# Klingons, Betazoids, Ferengi, Klingons, Klingons, symbiant hosts, sex and marriage. **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [January 11, 2005, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/klingons-betazoids-ferengi-klingons-klingons-symbiant-hosts-sex-and-marriage/284158 "2005-01-11T03:30:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![The\_Asbestos\_Mango](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@The\_Asbestos\_Mango](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Asbestos_Mango)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2005, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/klingons-betazoids-ferengi-klingons-klingons-symbiant-hosts-sex-and-marriage/284158/1 "2005-01-11T03:30:50Z")
I was watching a rerun of DS9 late last week, and found myself perplexed. Seems Grelke, Quark’s Klingon ex-wife, is in town, and Quark is still very much hot for her, never mind the fact that their marriage of convenience was never consummated. Grelke, apparently, is also hot for Quark, but somewhat reluctant to admit it. Worf is hot for Grelke, but, due to unfortunate familial circumstances, is reduced to playing Cyrano for Quark. Judsea (and am I spelling that even remotely close to right) Dax is hot for Worf. Events transpire, which end up with Quark and Grelke ending up doing the wild thing on the floor, Judzia (alternate spellings anyone) and Worf on a different floor, and everyone but Grelke sustaining moderate to severe injuries. Grelke, apparently, is tougher than Quark, Worf and Ms. Dax combined. Anyhoo, at the end, Worf informs Dax (who already knows this) that Klingon tradition demands that they get married. Huh? Wait a minute. In the later seasons of TNG, Worf and Deanna Troi were doing the horizontal hokey-pokey on a fairly regular basis, and Worf did not insist that Deanna marry him. Grelke didn’t seem too awfully interested in marrying Quark after doing the tube-snake boogie with him. So, now, how come all of a sudden, after an entire episode of apparent disinterest, followed by a fast and furious game of hide the salami, does Worf suddenly feel obligated to marry Judsea Dax? ---
**Author:** ![friedo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8edcca/32.png) [@friedo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/friedo)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2005, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/klingons-betazoids-ferengi-klingons-klingons-symbiant-hosts-sex-and-marriage/284158/2 "2005-01-11T03:35:10Z")
J **a** dzia. With an “a”. Just like it sounds. I don’t think Worf ever actually knocked boots with Troi. He just merely courted her before realizing that she’s a stupid ho. In an earlier season TNG episode, Worf does the horizontal monster mash with half-klingon half-human K’Ehleyr and also demands that they immediately get married. ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2005, 5:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/klingons-betazoids-ferengi-klingons-klingons-symbiant-hosts-sex-and-marriage/284158/3 "2005-01-11T05:04:28Z")
I doubt very seriously that Worf ever slept with Troi. For one, I don’t think that Troi would really be up for the rigors of Klingon sex and for another, he was pretty quick to hook up with Dax, comparitively speaking, and as a romantic, I doubt he would have moved on so quickly. Plus, like \*\*friedo \*\*said, he demanded K’ehleyr marry him after they slept together years before, so there is precedence for the custom. And it’s Grilka, by the way. ---
**Author:** ![FriarTed](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/friarted/32/1052_2.png) [@FriarTed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FriarTed)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2005, 7:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/klingons-betazoids-ferengi-klingons-klingons-symbiant-hosts-sex-and-marriage/284158/4 "2005-01-11T07:05:06Z")
Worf is obviously lapsed Orthodox Klingon. He’ll do it before marriage but feel guilty & want to marry afterwards! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Small\_Clanger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9fc348/32.png) [@Small\_Clanger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Small_Clanger)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2005, 11:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/klingons-betazoids-ferengi-klingons-klingons-symbiant-hosts-sex-and-marriage/284158/5 "2005-01-11T11:23:05Z")
> [@The Asbestos Mango](#): > > In the later seasons of TNG, Worf and Deanna Troi were doing the horizontal hokey-pokey on a fairly regular basis, and Worf did not insist that Deanna marry him. IIRC they were married (to each other) in an alternative universe. The one where Worf doesn’t win the Batleth tournament. And are you sure Quark got to bonk that Klingon bint? ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2005, 11:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/klingons-betazoids-ferengi-klingons-klingons-symbiant-hosts-sex-and-marriage/284158/6 "2005-01-11T11:32:32Z")
