# KiwiFarms has been taken completely offline \[update - were online using Russian servers then offline again - see thread for current status\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [September 4, 2022, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kiwifarms-has-been-taken-completely-offline-update-were-online-using-russian-servers-then-offline-again-see-thread-for-current-status/970949 "2022-09-04T19:33:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2022, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kiwifarms-has-been-taken-completely-offline-update-were-online-using-russian-servers-then-offline-again-see-thread-for-current-status/970949/1 "2022-09-04T19:33:16Z")
This website is/was big and sprawling and pretty much anything goes, which meant that there WERE some incredible weirdos who posted there. Anyway, the site has been completely taken off the server due to “imminent threats to human life.” > **[Blocking Kiwifarms](https://blog.cloudflare.com/kiwifarms-blocked/)** > > We have blocked Kiwifarms. Visitors to any of the Kiwifarms sites that use any of Cloudflare's services will see a Cloudflare block page and a link to this post. I stumbled onto it while looking for something else, and basically limited my posting to several threads. Are there any other Dopers who are familiar with this site? ---
**Author:** ![suranyi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e36b37/32.png) [@suranyi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/suranyi)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2022, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kiwifarms-has-been-taken-completely-offline-update-were-online-using-russian-servers-then-offline-again-see-thread-for-current-status/970949/2 "2022-09-04T19:50:52Z")
I heard they were allowing doxxing and then death threats to be sent to certain transgender people. ---
**Author:** ![ctnguy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@ctnguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ctnguy)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2022, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kiwifarms-has-been-taken-completely-offline-update-were-online-using-russian-servers-then-offline-again-see-thread-for-current-status/970949/3 "2022-09-04T20:03:37Z")
I was not familar with it until the recent Cloudflare news, but if the Wikipedia article is accurate it sounds rather horrible. > **[Kiwi Farms](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiwi_Farms)** > > Kiwi Farms, formerly known as CWCki Forums (/ˈkwɪki/ KWIH-kee), is an Internet forum that facilitates the discussion and harassment of online figures and communities. Their targets are often subject to organized group trolling and stalking, as well as doxxing and real-life harassment. These actions have tied Kiwi Farms to the suicides of three people targeted by members of the forum. > Kiwi Farms' connection to several controversies and harassment campaigns has caused the forum to be blocked ... ---
**Author:** ![dolphinboy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dolphinboy/32/330_2.png) [@dolphinboy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dolphinboy)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2022, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kiwifarms-has-been-taken-completely-offline-update-were-online-using-russian-servers-then-offline-again-see-thread-for-current-status/970949/4 "2022-09-04T20:08:07Z")
> [@suranyi](#): > > I heard they were allowing doxxing and then death threats to be sent to certain transgender people. This… and that online abuse led to three suicides, seems a good enough reason to shut it down to me. ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2022, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kiwifarms-has-been-taken-completely-offline-update-were-online-using-russian-servers-then-offline-again-see-thread-for-current-status/970949/5 "2022-09-04T20:35:55Z")
You only wish that they’re offline. > ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2022, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kiwifarms-has-been-taken-completely-offline-update-were-online-using-russian-servers-then-offline-again-see-thread-for-current-status/970949/6 "2022-09-04T20:41:46Z")
> [@Exapno\_Mapcase](#): > > You only wish that they’re offline. > > [https://twitter.com/FrankFigliuzzi1/status/1566438538765279232](https://twitter.com/FrankFigliuzzi1/status/1566438538765279232) - That was quick. Almost like it planned. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2022, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kiwifarms-has-been-taken-completely-offline-update-were-online-using-russian-servers-then-offline-again-see-thread-for-current-status/970949/7 "2022-09-04T21:42:53Z")
Almost like somebody in Russia is happy, nay overjoyed, to help host the destruction of the USA, and is simply waiting for any opportunity to offer their services. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2022, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kiwifarms-has-been-taken-completely-offline-update-were-online-using-russian-servers-then-offline-again-see-thread-for-current-status/970949/8 "2022-09-04T21:49:59Z")
