# Know what? FUCK your thoughts and prayers **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 13, 2016, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/know-what-fuck-your-thoughts-and-prayers/757299 "2016-06-13T23:25:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![Randolph](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Randolph](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Randolph)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2016, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/know-what-fuck-your-thoughts-and-prayers/757299/201 "2016-06-15T16:31:20Z")
Hey, guys, I don’t have time to catch up with all the threads on this, so tell me, what did we decide - guns, good or bad? ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2016, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/know-what-fuck-your-thoughts-and-prayers/757299/202 "2016-06-15T16:49:56Z")
Neither one of you knuckle heads noticed how much you mention driving, did you? You seem to have wanted to compare alcohol to guns as though alcohol is some sort of weapon. Now you have to hurt yourselves bending over backwards to add all these other factors in to prove your point. None of that is neither here nor there. Every time sane people want to have a discussion about guns, gun nuts sprain themselves trying to turn the topic to fucking anything else -alcohol, pools, ladders, hammers whatever. No one the history of the world ever walked into a night club and killed 50 people with a pool, you know. ---
**Author:** ![Doyle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doyle/32/439_2.png) [@Doyle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Doyle)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2016, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/know-what-fuck-your-thoughts-and-prayers/757299/203 "2016-06-15T17:11:25Z")
This rant is about as meaningless as the “call for prayers” you’re complaining about. At least the latter has good intentions. ---
**Author:** ![Absolute](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b2d939/32.png) [@Absolute](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Absolute)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2016, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/know-what-fuck-your-thoughts-and-prayers/757299/204 "2016-06-15T17:15:53Z")
> [@](#): > > None of that is neither here nor there. Every time sane people want to have a discussion about guns, gun nuts sprain themselves trying to turn the topic to fucking anything else -alcohol, pools, ladders, hammers whatever. It’s not about “turning the topic” to something else. It’s about pointing out that almost every product, technology, and social policy has risks and costs and negative consequences associated with it, and that people accept and rationally balance the risks and costs of many things without question yet somehow completely reject as sociopathic the suggestion that you can perform the same cost/benefit analysis for guns. > [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > Neither one of you knuckle heads noticed how much you mention driving, did you? You seem to have wanted to compare alcohol to guns as though alcohol is some sort of weapon. > … > No one the history of the world ever walked into a night club and killed 50 people with a pool, you know. Other than the fact that you apparently have a much stronger emotional response to people being killed with a weapon, what’s the difference? Why is worth so much more effort to prevent gun deaths than the same number of deaths from some other cause? > [@](#): > > Now you have to hurt yourselves bending over backwards to add all these other factors in to prove your point. It’s not my fault if people who are incapable of abstract thought need to have the analogy beaten into their heads in order to accept it. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2016, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/know-what-fuck-your-thoughts-and-prayers/757299/205 "2016-06-15T17:18:55Z")
> [@Absolute](#): > > It’s not my fault if people who are incapable of abstract thought need to have the analogy beaten into their heads in order to accept it. It’s a little known fact that analogies cause as many deaths as guns and drunk drivers. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2016, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/know-what-fuck-your-thoughts-and-prayers/757299/206 "2016-06-15T18:05:12Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > Not this shit again. > > I challenge you to a duel. I get a .22, you get a case of Budweiser. What do you say? What are you going to do? Hold me down for 40 years and force me to drink it until my liver fails? I might be able to do more damage throwing the Budweiser bottles at you than you could with the 22. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2016, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/know-what-fuck-your-thoughts-and-prayers/757299/207 "2016-06-15T18:41:03Z")
