# Know anything about ecinbox.com or how to check? (HK retailer) **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [February 5, 2012, 1:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/know-anything-about-ecinbox-com-or-how-to-check-hk-retailer/611856 "2012-02-05T13:13:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Stoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stoid/32/272_2.png) [@Stoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoid)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2012, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/know-anything-about-ecinbox-com-or-how-to-check-hk-retailer/611856/21 "2012-02-07T17:48:33Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > Sometimes people will post outside of the lines you artificially put down on a subject. People are in IMHO to give their opinions. You haven’t figured that out yet? Personally I would listen to China Guy when he says something about China but that’s just me. Feel free to underline for emphasis. Opine away, I don’t mind a bit. What I mind is being told that I asked for them (wrong) then rejected them out of hand (wrong) because what I really wanted was a round of applause (wrong, and kind of insane on its face because who gives a fuck if someone found a good deal?). ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2012, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/know-anything-about-ecinbox-com-or-how-to-check-hk-retailer/611856/22 "2012-02-07T17:55:08Z")
> [@kushiel](#): > > I automatically filter HK and China results out of my ecommerce searches. It just isn’t worth it any more. I don’t think I’ve purchased anything from an HK or Chinese retailer that wasn’t bootleg or such low quality it wasn’t worth than the pennies it took to make it. I bought a loptop power cord thru eBay. Seemed reputable. It worked fine except it put out so much emi I couldnt watch the tv with it plugged in. ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Ashtar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ea924/32.png) [@Lord\_Ashtar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Ashtar)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2012, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/know-anything-about-ecinbox-com-or-how-to-check-hk-retailer/611856/23 "2012-02-07T18:50:39Z")
I find it interest when offered a choice between discussing the content of people’s posts versus telling everyone how wrong they are to have even posted them in the first place, **Stoid** tends to choose the latter. ---
**Author:** ![Stoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stoid/32/272_2.png) [@Stoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoid)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2012, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/know-anything-about-ecinbox-com-or-how-to-check-hk-retailer/611856/24 "2012-02-07T22:00:41Z")
> [@Lord\_Ashtar](#): > > I find it interest when offered a choice between discussing the content of people’s posts versus telling everyone how wrong they are to have even posted them in the first place, **Stoid** tends to choose the latter. The question was settled and acknowledged at post #10, nothing to discuss further. What followed was from people who weren’t (and still aren’t) paying the slightest bit of attention to that fact. ---
**Author:** ![PlainJain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/5daacb/32.png) [@PlainJain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PlainJain)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2012, 7:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/know-anything-about-ecinbox-com-or-how-to-check-hk-retailer/611856/25 "2012-02-08T07:52:58Z")
Oh, we’re paying attention. Regardless of how much your mind is blown, this is an internet message board - this is how they work. This particular sub-forum is visited by opinion givers (the heading gives it away) - this is how they work. > [@Loach](#): > > Feel free to underline for emphasis. Gold. Fucking gold. ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2012, 8:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/know-anything-about-ecinbox-com-or-how-to-check-hk-retailer/611856/26 "2012-02-08T08:31:04Z")
Well, the ‘Verisign Secured’ logo on the site appears to be fake - it should be linked to a verification portal at Verisign (details [here](http://www.verisign.com/ssl/seal/index.html)), but it’s just a static image. Could just be bad website design, but more liklely it’s a warning sign, IMO. ‘Contact Us’ page is just a web form with no real-world contact info. Another danger sign. ETA: (I realise the question is resolved - just felt it might be useful to share the above) ---
**Author:** ![Stoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stoid/32/272_2.png) [@Stoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoid)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2012, 8:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/know-anything-about-ecinbox-com-or-how-to-check-hk-retailer/611856/27 "2012-02-08T08:39:47Z")
> [@PlainJain](#): > > Oh, we’re paying attention. Really? :dubious: > [@](#): > > Regardless of how much your mind is blown, …This particular sub-forum is visited by opinion givers (the heading gives it away) - this is how they work. The fact that people are offering opinions\* is not \*what blows my mind, as you know, because you pay attention. > [@](#): > > It never stops blowing my mind how much _people manage to read into things that aren’t ther_e, AND somehow _manage to extract what appears to be personal offense_ from things that aren’t there AND that have nothing to do with them > [@](#): > > Opine away, I don’t mind a bit. > > What I mind is being told that I asked for them (wrong) then rejected them out of hand (wrong) because what I really wanted was a round of applause (wrong, and kind of insane on its face because who gives a fuck if someone found a good deal?). No objecting to opinion anywhere, no surprise that they exist at all. In fact… > [@](#): > > China Guy’s post struck me as judgmental and ignorant without foundation… it was an unsupported blanket condemnation and I was calling him out on it. When China Guy expressed his opinion, I didn’t call him out for _the fact_ of his having an opinion, I took issue with _the content_ of that opinion. You know, the reverse of what someone else had tried to accuse me of. ---
