# Klingon strength level? (and Vulcans...) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [November 29, 2005, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/klingon-strength-level-and-vulcans/333260 "2005-11-29T20:19:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2005, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/klingon-strength-level-and-vulcans/333260/21 "2005-11-30T17:27:06Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > Obviously a clever ruse on his part… Probably. > > Most likely. > > I should think so, anyway. [denial river] Now, now. WHOM GODS DESTROY is a third season episode. Everybody knows third season TOS never happened; it was only a holodeck fantasy of Tom Paris’s. [/denial river] ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2005, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/klingon-strength-level-and-vulcans/333260/22 "2005-11-30T18:31:03Z")
> [@Fabulous Creature](#): > > [denial river] > Now, now. WHOM GODS DESTROY is a third season episode. Everybody knows third season TOS never happened; it was only a holodeck fantasy of Tom Paris’s. > [/denial river] _The Enterprise Incident_ _All Our Yesterdays_ _Day of the Dove_ _For the WOrld is Hollow and I have touched the Sky_ _The Cloud Minders_ What sucks besides _The Way To Eden_ and a rumor that an episode called _Spock’s Brain_ was shown in the third season? ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2005, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/klingon-strength-level-and-vulcans/333260/23 "2005-11-30T20:00:34Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > _The Enterprise Incident_ > _All Our Yesterdays_ > _Day of the Dove_ > _For the WOrld is Hollow and I have touched the Sky_ > _The Cloud Minders_ > > What sucks besides _The Way To Eden_ and a rumor that an episode called _Spock’s Brain_ was shown in the third season? As I’m still paddling down DeNial, I must assert that those actually episodes from the unusually long second season, which had…um…50 episodes. Yeah, that’s it. As for Tom Paris’ fictional first season eppies, I give you TURNABOUT INTRUDER. ---
**Author:** ![Scumpup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce73a5/32.png) [@Scumpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scumpup)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2005, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/klingon-strength-level-and-vulcans/333260/24 "2005-11-30T20:06:59Z")
> [@Fabulous Creature](#): > > I’ve always thought of them of having chimpanzee-type strength. Do Vulcans rip the fingers, genitals, and eyes from their opponents as chimpanzees do? ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2005, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/klingon-strength-level-and-vulcans/333260/25 "2005-11-30T20:10:57Z")
> [@Scumpup](#): > > Do Vulcans rip the fingers, genitals, and eyes from their opponents as chimpanzees do? Nah, just throw their crap at 'em. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2005, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/klingon-strength-level-and-vulcans/333260/26 "2005-11-30T22:04:54Z")
> [@Bryan Ekers](#): > > Nah, just throw their crap at 'em. Is it green? ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2005, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/klingon-strength-level-and-vulcans/333260/27 "2005-11-30T22:28:26Z")
> [@Scumpup](#): > > Do Vulcans rip the fingers, genitals, and eyes from their opponents as chimpanzees do? [Pedant] Unless fighting an opponent with eyestalk, one attacks ocular units by GOUGING, not ripping. [/pedant] Anywhistle, I said “strength,” not “personality.” Though I rather suspect primitive Vulcans undergoing _pon far_ before it became so ritualized, did just that kind of thing. ---
**Author:** ![Spectre\_of\_Pithecanthropus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spectre_of_pithecanthropus/32/12343_2.png) [@Spectre\_of\_Pithecanthropus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spectre_of_Pithecanthropus)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2005, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/klingon-strength-level-and-vulcans/333260/28 "2005-12-01T00:02:28Z")
> [@Fabulous Creature](#): > > [denial river] > Now, now. WHOM GODS DESTROY is a third season episode. Everybody knows third season TOS never happened; it was only a holodeck fantasy of Tom Paris’s. > [/denial river] Hey now, I’ve always liked WHOM GODS DESTROY, for Steve (Garth) Ihnat’s over-the-top performance. The ‘coronation’ is a highlight, where the crown consists of a circlet of sheet metal and the throne is a simple chair on a table. Yet all the while Garth keeps up the grandiloquent patter–“Since there is no one in the known universe mighty enough to perform this ceremony, we will perform it ourselves…”. Also the double round of golf claps given him by his motley crew was a delight. ---