In retrospect, probably not the best time to make a dumb .22 joke. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2016, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/know-what-fuck-your-thoughts-and-prayers/757299/208 "2016-06-15T18:47:03Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Count yourself among the active opposers of doing _anything_, those sickos who deserve nothing but contempt. Those who most desperately need to Shut The Fuck Up are you bad guys. Now shut the fuck up. No, I’m an active oppose of doings pointless shit because hyperventilating idiots feel the need to do something ANYTHING. I realize that you want the people who disagree with you to STFU. So does Trump. > [@](#): > > Yes, you don’t recognize that a right to \*life \*even exists, or matters. All else is irrelevant to your cherished right to your fetish. That right, to whatever degree you can imagine it exists, does need to be taken away from those, like you, who are incapable of understanding it. You’re an idiot and a tool of other idiots. You do more harm to your own cause than the NRA could ever do. People didn’t turn their back on gun control after Sandy Hook because the NRA scared them. They turned their back on gun control after Sandy Hook because the gun control side was so chock full of stupid, intentionally ignorant people like you that the entire gun control argument lost credibility. > [@](#): > > But you can still shut the fuck up, you know. That would start to help. The truth is a stubborn thing, especially when it doesn’t line up with what you desperately want to be true. > [@](#): > > The evidence is that he does. Not that you care, in your desperate need to avoid facing who you are and what that means. Really? So when he called 911, did he pledge allegiance to guns or to some Islamic state? > [@](#): > > Ask Officer Collier. It so happens I went by his memorial in Cambridge just yesterday. I don’t see how that negates, in any way, the damage that the Tsarnaev brothers did with a pressure cooker bomb. > [@](#): > > You’re part of the problem. You have nothing to offer but your own psychosis and your own desperate need to excuse murder after murder itself in order to avoid facing your own moral hollowness. If you had anything to offer that would save any lives at all, you could, but you can only oppose and ridicule and demand that some basic rate of murder should be accepted. Well, damn. Just shut the fuck up, okay? I only ridicule you because you are stupid and intentionally ignorant. My side of the argument is better off without the like of Ted Nugent and other idiots like him and your side of the argument is better off without the likes of you. > [@](#): > > Already listed. Again, you have nothing, just a desire to let the killings continue, and to deride those who, unlike you, have a basic respect for the value of human life. Now shut the fuck up and go get help, you sick fuck. Yep, lots and lots of stupid idea and futile impotent gestures. Keep acting tough, you big bad internet tough guy you. > [@](#): > > And there’s an example of how you have nothing to offer. Nothing, just derision. There is no time at which you are capable of realizing that it would be better not to provide it. I only insult you because you’re so fucking stupid I feel an obligation to society to shove your face in your stupidity in the hopes that you will learn to stop being so stupid. > [@](#): > > Can you even consider the possibility that the “bad guys” include _you_? Do you even have a definition of the term you so love to use, one which of course excludes you, after all these years of asking? No, of course not. You’re one of the sick psychos who should never be allowed to touch a gun. And you don’t even realize it’s possible the problem could be _you_. But it is. And you’re not even going to try to pretend this latest batch of killings even matters - this whole thing about caring for other people mystifies and enrages you too deeply, doesn’t it? No one thinks of themselves as the bad guy, not even you. There are some problems that involve guns that gun control can effectively address and there are some problems that involve guns that cannot be addressed through gun control short of a full gun ban and confiscation. But considering that we are constantly being told that no one wants to ban guns or confiscate guns, we can treat the second category as a group of problems that occur rarely and cannot be meaningfully addressed through gun control. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2016, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/know-what-fuck-your-thoughts-and-prayers/757299/209 "2016-06-15T19:01:02Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > Utter bullshit. I can go to a gun show in more than half the states in the country and purchase a military-grade assault rifle with no questions asked. A military grade assault rifle requires you to get a license from the FBI and pay a $200 stamp tax. Perhaps you meant a assault weapon and just added the words military grade in front of it because that would make it sound scarier or something. The fact of the matter is that there is no difference between an assault weapon and any other magazine loaded rifle. Perhaps your complaint is actually just the lack of universal background checks. In which case, I agree with you. If it wasn’t for the immense distrust that the gun rights side has for the gun control ide, we might even have it already. [quote] If can buy over the internet with virtually no regulation. This is your idea of “substantial legislation”? You honestly think that going a step further would be restricting people “too much”? Someone earlier brought up the asinine example of someone getting hit by a car… Yeah, guess what: it’s _harder_ to buy and operate a car than it is to buy and operate an AR-15. And cars have a primary function that isn’t “murdering other human beings”. > [@](#): > > Demanding universal background checks is “too much”? Keeping _some_ information on the people that own guns is “too much”? I agree with universal background checks. > [@](#): > > Banning the sale of guns to people on the fucking no-fly list is _“too much”_? Heck, even the ACLU thinks its too much. The no fly list is a travesty of due process in a modern democracy. But to use it to truncate constitutional rights is waaay too much. > [@](#): > > Good common-sense regulation like they have in almost every fucking country in the world. So yes, “more government”, because right now, the problem is very much “not enough government”. When I can go to a gun show and, no questions asked, buy an M16, the problem is clearly “not enough government”. You can’t buy an M-16 no questions asked and it makes you sound ignorant that you think that you can. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2016, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/know-what-fuck-your-thoughts-and-prayers/757299/210 "2016-06-15T19:04:01Z")