“Parrellels” was the episode and in the alt-universe you mentioned, they have two children : Shannara and Eric Christopher. And it’s a pretty safe bet they had sex. He was in the Infirmary getting healed by Bashir for multiple contusions and lacerations – hallmarks of Klingon mating – when Jadzia and Worf entered with some of their own prompting the doctor to say “What happened to you two? Wait. I don’t want to know.” or something to that affect. Sure, they might have just cuddled but all the anecdotal evidence points to sex. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2005, 12:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/klingons-betazoids-ferengi-klingons-klingons-symbiant-hosts-sex-and-marriage/284158/7 "2005-01-11T12:23:46Z")
In the final episode of TNG, “All Good Things”, Worf and Troi were _about_ to nastify, going in for the first kiss before Picard comes tearing down the corridor, fresh from his latest Q-smacking. That might’ve been enough to kill the mood. Some of the interaction between future-Worf and future-Riker in that episode suggests but does not specify some kind of love-triangle that ended badly, presumably with Troi’s implied death. The episode “Parallels” was more of a test-balloon, seeing what the reaction might be to a Worf/Troi pairing. I’m guessing it wasn’t positive or significant enough to have a “mainstream” W/T written into the final season. In any case, whatever brief flirtation might’ve existed seemed to have evaporated between “All Good Things” and the “Star Trek: Generations” movie. ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2005, 1:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/klingons-betazoids-ferengi-klingons-klingons-symbiant-hosts-sex-and-marriage/284158/8 "2005-01-11T13:05:06Z")
I remember there also being some sort of mind control/mental illusion episode where Troi _thought_ she and Worf did it; they each, therefore, had memories of what a relationship would have been like by the end of the series. ---
**Author:** ![Cliffy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/59ef9b/32.png) [@Cliffy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cliffy)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2005, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/klingons-betazoids-ferengi-klingons-klingons-symbiant-hosts-sex-and-marriage/284158/9 "2005-01-11T14:44:06Z")
Yes, bioth Worf and Deanna had weird sci-fi versions of a romance; Deanna when she was caught in a vision and Worf during his universe-sliding escapade. The relationship between the characters for “real” was just getting going when TNG ended. Its end was not chronicled, although it seems they probably broke it off rather soon after. There was a line in Insurrection after Riker and Deanna got back together where Worf indicated he was happy with it-- for non-fans it just was a passing comment but it seemed to me that it could also be understood as Worf (then a widower) assuring Riker that there would be no competition from that quarter. –Cliffy ---
**Author:** ![Cliffy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/59ef9b/32.png) [@Cliffy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cliffy)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2005, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/klingons-betazoids-ferengi-klingons-klingons-symbiant-hosts-sex-and-marriage/284158/10 "2005-01-11T14:46:28Z")
Oh, as to Grilka being happy to kiss and run while Worf needed to obey the traditons, this is consistent with Worf throughout the shows. Worf, since he was raised by humans, feels the need to be the super-klingon to fit in, whereas klingons who are raised within the culture don’t feel that their acceptance is hanging by a thread and are therefore less concerned with all the rules. –Cliffy ---
**Author:** ![gonzoron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a6a055/32.png) [@gonzoron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzoron)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2005, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/klingons-betazoids-ferengi-klingons-klingons-symbiant-hosts-sex-and-marriage/284158/11 "2005-01-11T16:23:04Z")
To answer the: “why didn’t Grillka demand to remarry Quark?” question. They were married already. We don’t know much about klingon divorce protocol, but perhaps booty calls are allowable. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2005, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/klingons-betazoids-ferengi-klingons-klingons-symbiant-hosts-sex-and-marriage/284158/12 "2005-01-11T16:30:46Z")
> [@gonzoron](#): > > klingon divorce protocol I’m pretty sure it involves cutlery. ---
