# Know what? FUCK your thoughts and prayers **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 13, 2016, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/know-what-fuck-your-thoughts-and-prayers/757299 "2016-06-13T23:25:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2016, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/know-what-fuck-your-thoughts-and-prayers/757299/221 "2016-06-15T19:48:30Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > Funny story a while back… In China, someone tried to go on a rampage with a knife. He ended up stabbing 13 people before he was apprehended. Zero fatalities. Isn’t it odd just how few mass killings there are without guns? It’s almost as if all these other tools one can use to murder someone with are infinitely less effective, particularly in the context of multiple victims. You can theoretically overpower a dude with a knife, particularly if there’s multiple people. Rushing the guy with the gun is a good way to become an hero. And people wonder why pro-gun folks think that the gun control folks want to ban and confiscate guns. I might even support with you if you could figure out a way to accomplish this gun free society without a decades long period of unarmed civilians living in a society with armed criminals. ---
**Author:** ![joyfool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/df788c/32.png) [@joyfool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joyfool)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2016, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/know-what-fuck-your-thoughts-and-prayers/757299/222 "2016-06-15T20:13:14Z")
Good Lord, no offense, **Damuri** , but have you ever heard of the multi-quote feature? Or are you aiming for a personal best of 100 solo quotes in a row? ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2016, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/know-what-fuck-your-thoughts-and-prayers/757299/223 "2016-06-15T20:54:56Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > …There will be no symbolic but futile gestures from me. I’m not wasting any time with any more fucking peace rallies. Let’s all get on with actually saving lives, for pity’s sake. I believe your post qualifies as a symbolic and futile gesture. Peace rallies make people feel better. It helps people realize that they are not alone in their grief. Prayer helps believers feel better. It’s their choice, not yours. You chose to chastise others because you reject their personal methods of dealing with grief. I assume it makes you feel better. Your choice. In Orlando, a pathological monster chose to murder as many people as he could and you chose to blame an inanimate object for the murders. The monster could have firebomb a club or created an ammonia nitrate/fertilizer bomb. The monster chose to be a mass murderer and it appears that other people were aware of the monster’s plans. Banning firearms doesn’t prevent a mass murdering monster from becoming a mass murdering monster. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2016, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/know-what-fuck-your-thoughts-and-prayers/757299/224 "2016-06-15T21:51:10Z")
**doorhinge, Damuri Ajashi,** well done on recognizing **ElvisL1ives’s** imbecilic symbolic futile gesture for what it is: symbolic, futile, and stupid to a degree that only he, given his profound stupidity, could deliver it. But he has got me thinking about going to get a gun. I meant those stupid people out there can be dangerous. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2016, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/know-what-fuck-your-thoughts-and-prayers/757299/225 "2016-06-15T22:38:21Z")
> [@faithfool](#): > > Good Lord, no offense, **Damuri** , but have you ever heard of the multi-quote feature? Or are you aiming for a personal best of 100 solo quotes in a row? He’s doing a fine job showing how he’s at best temperamentally unsuited to touch a weapon, and more realistically simply lacks the neural functionality that normals use to grasp the value of human life. He claims to be for certain measure, but gloats when they fail. So he’s not only responding to the voices in his head, he’s even lying to himself - another sign of psychosis. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2016, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/know-what-fuck-your-thoughts-and-prayers/757299/226 "2016-06-15T22:40:02Z")
> [@Doyle](#): > > This rant is about as meaningless as the “call for prayers” you’re complaining about. At least the latter has good intentions. Not if they don’t intend to \*do \*anything to stop the next one, just help themselves feel righteous about it. Which, if you’d read it, was the point. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2016, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/know-what-fuck-your-thoughts-and-prayers/757299/227 "2016-06-15T22:43:24Z")
> [@Absolute](#): > > you can’t imagine the idea of a person being confident (and correct) in stating they will never use their gun to commit a crime. But don’t project your own insanity onto the rest of us. Count you too among the gun owners who think they’re just \*different \*somehow, that what happens with all those other idiots in the news could never happen to you. Good luck with that. Sincerely, I do hope you never find out the hard way, and that others don’t suffer because of it. Oh, **Idle Thoughts**? I hadn’t realized you were 7 years old. In a discussion about human life and how to save it, all you have is “Yeah, well, you’re a dick!” Did the teacher keep you inside from recess today or what? :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Absolute](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b2d939/32.png) [@Absolute](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Absolute)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2016, 3:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/know-what-fuck-your-thoughts-and-prayers/757299/228 "2016-06-16T03:44:02Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Count you too among the gun owners who think they’re just \*different \*somehow, that what happens with all those other idiots in the news could never happen to you. > > Good luck with that. Sincerely, I do hope you never find out the hard way, and that others don’t suffer because of it. Well, let’s see. There are 300,000,000 guns in the US, and 30,000 gun deaths per year. That amounts to something like a 0.01% chance each year that any of my guns will be used to kill someone (including myself) for any reason. If I live for 10,000 years, maybe something bad would happen. I think I’ll rest easy tonight. You are so caught up in your irrational hatred that you’re completely disconnected from reality. ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2016, 3:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/know-what-fuck-your-thoughts-and-prayers/757299/229 "2016-06-16T03:56:08Z")
> [@Absolute](#): > > Well, let’s see. There are 300,000,000 guns in the US, and 30,000 gun deaths per year. That amounts to something like a 0.01% chance each year that any of my guns will be used to kill someone (including myself) for any reason. If I live for 10,000 years, maybe something bad would happen. . . . Actually, even better odds, because many killings are multiple. In Florida, two guns killed 49 people. On the other hand, 30,000 people is far too damned many, and something can be done to reduce this number. ---
**Author:** ![russian\_heel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f05b48/32.png) [@russian\_heel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/russian_heel)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2016, 5:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/know-what-fuck-your-thoughts-and-prayers/757299/230 "2016-06-16T05:58:16Z")
> [@Waymore](#): > > That’s a blatant false dilemma. Yes, it is. Only non-falsehood is it’s 100% correct. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2016, 10:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/know-what-fuck-your-thoughts-and-prayers/757299/231 "2016-06-16T10:17:01Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Back on topic again: House Republicans are pondering what to do about [various anti-anti-discrimination](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/wp/2016/06/14/house-gop-forced-to-choose-whether-to-wade-into-lgbt-rights-after-orlando-shooting/) votes currently pending. Presumably even the most tone-deaf amongst them have realized that blocking or negating anti-discrimination legislation aimed at protecting LGBT people at the moment would look kind of bad. Best to wait until a few more mass murders have gone through the news cycle before they go back to treating LGBT people as second-class citizens again. And there was me thinking the GOP might at least pretend to be decent people. [More fool me](http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/06/house-gop-blocks-vote-lgbt-rights-amendment). > [@Randolph](#): > > Hey, guys, I don’t have time to catch up with all the threads on this, so tell me, what did we decide - guns, good or bad? Guns okay. People with guns - still discussing. > [@Doyle](#): > > This rant is about as meaningless as the “call for prayers” you’re complaining about. At least the latter has good intentions. Not really. Many of the people doing it are looking to deflect attention away from their own inaction or culpability, as the above demonstrates. > [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Hey gun control advocates, here’s a fine example for you. Elvis Lives is one of you. he exemplifies your retarded idiotic stupid ignorant stance. he thinks what you do. He shares the idea that you should do something, ANYTHING… any time he hears about someone getting shot in the news. Except unlike you cowards, he has the courage to say it. Do you really want to define a position by its most idiotic advocates? Because you’ve got more than a few idiots on your side of the fence too. > [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Pro-gun folks are not all back counry, bible thumping gay bashers. Oh I see. Pro-gun people are a diverse range of individuals of all backgrounds with entirely rational bases for their views, but gun control advocates are a monolithic block who all want an absolute ban on all guns due entirely to kneejerk reactions to public tragedies and with no substantial data to present. Yeah, that’s fair. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2016, 10:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/know-what-fuck-your-thoughts-and-prayers/757299/232 "2016-06-16T10:46:23Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Do you really want to define a position by its most idiotic advocates? Because you’ve got more than a few idiots on your side of the fence too. That was his point; look at the post he was quoting, and replying to, and mimicking; it’s admittedly invisible if you skip the copy-and-pasted bit, but it kinda sorta can’t be missed if you read 'em back-to-back. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2016, 11:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/know-what-fuck-your-thoughts-and-prayers/757299/233 "2016-06-16T11:04:11Z")