But if the owners/principals of this operation are in the US, surely they’re within reach of law enforcement. Or is this going to be another debacle of First Amendment absolutism, even if it harasses and kills people? ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2022, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kiwifarms-has-been-taken-completely-offline-update-were-online-using-russian-servers-then-offline-again-see-thread-for-current-status/970949/9 "2022-09-04T21:51:13Z")
I only clicked on this thread because I never heard of this thing. Thought maybe it had something to do with New Zealand. Now I wish I still had never heard of this thing. (Almost time to start The Beer, so maybe by tomorrow, I won’t) ---
**Author:** ![ZipperJJ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zipperjj/32/211_2.png) [@ZipperJJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZipperJJ)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2022, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kiwifarms-has-been-taken-completely-offline-update-were-online-using-russian-servers-then-offline-again-see-thread-for-current-status/970949/10 "2022-09-04T21:54:23Z")
I’ve never heard of it either but I’m glad I’m aware of it now. Now I can cheer for its destruction (which doesn’t seem to be coming, sadly…) ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2022, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kiwifarms-has-been-taken-completely-offline-update-were-online-using-russian-servers-then-offline-again-see-thread-for-current-status/970949/11 "2022-09-04T22:22:02Z")
I did not participate in any of the doxxing, and I’ll admit that I did see a few threads that made me want to take a cyber-shower. ---
**Author:** ![iamthewalrus\_3](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/258eb7/32.png) [@iamthewalrus\_3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iamthewalrus_3)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2022, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kiwifarms-has-been-taken-completely-offline-update-were-online-using-russian-servers-then-offline-again-see-thread-for-current-status/970949/12 "2022-09-05T20:08:06Z")
If the owners/principals are not harrassing or threatening people, it’s not clear what law they’d be violating. Can we arrest Zuckerberg if people make threats on facebook? And while you can certainly make a moral case that being very mean on a website leads to someone’s death, I don’t know that you can make a legal case that the website or operators thereof are killing them. ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2022, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kiwifarms-has-been-taken-completely-offline-update-were-online-using-russian-servers-then-offline-again-see-thread-for-current-status/970949/13 "2022-09-05T21:15:48Z")
They may have taken it offline while they iron things out. About 15 years ago, a teenage boy in my area rode his bike in the middle of the night to the church/private school that he attended in a small town (the buildings were located just outside town) and set a bunch of fires while posting pictures on a gaming website. Long story made short: The webmaster shut the site down temporarily, and they were actually the ones who notified authorities (a volunteer fire department) and even though the buildings were a total loss, nobody was injured, including the arsonist, who AFAIK was never identified. The church and school were newly rebuilt after having been destroyed by a tornado the previous year. > **[Early morning fire destroys church, school in Palmyra](https://www.whig.com/archive/article/early-morning-fire-destroys-church-school-in-palmyra/article_9e0c766b-f766-55c1-9589-8fbcf08db2a6.html)** > > By STEVE EIGHINGER > **[Palmyra church's journey of faith hitting new milestone](https://www.hannibal.net/archive/article/palmyra-churchs-journey-of-faith-hitting-new-milestone/article_1a3d36ab-ada5-540f-a45a-99e9eea1ab04.html)** > > Tornadoes and fires are sometimes described as biblical in proportion. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/f0AvniNq-Ws/hqdefault.jpg "Kid Arrested for Church Fire After Posting About it Online") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0AvniNq-Ws) ETA: The story says that a truck driver called in the initial report. These must have all happened at around the same time. ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2022, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kiwifarms-has-been-taken-completely-offline-update-were-online-using-russian-servers-then-offline-again-see-thread-for-current-status/970949/14 "2022-09-06T01:36:10Z")
Even the Russians dropped them. > When you need to complain that the Russians are censoring you for being too Nazi, it’s time to pack up your swastika and return to the rock you crawled from. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2022, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kiwifarms-has-been-taken-completely-offline-update-were-online-using-russian-servers-then-offline-again-see-thread-for-current-status/970949/15 "2022-09-06T01:55:52Z")