**Author:** ![Stoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stoid/32/272_2.png) [@Stoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoid)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2012, 8:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/know-anything-about-ecinbox-com-or-how-to-check-hk-retailer/611856/28 "2012-02-08T08:41:41Z")
> [@Mangetout](#): > > Well, the ‘Verisign Secured’ logo on the site appears to be fake - it should be linked to a verification portal at Verisign (details [here](http://www.verisign.com/ssl/seal/index.html)), but it’s just a static image. > > Could just be bad website design, but more liklely it’s a warning sign, IMO. > > ‘Contact Us’ page is just a web form with no real-world contact info. Another danger sign. > > ETA: (I realise the question is resolved - just felt it might be useful to share the above) It’s all good to know for future reference. The scammers will always be coming up with new things to fake you out. ---
**Author:** ![Cheshire\_Human](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Cheshire\_Human](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheshire_Human)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2012, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/know-anything-about-ecinbox-com-or-how-to-check-hk-retailer/611856/29 "2012-02-08T17:05:41Z")
> [@Stoid](#): > > > [@Cheshire\_Human](#): > > > > Umm… You posted to a forum titled “In My Humble **Opinion** ”. That’s rather suggestive. > > Covered in the very post you quote. You don’t seriously expect people to _read_ your **walls** of underlined and _ **bolded italic** _ text, just to find out such a niggling little point, do you? Life’s too short for that. ---
**Author:** ![Stoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stoid/32/272_2.png) [@Stoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoid)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2012, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/know-anything-about-ecinbox-com-or-how-to-check-hk-retailer/611856/30 "2012-02-08T18:55:17Z")
> [@Cheshire\_Human](#): > > You don’t seriously expect people to _read_ your **walls** of underlined and _ **bolded italic** _ text, just to find out such a niggling little point, do you? > > Life’s too short for that. No, I expected them to read my short posts that lacked any kind of emphasis at all, which is exactly the way I wrote all of the original text in this thread, across the board. The wall below is every original post from me. Not my quotes of my posts where I emphasized the point that was missed when it wasn’t emphasized originally. As you can see for yourself, with the exception of three words, late in the thread when comprehension had already failed, nary an underline, italic or bold to be found anywhere. So it would appear that life’s actually too short to read much of anything at all except the name of the forum, the poster, the title of the post and a few proper nouns. > [@Stoid](#): > > I was looking for a specific product on Ebay and not finding it at the price I wanted, although I saw a fair number of ended auctions near the price I wanted. > > So I decided to check the web and I found [a website](http://www.ecinbox.com/) I’d never seen before carrying exactly what I wanted at exactly the price I wanted. But then I realized I had never heard of this company before, and since the product is valuable, I tried to find out if they were legit. > > They are in Hong Kong, and I’ve done a lot of business with HK retailers in and out of Ebay, but it was small potatoes and more familiar than these guys. > > So anyone know about them? I couldn’t find much of anything. No good, but also no bad. > > Anyone know a good way to find out? > [@](#): > > As I said, I’ve done business with HK companies with no problem. And the price is not suspicious - it matches a number of completed Ebay auctions for the same (used-it’s no longer sold new) item. If it was obviously radically lower than any other price anywhere that would be a warning I couldn’t ignore. > > But I posted this in hopes of getting actual information from someone who knew something or a way to find out; I’m not going to just dismiss the company as inherently untrustworthy simply for being overseas. > [@](#): > > If the deal is good, the question is why wouldn’t I? Your’re “Just sayin’” what? That used Apple goods are inherently bad? (Ridiculous) That the internet is inherently untrustworthy? (Ridiculous) That Hong Kong is inherently bad, untrustworthy, otherwise unsavory in some way you are failing to clarify? Also ridiculous. > > Scam artists are all over the globe, including next door to you. So are legitimate businesses. Welcome to the global village, make yourself at home. > [@](#): > > Thanks. And actually, it wasn’t too good to be true, as I made clear at the outset. The price was not extraordinary. It was the same price that someone paid on an Ebay auction two days ago. > [@](#): > > It never stops blowing my mind how much people manage to read into things that aren’t there, AND somehow manage to extract what appears to be personal offense from things that aren’t there AND that have nothing to do with them (which is how I read the attitude inserted into this post). > > A. Read the OP. I’ll give you a hundred bucks if you can show me where I asked for opinions. > > I know that many people confuse the two regularly, but that is a request for data, information, knowledge - not opinions. Opinion seeking would have looked more like: “So what do you guys think? What’s your feeling/thought/opinion/assumption/extrapolation?” > > B. Read the rest of the thread. I’ll give you another hundred if you can show me where I considered the deal “amazing”, particularly so amazing that I created the thread for the (completely weird) purpose of getting high fives (really? You know people who get some kind of ego boost out of finding a good deal on a product? How completely bizarre.): > > If you are somehow inferring all this from my response to China Guy while simultaneously ignoring all the stuff that contradicts it, let me explain: China Guy’s post struck me as judgmental and ignorant without foundation. It had nothing whatever to do with my feelings about my desire to buy this particular product or what I thought about this