**Author:** ![Spudo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bbce88/32.png) [@Spudo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spudo)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2005, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/klingon-strength-level-and-vulcans/333260/29 "2005-12-01T01:42:55Z")
> [@Spectre of Pithecanthropus](#): > > Hey now, I’ve always liked WHOM GODS DESTROY, for Steve (Garth) Ihnat’s over-the-top performance. The ‘coronation’ is a highlight, where the crown consists of a circlet of sheet metal and the throne is a simple chair on a table. Yet all the while Garth keeps up the grandiloquent patter–“Since there is no one in the known universe mighty enough to perform this ceremony, we will perform it ourselves…”. Also the double round of golf claps given him by his motley crew was a delight. That’s one of my favorite episodes from TOS. Garth is a great villain. I love when he screams “Remove that ANIMAL!” and Spock, depsire Spock being quite calm the entire time. ---
**Author:** ![Spudo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bbce88/32.png) [@Spudo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spudo)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2005, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/klingon-strength-level-and-vulcans/333260/30 "2005-12-01T01:43:03Z")
> [@Spectre of Pithecanthropus](#): > > Hey now, I’ve always liked WHOM GODS DESTROY, for Steve (Garth) Ihnat’s over-the-top performance. The ‘coronation’ is a highlight, where the crown consists of a circlet of sheet metal and the throne is a simple chair on a table. Yet all the while Garth keeps up the grandiloquent patter–“Since there is no one in the known universe mighty enough to perform this ceremony, we will perform it ourselves…”. Also the double round of golf claps given him by his motley crew was a delight. That’s one of my favorite episodes from TOS. Garth is a great villain. I love when he screams “Remove that ANIMAL!” at Spock, depsire Spock being quite calm the entire time. ---
**Author:** ![Spudo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bbce88/32.png) [@Spudo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spudo)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2005, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/klingon-strength-level-and-vulcans/333260/31 "2005-12-01T01:44:31Z")
My god, it’s full of typos… ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2005, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/klingon-strength-level-and-vulcans/333260/32 "2005-12-01T02:45:27Z")
I recall in one of the TNG episodes, Worf recalled an incident from his youth as a human-family-adoptee on a human colony planet. He was joyful in being “the strongest boy on the planet” until he inadvertently killed a human boy – not even in a fight, but in a soccer match. “Humans are such frail, fragile creatures!” Which goes a long way toward explaining Worf’s grim, po’-faced personality – he’s the only Klingon ever portrayed in any ST series who never **laughs!** But it also assumes that Klingons are, generally, much stronger and tougher than humans. ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2005, 4:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/klingon-strength-level-and-vulcans/333260/33 "2005-12-01T04:50:15Z")
That was in the DS9 episode _Let He Who is Without Sin_ and he said he headbutted the boy so that doesn’t prove anything more than Klingon craniums being more resilient than human ones. ---
**Author:** ![Taber](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ac91a4/32.png) [@Taber](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Taber)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2005, 6:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/klingon-strength-level-and-vulcans/333260/34 "2005-12-01T06:37:53Z")
> [@Fabulous Creature](#): > > [Pedant] > Unless fighting an opponent with eyestalk, Since we are talking about star trek, that seems feasible ---
**Author:** ![Malacandra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Malacandra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malacandra)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2005, 11:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/klingon-strength-level-and-vulcans/333260/35 "2005-12-01T11:01:11Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > _The Enterprise Incident_ > _All Our Yesterdays_ > _Day of the Dove_ > _For the WOrld is Hollow and I have touched the Sky_ > _The Cloud Minders_ > > What sucks besides _The Way To Eden_ and a rumor that an episode called _Spock’s Brain_ was shown in the third season? _Spock’s Brain_? One of the funniest of a great many Trek parodies - during the late 60s and 70s, when it seemed like the franchise was gone for good, there were almost more of these kicking about than actual episodes! What was notable about this one is how good the doubles were, and they got make-up, costume and sets exactly right too. I have it on tape - though I’d trade it for _The Enterprise Incident_ any day. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2005, 1:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/klingon-strength-level-and-vulcans/333260/36 "2005-12-01T13:28:03Z")
> [@Malacandra](#): > > I have it on tape - though I’d trade it for _The Enterprise Incident_ any day. Send me private email. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/klingon-strength-level-and-vulcans/333260.md?page=1)