Similarly, when Russia won’t do it even to thumb its nose at the US or continue causing chaos… ---
**Author:** ![Asuka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@Asuka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Asuka)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2022, 3:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kiwifarms-has-been-taken-completely-offline-update-were-online-using-russian-servers-then-offline-again-see-thread-for-current-status/970949/16 "2022-09-06T03:18:45Z")
It should be noted KiwiFarms also harrassed a ton of right wing people including Ethan Ralph the self-proclaimed “Leader” of the Alt-Right, whom they regularly tell to kill himself, so they probably made WAY too many enemies on both sides. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2022, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kiwifarms-has-been-taken-completely-offline-update-were-online-using-russian-servers-then-offline-again-see-thread-for-current-status/970949/17 "2022-09-06T17:04:36Z")
I’d never heard of the thing and it sounds like by the time I got to this thread, the whole thing had already disappeared. As such, I’m pretty blasé on the whole topic. But I would say that, to me, it sounds like a website for angry and depressed people. If you had some sort of cure or treatment for people in that situation then, having them all collected together on a single website could give you the opportunity to try and reach them in a fairly effective manner. Likewise, you know where to go to watch what they’re all getting up to, to try and harm others. When you break that up, now they’re harder to locate. ---
**Author:** ![ZipperJJ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zipperjj/32/211_2.png) [@ZipperJJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZipperJJ)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2022, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kiwifarms-has-been-taken-completely-offline-update-were-online-using-russian-servers-then-offline-again-see-thread-for-current-status/970949/18 "2022-09-06T17:51:27Z")
Here’s a Twitter thread by a woman who’s 9 year old trans child was doxxed and harassed by KiwiFarners. It’s been going on for years as her daughter is now 15. > ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2022, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kiwifarms-has-been-taken-completely-offline-update-were-online-using-russian-servers-then-offline-again-see-thread-for-current-status/970949/19 "2022-09-06T18:26:34Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > But I would say that, to me, it sounds like a website for angry and depressed people. That seems rather insulting to “angry and depressed people” as a group, most of whom would consider it highly unethical to doxx and target people for harassment and trolling campaigns online. KiwiFarms was a website for unethical and abusive anonymous harassers and trolls (and in some cases, criminals). While many of them may indeed have been angry and depressed, that’s not an excuse for their behavior, and most angry and depressed people do not behave like that. > [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > If you had some sort of cure or treatment for people in that situation then, having them all collected together on a single website could give you the opportunity to try and reach them in a fairly effective manner. Like, the internet should have been willing to keep KiwiFarms around just on the off-chance that somebody might discover a successful treatment for abusive harassing behavior that can be effectively administered via website? In a word, LOL. > [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > Likewise, you know where to go to watch what they’re all getting up to, to try and harm others. When you break that up, now they’re harder to locate. Like, the internet should have been willing to keep KiwiFarms around because it’s somehow better to provide abusers with a convenient platform and hub for coordinating their abusive anonymous online harassment activities? Likewise LOL. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2022, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kiwifarms-has-been-taken-completely-offline-update-were-online-using-russian-servers-then-offline-again-see-thread-for-current-status/970949/20 "2022-09-06T18:54:17Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > That seems rather insulting to “angry and depressed people” as a group, most of whom would consider it highly unethical to doxx and target people for harassment and trolling campaigns online. From a societal standpoint, though, those ones don’t really matter. An alcoholic who goes to work, doesn’t drive after drinking, doesn’t beat his wife, etc. is sort of not an alcoholic from the viewpoint of the outside world and tracking him down and trying to get him into treatment is not a big need. But if you found a website for alcoholics who like street racing, you’d have a prime target to advertise programs for getting sober. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kiwifarms-has-been-taken-completely-offline-update-were-online-using-russian-servers-then-offline-again-see-thread-for-current-status/970949.md?page=2)