> [@Absolute](#): > > You are so caught up in your irrational hatred that you’re completely disconnected from reality. Says the guy who denies there’s a problem at all. What is the rate of murders that you think we should consider acceptable? It’s at least 30,000 per year, as you’ve established, but is it more? Is there any number that would let you think there’s something wrong, instead of offering only derision of those who don’t accept your own number? FYI You’d be the first of the board’s fetishists to answer that one at all, much less honestly. Right, **Damuri**? ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2016, 11:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/know-what-fuck-your-thoughts-and-prayers/757299/234 "2016-06-16T11:48:09Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > That was his point; look at the post he was quoting, and replying to, and mimicking; it’s admittedly invisible if you skip the copy-and-pasted bit, but it kinda sorta can’t be missed if you read 'em back-to-back. Okay, I missed that. I plead brain dumbitude. ---
**Author:** ![Omar\_Little](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omar_little/32/269_2.png) [@Omar\_Little](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omar_Little)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2016, 1:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/know-what-fuck-your-thoughts-and-prayers/757299/235 "2016-06-16T13:28:12Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > What is the rate of murders that you think we should consider acceptable? It’s at least 30,000 per year, as you’ve established, but is it more? Total homicides per year is actually approx. 16,000. By firearm, is about 10,000. The other 20,000 firearm deaths per year are primarily from suicide. This is still too many. However, statistically, homicides by firearms have been on a steady decline since reaching a peak in the mid 1990’s (roughly 50% decline) even though firearm purchases have been on a steady rise. So something has been working to reduce firearm homicides in the US. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2016, 1:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/know-what-fuck-your-thoughts-and-prayers/757299/236 "2016-06-16T13:32:47Z")
> [@Omar\_Little](#): > > However, statistically, homicides by firearms have been on a steady decline since reaching a peak in the mid 1990’s (roughly 50% decline) even though firearm purchases have been on a steady rise. So something has been working to reduce firearm homicides in the US. IIRC firearm purchases are up, but not firearm purchasers. Which suggests that the people who have guns are buying more guns, not that significantly more people are buying guns. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2016, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/know-what-fuck-your-thoughts-and-prayers/757299/237 "2016-06-16T13:47:22Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > IIRC firearm purchases are up, but not firearm purchasers. Which suggests that the people who have guns are buying more guns, not that significantly more people are buying guns. Yup, [household gun ownership rates have been declining](http://demographicdata.org/facts-and-figures/gun-ownership-statistics/) from a high of about 50% in the mid-70s to about 30% currently. ---
**Author:** ![Omar\_Little](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omar_little/32/269_2.png) [@Omar\_Little](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omar_Little)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2016, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/know-what-fuck-your-thoughts-and-prayers/757299/238 "2016-06-16T13:55:53Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > IIRC firearm purchases are up, but not firearm purchasers. Considering, other than anecdotal data of gun shop owners, there is no database of individual gun purchases by person. There are several studies that have shown that more women have been purchasing firearms over the last several years. And there are surveys that have been done supposedly showing that household gun ownership is in decline, but do you really trust surveys of people calling a household and asking if they own any guns for people to respond with honesty with all of the fear, mistrust and conspiracy theorists of the government trying to track gun ownership. Regardless, homicide by firearms rates are declining. Again, something must be working. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2016, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/know-what-fuck-your-thoughts-and-prayers/757299/239 "2016-06-16T13:56:11Z")
> [@Omar\_Little](#): > > Total homicides per year is actually approx. 16,000. By firearm, is about 10,000. The other 20,000 firearm deaths per year are primarily from suicide. > > This is still too many. > > However, statistically, homicides by firearms have been on a steady decline since reaching a peak in the mid 1990’s (roughly 50% decline) even though firearm purchases have been on a steady rise. So something has been working to reduce firearm homicides in the US. And horrible as these mass killings are, they account for only about 1% of gun deaths in the US. Focusing our policy decision on mass shootings, while understandable due to media coverage, is missing 99% of the problem. ---
**Author:** ![Omar\_Little](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omar_little/32/269_2.png) [@Omar\_Little](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omar_Little)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2016, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/know-what-fuck-your-thoughts-and-prayers/757299/240 "2016-06-16T14:05:26Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > And horrible as these mass killings are, they account for only about 1% of gun deaths in the US. Focusing our policy decision on mass shootings, while understandable due to media coverage, is missing 99% of the problem. Yes, but ignorant people like the OP eat this shit up and feel like a SJW. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/know-what-fuck-your-thoughts-and-prayers/757299.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/know-what-fuck-your-thoughts-and-prayers/757299.md?page=13)