particular retailer, because his comment had nothing to do with either of those things, it was an unsupported blanket condemnation and I was calling him out on it. > > And finally this post is particularly puzzling since it comes after the posts where people shared **information** (vs. unsupported opinions based on assumptions) and resources for more information and I thanked them for doing so. > > (Yes, in IMHO, because I figured that there would be enough nebulous information to preclude this falling under being a “factual question” suitable for GD. Wherever I posted it shouldn’t matter, what I said should.) > [@](#): > > Covered in the very post you quote. > > Always a good plan to actually read the posts, vs. responding based on “suggestive” interpretations based name of the forum. Or next time someone posts about illness, death, and suffering in MPSIMS should we all feel free to make jokes or otherwise be uncaring about the posts, based on the fact that they posted their thread about their father’s death in the forum called MIscellaneous Pointeless Stuff I Must Share - if they posted it there it’s very “suggestive” that they consider thei father’s death, their divorce, their cat being run over “pointless”, right? > > :rolleyes: > [@](#): > > Opine away, I don’t mind a bit. > > What I mind is being told that I asked for them (wrong) then rejected them out of hand (wrong) because what I really wanted was a round of applause (wrong, and kind of insane on its face because who gives a fuck if someone found a good deal?). > [@](#): > > The question was settled and acknowledged at post #10, nothing to discuss further. > > What followed was from people who weren’t (and still aren’t) paying the slightest bit of attention to that fact. > [@](#): > > Really? :dubious: > > The fact that people are offering opinions\* is not \*what blows my mind, as you know, because you pay attention. > No objecting to opinion anywhere, no surprise that they exist at all. > > In fact… > When China Guy expressed his opinion, I didn’t call him out for _the fact_ of his having an opinion, I took issue with _the content_ of that opinion. You know, the reverse of what someone else had tried to accuse me of. > [@](#): > > It’s all good to know for future reference. The scammers will always be coming up with new things to fake you out. ---
**Author:** ![Cheshire\_Human](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Cheshire\_Human](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheshire_Human)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2012, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/know-anything-about-ecinbox-com-or-how-to-check-hk-retailer/611856/31 "2012-02-08T19:13:35Z")
Kinda made my point for me, there… Thanks! ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2012, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/know-anything-about-ecinbox-com-or-how-to-check-hk-retailer/611856/32 "2012-02-08T19:21:06Z")
Do these conversations go much differently in your mind, Stoid? ---
**Author:** ![Stoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stoid/32/272_2.png) [@Stoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoid)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2012, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/know-anything-about-ecinbox-com-or-how-to-check-hk-retailer/611856/33 "2012-02-08T21:13:06Z")
> [@Cheshire\_Human](#): > > Kinda made my point for me, there… Thanks! And you mine. Makes ya feel all warm and fuzzy. ---
**Author:** ![Ellen\_Cherry](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellen_cherry/32/3600_2.png) [@Ellen\_Cherry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ellen_Cherry)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2012, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/know-anything-about-ecinbox-com-or-how-to-check-hk-retailer/611856/34 "2012-02-09T14:35:30Z")
Everyone: how about we stop arguing about arguing? This goes for Stoid, this goes for the other participants in the thread. Keep posts on the topic of purchasing online. ---
**Author:** ![cmihail](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/aeb1de/32.png) [@cmihail](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmihail)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2012, 7:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/know-anything-about-ecinbox-com-or-how-to-check-hk-retailer/611856/35 "2012-03-28T07:25:53Z")
Hi Stoid, Stay clear from ecinbox they are a scam, I had purchased 2 pairs of beats earphones in December and i have yet to receive them. They offer paypal but when i went to pay they told me they are not set up for it and had to pay via international bank transfer. I questioned why they have that payment option on their site, i was told they are in the process of setting it up but not yet available. They were returning my messages and on line customer service was responding at the start prior to making payment. But after they had received the money they refused to return my emails, online customer service would connect and as soon as they found it was me on the other end they would disconnect. Their online chat customer service no longer came up to contact them. The status of my order on their website still appears as “processing” it has been like that since December, now almost April. They had sent me an invoice with 2 phone numbers which are non existent, I had this confirmed by Hong Kong telecom via Telstra. Their other business name is Dano Trade and the name that comes up is Hallen Lin (fake name as well no doubt). A coleague of mine has family in Hong Kong and he got one his family members to go check out one of the addresses that is listed on the website with the so called photos of their store. There was an electronics store there but it definately wasn’t ECINBOX nor Dano Trade. The Commonwealth Bank could not do anything more than contact the HK bank who had confirmed the money had been deposited to their account and they have tried to contact ECINBOX or Dano Trade but they do not respond. I have since reported them to both Apple and Monster. Stay away from them unless you want to lose your money just like i did. No more internet purchsing from me, i can no longer trust it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/know-anything-about-ecinbox-com-or-how-to-check-hk-retailer/611856.md?page=1)