**Author:** ![rjk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ed655f/32.png) [@rjk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rjk)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2005, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/klingons-betazoids-ferengi-klingons-klingons-symbiant-hosts-sex-and-marriage/284158/13 "2005-01-11T16:33:40Z")
I still think Worf and Tasha Yar would have made a good couple. I have the script right here in my head, if anybody cares. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2005, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/klingons-betazoids-ferengi-klingons-klingons-symbiant-hosts-sex-and-marriage/284158/14 "2005-01-11T17:32:01Z")
> [@rjk](#): > > I still think Worf and Tasha Yar would have made a good couple. I have the script right here in my head, if anybody cares. So do 1000 other fanficcers. If you can _keep_ it in your head instead of pouring it out on 100 fic websites, messageboards, blogs and newsgroups, you’re doing a damn fine job. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Asbestos\_Mango](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@The\_Asbestos\_Mango](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Asbestos_Mango)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2005, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/klingons-betazoids-ferengi-klingons-klingons-symbiant-hosts-sex-and-marriage/284158/15 "2005-01-11T17:41:11Z")
Now, wait just a damn minute, here. There is nothing inherently wrong with fanfic. I’ve written and posted a fanfic myself, (BtVS, not ST) and been told it was pretty damn good. The trouble with fanfic is that too much of it is just a bad excuse for worse porn, and most of the rest of it is just … bad. **rjk** , if you have a more than halfway decent Worf/Yar story buzzing around in your head, by all means, write the damn thing. Anything written by an SDMB member is bound to be better than 99.44% of the drek floating around the fanfic universe. ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2005, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/klingons-betazoids-ferengi-klingons-klingons-symbiant-hosts-sex-and-marriage/284158/16 "2005-01-11T18:30:07Z")
> [@Bryan Ekers](#): > > The episode “Parallels” was more of a test-balloon, seeing what the reaction might be to a Worf/Troi pairing. I’m guessing it wasn’t positive or significant enough to have a “mainstream” W/T written into the final season. In any case, whatever brief flirtation might’ve existed seemed to have evaporated between “All Good Things” and the “Star Trek: Generations” movie. \*Parallels \*was a midseason S7 episode. By the time it aired, they were probably already close to shooting \*All Good Things… \*so it being a test episode seems unlikely unless it was for _Generations_. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2005, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/klingons-betazoids-ferengi-klingons-klingons-symbiant-hosts-sex-and-marriage/284158/17 "2005-01-11T20:02:10Z")
> [@The Asbestos Mango](#): > > Now, wait just a damn minute, here. There is nothing inherently wrong with fanfic. I’ve written and posted a fanfic myself, (BtVS, not ST) and been told it was pretty damn good. > > The trouble with fanfic is that too much of it is just a bad excuse for worse porn, and most of the rest of it is just … bad. > > **rjk** , if you have a more than halfway decent Worf/Yar story buzzing around in your head, by all means, write the damn thing. Anything written by an SDMB member is bound to be better than 99.44% of the drek floating around the fanfic universe. Oh, I have nothing against fanfic as a concept. I, myself, have written Trekfic. Data in Oz Trekfic to be exact. You had to be there. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2005, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/klingons-betazoids-ferengi-klingons-klingons-symbiant-hosts-sex-and-marriage/284158/18 "2005-01-11T20:09:00Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > Data in Oz Trekfic to be exact. So did that start the _Dark Side of the Moon_ thing? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2005, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/klingons-betazoids-ferengi-klingons-klingons-symbiant-hosts-sex-and-marriage/284158/19 "2005-01-11T20:18:39Z")
> [@gonzoron](#): > > To answer the: “why didn’t Grillka demand to remarry Quark?” question. They were married already. We don’t know much about klingon divorce protocol, but perhaps booty calls are allowable. Nah, they were divorced at the end of “The House of Quark” episode. Klingon divorce protocol requires merely that the woman bitchslap the man and then spit on him. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2005, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/klingons-betazoids-ferengi-klingons-klingons-symbiant-hosts-sex-and-marriage/284158/20 "2005-01-11T20:27:19Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > So did that start the _Dark Side of the Moon_ thing? > 🙂 Nah, that would be Whofic. Not to be confused with the Whofic that involves the Grinch and Cindy Lou in some really sick situations… [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/klingons-betazoids-ferengi-klingons-klingons-symbiant-hosts-sex-and-marriage/284158.md?page=2)