> [@russian\_heel](#): > > I also don’t think gay people should accept condolences or prayers from anti-gay rights activists who are also supposedly against violence against gays, like Glenn Beck claims to be. > > This “love the sinner, hate the sin” bullshit has to end. Either you support the LBGT+ community all the way, or you don’t. Save your hypocrisy: you don’t get to be against gay people but support them only when violent atrocities are committed against them. Thats like saying, “I don’t support equal rights for black people, but don’t condone violence against them.” > > Once you take one right from a group, its a slippery slope from there. You know who else feels that way about their rights? gun owners. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2016, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/know-what-fuck-your-thoughts-and-prayers/757299/211 "2016-06-15T19:07:12Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > Neither one of you knuckle heads noticed how much you mention driving, did you? You seem to have wanted to compare alcohol to guns as though alcohol is some sort of weapon. Now you have to hurt yourselves bending over backwards to add all these other factors in to prove your point. > > None of that is neither here nor there. Every time sane people want to have a discussion about guns, gun nuts sprain themselves trying to turn the topic to fucking anything else -alcohol, pools, ladders, hammers whatever. > > No one the history of the world ever walked into a night club and killed 50 people with a pool, you know. You drinking? Guns and cars can be dangerous in the hands of a human mind debilitated by drugs such as alcohol. Are you suggesting guns just get up under their own power and shoot people? ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2016, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/know-what-fuck-your-thoughts-and-prayers/757299/212 "2016-06-15T19:10:39Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > Hunting rifles, sure. But most handguns, and _definitely_ all assault rifles? No. They are designed with one thing in mind: efficiently incapacitating and killing humans. There is a difference between murder and killing people. You can kill people in self defense, you can’t murder them in self defense (unless you are black man in Jim Crow south). ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2016, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/know-what-fuck-your-thoughts-and-prayers/757299/213 "2016-06-15T19:12:25Z")
> [@Waymore](#): > > In what way is getting a driver’s license more restrictive than buying a gun? You have to show proficiency at driving. You have to get your picture taken. You have to take a written exam. There are plenty of ways that getting a gun is tougher but these are a few things that gun purchasers don’t have to deal with. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2016, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/know-what-fuck-your-thoughts-and-prayers/757299/214 "2016-06-15T19:15:34Z")
> [@Absolute](#): > > Other than the fact that you apparently have a much stronger emotional response to people being killed with a weapon, what’s the difference? Why is worth so much more effort to prevent gun deaths than the same number of deaths from some other cause? It isn’t, but you’re still not getting it. You came out with the tried and true, “yeah but what about alcohol,” gambit. I simply pointed out to you that (apart from your desperate attempt to change the subject) you cannot compare the two straight up. Alcohol itself only kills those who abuse it. And hey, you want to drink yourself to death? Let me be the first to toast to your freedom. Now if we must delve into, “yeah but what about drunk driving,” then fine. No drunk driver ever heads out onto the road with intention of getting into an accident and killing someone, as opposed to shit like what happened in Orlando - that seemed pretty fucking intentional to me. And there isn’t a rational soul who defends drunk driving, even though not every drunk driver hurts someone. And we tend to tighten down those drunk driving laws to try to actually try to do something about drunk driving deaths. But when someone says that we must do something about gun deaths, the only thing I ever hear is, “Ya’ll ain’t grabbin’ my gun, ya liberal pussy!” ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2016, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/know-what-fuck-your-thoughts-and-prayers/757299/215 "2016-06-15T19:16:48Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > You drinking? > > Guns and cars can be dangerous in the hands of a human mind debilitated by drugs such as alcohol. Are you suggesting guns just get up under their own power and shoot people? As much as you’re suggesting that alcohol can drive a car. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2016, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/know-what-fuck-your-thoughts-and-prayers/757299/216 "2016-06-15T19:21:47Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > **Damuri, Shagnasty** , here’s a fine example for you. **Waymore** is one of you. He exemplifies your pro-murder stance. He thinks what you do, he shares the idea that exercising your shared fetish is more important than life itself. Except, unlike you psychos, he has the courage to say it. > > This pitting was really of the non-psychos who preen about their concern but won’t fucking act on it, but yes, the problem they need to act on is \*you, \*and the disease you and so many other American suffer from. You do need to have your toys and the amendment you cower behind taken away from you. Hey gun control advocates, here’s a fine example for you. Elvis Lives is one of you. he exemplifies your retarded idiotic stupid ignorant stance. he thinks what you do. He shares the idea that you should do something, ANYTHING… any time he hears about someone getting shot in the news. Except unlike you cowards, he has the courage to say it. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2016, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/know-what-fuck-your-thoughts-and-prayers/757299/217 "2016-06-15T19:32:01Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > Except there’s no reason to think any of that would do anything but _increase_ the rate of violence. > > As well, freedom of speech is important in ensuring people’s freedom,while one of the primary function of gun advocacy is destroy people’s freedom as much as possible. Both directly through terror tactics, and by encouraging people to focus on the useless “right” to own a gun while the rights that \*actually matter \*are taken away. > > Pro-gun people don’t care about free speech, opposing torture or false imprisonment or any other form of human rights; they’d cheerfully see the world turned into a totalitarian dictatorship as long as they could clutch their stupid guns. > > Nor do I believe for a moment that a significant number of pro-gun people felt any sympathy whatsoever about the killings. Some didn’t care; most probably cheered inside. Both because the victims were “sinners”, and because they saw an opportunity to push their holy gun fetish. Human life is meaningless to them; guns are important. The second amendment in this country DEPENDS on the first amendment. Bundy ranchers aside, I can’t think of a time when the second amendment preserved any of the other constitutional rights but the first amendment has been preserving the right to bear arms since as far back as I can remember. Pro-gun folks are not all back counry, bible thumping gay bashers. And the ones that are bible thumping, back country gay bashers are probably at least a little conflicted about how to feel about islamic terrorists attacking our gay community. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2016, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/know-what-fuck-your-thoughts-and-prayers/757299/218 "2016-06-15T19:37:18Z")
> [@boffking](#): > > Tell that to all the police officers who were involved an an extended shootout with the Tsarnaev brothers. Remember the marathon wasn’t the only time they struck. A few days later they shot officer Sean Collier to death, stole a car, and caused a citywide lockdown. Many other police officers were injured that day. So how does that diminish the damage they did without guns? ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2016, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/know-what-fuck-your-thoughts-and-prayers/757299/219 "2016-06-15T19:39:26Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > You are absolutely correct-he had a [Sig Sauer MCX](http://www.gunsandammo.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/2/files/first-look-sig-sauer-mcx/sig_sauer_mcx_carbine.jpg). Is this another of those guns that people supposedly use all the time as hunting rifles, or can we safely call this one an “assault rifle” without repercussion? Well, one little quibble. its not an assault rifle. Its probably an assault weapon. The confusion is understandable because it is intentional. They intentionally used the term “assault weapon” to get you think this it was like an assault rifle when its really just a rifle with modern accessories. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2016, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/know-what-fuck-your-thoughts-and-prayers/757299/220 "2016-06-15T19:45:48Z")
> [@Scylla](#): > > Feb 2, 2001. Five foot three inch 41 year old elementary school principal Norina Bentzel fought off and disarmed a 6 ft Iraqi war veteran wielding a razor sharp machete who was attacking teachers and students. She did so with her bare hands and with no training. The Sandy Hook massacre did have one silver lining. It shamed the conservatives that were attacking teachers as money grubbing, greedy parasites on society that put their selfish avarice ahead of the welfare of the children in their charge. That doesn’t mean we should give the teacher’s union everything it wants but fuck those guys that were demonizing teachers in order to try to break their union. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/know-what-fuck-your-thoughts-and-prayers/757299.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/know-what-fuck-your-thoughts-and-prayers/757299.md?page=12)