492/1349 "2014-09-27T13:08:16Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > So wait. There are photos/videos of them having sex? > > Cite? The up-thread posted links to the TMZ articles. Eyewitnesses at the scene said that these two assholes were having sex, in the car, parked on a public street, with the door and sunroof open. I know it may seem strange to some people but not everything that happens in LA is actually photographed or caught on video. At this point in time, your opinion of what you see or can’t see in the photo/video is almost as good as the eyewitnesses who were present or had actually talked to these two assholes. If Watts’s civil rights were violated, then she should have no problem making her case in an actual courtroom. ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2014, 1:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kissing-your-husband-while-black-not-if-the-lapd-can-help-it/698492/1350 "2014-09-27T13:12:36Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > If Watts’s civil rights were violated If? You might wish to read Hentor’s and Bricker’s posts in this thread and get back to us on why you say “if”. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2014, 1:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kissing-your-husband-while-black-not-if-the-lapd-can-help-it/698492/1351 "2014-09-27T13:19:20Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > If Watts’s civil rights were violated, then she should have no problem making her case in an actual courtroom. What if she doesn’t want to spend the legal fees, and admit under oath she was fucking her boyfriend in a Mercedes? Those are barriers to her making her case, but the are not factors in whether her rights were violated. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2014, 1:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kissing-your-husband-while-black-not-if-the-lapd-can-help-it/698492/1352 "2014-09-27T13:29:27Z")
> [@Muffin](#): > > If? You might wish to read Hentor’s and Bricker’s posts in this thread and get back to us on why you say “if”. I’ve read them. I found them to be well written and very informative. I still have unanswered questions about the legal situation. It still seems as if some piece of the puzzle is missing. I assume there will be further investigations and legal actions which should provide the missing piece(s). Who is this “us” that you refer to? What group do you believe you represent? Once again, if Watts’s civil rights were violated, and she can prove that in court, then she should have no problem making her case in an actual courtroom. ---
**Author:** ![Cartooniverse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cartooniverse/32/3084_2.png) [@Cartooniverse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cartooniverse)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2014, 1:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kissing-your-husband-while-black-not-if-the-lapd-can-help-it/698492/1353 "2014-09-27T13:29:34Z")
So, it is your position that she has every right to fornicate in clear view of the public walking by. This is not a violation of any statute in the city of Los Angeles or the state of California? She committed a misdemeanor. So did her husband. This gave the police officers every right to demand her identification. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2014, 1:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kissing-your-husband-while-black-not-if-the-lapd-can-help-it/698492/1354 "2014-09-27T13:38:58Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > What if she doesn’t want to spend the legal fees, and admit under oath she was fucking her boyfriend in a Mercedes? > > Those are barriers to her making her case, but the are not factors in whether her rights were violated. That’s a definite possibility and could explain why the LAPD, ACLU, several media legal experts, and lawyers seem so adamant that the officer acted properly. Seven years after Grigg, no one has legally challenged the LAPD’s position in court. I would have assume that an ACLU-type organization would have already provided the legal expertise and covered the costs of such a case. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2014, 1:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kissing-your-husband-while-black-not-if-the-lapd-can-help-it/698492/1355 "2014-09-27T13:39:47Z")
> [@Cartooniverse](#): > > So, it is your position that she has every right to fornicate in clear view of the public walking by. No. > [@](#): > > This is not a violation of any statute in the city of Los Angeles or the state of California? It is. > [@](#): > > She committed a misdemeanor. So did her husband. Maybe they did. > [@](#): > > This gave the police officers every right to demand her identification. No. Confused? Then read the thread before posting. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2014, 1:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kissing-your-husband-while-black-not-if-the-lapd-can-help-it/698492/1356 "2014-09-27T13:42:18Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > No. It is. Maybe they did. No. Confused? Then read the thread before posting. The police can demand you provide verbal or physical identification. The question is whether you have to provide it. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2014, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kissing-your-husband-while-black-not-if-the-lapd-can-help-it/698492/1357 "2014-09-27T13:47:08Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > The police can demand you provide verbal or physical identification. The question is whether you have to provide it. No, they are not empowered to detain you. They are not permitted to make any such demand under these circumstances. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2014, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kissing-your-husband-while-black-not-if-the-lapd-can-help-it/698492/1358 "2014-09-27T13:56:03Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > No, they are not empowered to detain you. They are not permitted to make any such demand under these circumstances. Watts wasn’t detained when the officer first asked Watts to identify herself. Even police officers can ask questions. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2014, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kissing-your-husband-while-black-not-if-the-lapd-can-help-it/698492/1359 "2014-09-27T14:26:11Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > Watts wasn’t detained when the officer first asked Watts to identify herself. Even police officers can ask questions. That’s not what you said before, though. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2014, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kissing-your-husband-while-black-not-if-the-lapd-can-help-it/698492/1360 "2014-09-27T16:21:54Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > The up-thread posted links to the TMZ articles. Eyewitnesses at the scene said that these two assholes were having sex, in the car, parked on a public street, with the door and sunroof open. > > I know it may seem strange to some people but not everything that happens in LA is actually photographed or caught on video. At this point in time, your opinion of what you see or can’t see in the photo/video is almost as good as the eyewitnesses who were present or had actually talked to these two assholes. > > If Watts’s civil rights were violated, then she should have no problem making her case in an actual courtroom. So lots of photos but none of them having sex?:dubious: [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kissing-your-husband-while-black-not-if-the-lapd-can-help-it/698492.md?page=67) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kissing-your-husband-while-black-not-if-the-lapd-can-help-it/698492.md?page=69)