# Know what? FUCK your thoughts and prayers **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 13, 2016, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/know-what-fuck-your-thoughts-and-prayers/757299 "2016-06-13T23:25:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Sitnam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Sitnam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sitnam)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2016, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/know-what-fuck-your-thoughts-and-prayers/757299/21 "2016-06-14T01:31:57Z")
> [@Waymore](#): > > If valuing freedom is a fetish, then I’m guilty. I wonder how many 2nd Amendment fanatics can even name another passed the first two. Most can’t even get the 1st correct, proven whenever they cry their xenophobic close minded bigotry is called out by another citizen. ---
**Author:** ![dracoi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/90db22/32.png) [@dracoi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dracoi)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2016, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/know-what-fuck-your-thoughts-and-prayers/757299/22 "2016-06-14T01:35:53Z")
> [@Sitnam](#): > > That has to be difficult to do. Was she also in a swimming pool at the time and smoking? She was on a bike and got hit by a car. Perhaps there’s a better way to phrase it, but it’s not all that difficult. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2016, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/know-what-fuck-your-thoughts-and-prayers/757299/23 "2016-06-14T01:50:17Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Never tried, probably, or even thought about it. No, he’s telling us that he himself is proudly \*part \*of the evil that exists in the world. Yeah. That’s just that bullshit. A crazy person inspired by primitive superstitions is not my fault. It’s not any responsible acting person’s fault. People have freedom to do act and some take that freedom and commit atrocities. That’s not a problem of freedom. It’s a problem of an imperfect world. Trampling on fundamental rights because we live in an imperfect world is stupid. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2016, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/know-what-fuck-your-thoughts-and-prayers/757299/24 "2016-06-14T01:52:19Z")
> [@Sitnam](#): > > I wonder how many 2nd Amendment fanatics can even name another passed the first two. Most can’t even get the 1st correct, proven whenever they cry their xenophobic close minded bigotry is called out by another citizen. Passed or past? I can name many but there is no point. ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2016, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/know-what-fuck-your-thoughts-and-prayers/757299/25 "2016-06-14T01:53:46Z")
> [@Waymore](#): > > Evil exists in the world. Legislating away law abiding people’s rights won’t change that. Neither will righteous indignation. And gun laws should be abolished because law-abiding people don’t need them. :smack: Let’s just eliminate all laws, mmmkay, and descend into anarchy? ---
**Author:** ![Waymore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@Waymore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Waymore)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2016, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/know-what-fuck-your-thoughts-and-prayers/757299/26 "2016-06-14T01:54:55Z")
> [@Sitnam](#): > > So… No comment on how gun enthusiasts might agree on steps to alleviate this problem while also not ‘legislating away rights of law abiding people’? > > Or is ‘evil exists in the world’ pretty much the only contribution to the discussion we can expect from them? I disagree with the characterization that anybody who resists gun control is some sort of gun nut who is no doubt attracted to firearms to make up for underlying inadequacies. Furthermore, there really isn’t a lot of gray area in this debate. There is already substantial legislation in place that regulates the sale and use of firearms. Asking that law abiding people be further restricted is too much. So, any comment on how gun grabbers might agree on ways to alleviate this problem, or is “more government” pretty much the only contribution to the discussion we can expect from them? ---
**Author:** ![Waymore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@Waymore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Waymore)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2016, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/know-what-fuck-your-thoughts-and-prayers/757299/27 "2016-06-14T01:56:32Z")
> [@Sitnam](#): > > I wonder how many 2nd Amendment fanatics can even name another passed the first two. Most can’t even get the 1st correct, proven whenever they cry their xenophobic close minded bigotry is called out by another citizen. That’s not an argument. It’s an amalgamation of clichés and stereotypes applied to anybody you disagree with. ---
**Author:** ![Drunky\_Smurf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drunky_smurf/32/449_2.png) [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2016, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/know-what-fuck-your-thoughts-and-prayers/757299/28 "2016-06-14T01:59:08Z")
> [@Merneith](#): > > Offering thoughts and prayers after a shooting is absolutely the least anyone can do. I don’t think you are thinking big enough. I would say not even offering thoughts and prayers is the least anyone can do. ---
**Author:** ![Waymore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@Waymore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Waymore)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2016, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/know-what-fuck-your-thoughts-and-prayers/757299/29 "2016-06-14T02:01:54Z")
> [@nearwildheaven](#): > > And gun laws should be abolished because law-abiding people don’t need them. > > :smack: > > Let’s just eliminate all laws, mmmkay, and descend into anarchy? Is this suppose to be a serious response? ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2016, 2:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/know-what-fuck-your-thoughts-and-prayers/757299/30 "2016-06-14T02:09:59Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > We know the drill from long practice. After yet another mass killing, something that happens literally every few days in the US, there are cries of sympathy for the families, peace vigils, relentless shared Facebook posts, paeans to love, and prayers that God will somehow change people’s hearts. > > But essentially no insistence on actual legislation or changes in policies, funding for mental health treatment, identification of dangerous persons, training and licensing requirements, any of the sensible methods for preventing these things from happening again. If you’re not doing any of that, go fuck yourself with that vigil candle, okay? You knew the last time and the time before and the time before that back to infinity what it takes to actually save lives in the future. And you didn’t do shit but wring your hands, make a headband or something with whatever color is trendy among the useless, hell, you know what you did and didn’t do. And you’re doing it, or \*not \*doing it, again, aren’t you? You know there are more people dead today, and every day, because you couldn’t be bothered to do anything but congratulate yourself on loving and praying and showing symbols to other people like you. And those dead people’s blood is largely on your hands too. > > Did you settle for just praying for people to become better persons? For God to reach people’s hearts and create love? Did it stop with handwringing for you? Then guess what, Sparky, you’re part of the fucking _problem_, aren’t you? What do suppose God thinks of you making excuses for your inaction and putting the responsibility on Him, huh? That’s not why we’re here, and you damn well know that’s not what you’ve been taught is right, even if it makes you feel good about yourself for a moment. Because it’s going to happen again and again and again until you get off your pew and do what you know you need to do. > > Now start demanding effective registration and licensing and sales tracking and you know the rest. Start demanding the repeal of the Second Amendment, behind which so many cowards have hidden. > > If you’re actually opposing doing anything to save lives, well, you’re going to hell anyway, but in the meanwhile please turn in your toys and shut the fuck up too. You’ve already shown you have nothing to contribute, just more denials and lies and opposition and denigration and fantasies about resisting tyranny, and _not a single damn thing_ that would save a single damn life. You don’t even care. There’s no reaching you except to point out that “the bad guys” are _you_. > > There will be no symbolic but futile gestures from me. I’m not wasting any time with any more fucking peace rallies. Let’s all get on with actually saving lives, for pity’s sake. Maybe we should ban all muslims from entering the country like Trump wants. Oh that wouldn’t have done anything to prevent this massacre? Well, neither would anything you have ever proposed. If in the effort to stop all acts of terror, we trample our own rights, the terrorist will have won. This guys doesn’t represent gun owners any more than he represents muslims. This guy’s ideology is every bit a factor in this incident as the guns he carried. Don’t believe he could have accomplished so much evil without guns? Ask the Tsarnaev brothers. But don’t mind me. I’m just dying to see what non-futile actions you are going to take. Internet tough guy here about to take some non-futile actions, make room for the internet tough guy. The fact is that the idiots on the gun control side who fucked themselves in the eye after Sandy hook are aiming to fuck the same exact eye socket again by going after assault weapons bans again. You can’t make this shit up, they are literally thinking to themselves, America was turned off of gun control in the wake of dozens are dead school children because they realized assault weapons ban were so stupid but now that its dead homosexuals they will totally jump on the assault weapons ban bandwagon. ---
**Author:** ![Truman\_Burbank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecc23a/32.png) [@Truman\_Burbank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Truman_Burbank)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2016, 2:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/know-what-fuck-your-thoughts-and-prayers/757299/31 "2016-06-14T02:25:48Z")
Right. I mean, it’s like the example of Australia doesn’t even exist. All I hear about, day and night, is Aussies bitching about how they’ve lost all their rights. ---
**Author:** ![Waymore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@Waymore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Waymore)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2016, 2:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/know-what-fuck-your-thoughts-and-prayers/757299/32 "2016-06-14T02:28:52Z")
> [@Truman\_Burbank](#): > > Right. I mean, it’s like the example of Australia doesn’t even exist. All I hear about, day and night, is Aussies bitching about how they’ve lost all their rights. Just because they don’t bitch about their losing their rights isn’t proof that they didn’t. ---
**Author:** ![Truman\_Burbank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecc23a/32.png) [@Truman\_Burbank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Truman_Burbank)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2016, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/know-what-fuck-your-thoughts-and-prayers/757299/33 "2016-06-14T02:40:35Z")
> [@Waymore](#): > > Just because they don’t bitch about their losing their rights isn’t proof that they didn’t. So when you compare their rates of gun violence to ours, you believe that what ‘rights’ we retain is worth the cost? What have the Aussies lost that you couldn’t live without if we could reduce gun violence as dramatically as Australia did? ---
**Author:** ![Waymore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@Waymore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Waymore)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2016, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/know-what-fuck-your-thoughts-and-prayers/757299/34 "2016-06-14T02:45:19Z")
> [@Truman\_Burbank](#): > > So when you compare their rates of gun violence to ours, you believe that what ‘rights’ we retain is worth the cost? Yes. > [@Truman\_Burbank](#): > > What have the Aussies lost that you couldn’t live without if we could reduce gun violence as dramatically as Australia did? The right to own guns for starters. ---
**Author:** ![Truman\_Burbank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecc23a/32.png) [@Truman\_Burbank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Truman_Burbank)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2016, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/know-what-fuck-your-thoughts-and-prayers/757299/35 "2016-06-14T03:08:06Z")
So I checked Wikipedia, and you could own a rifle or shotgun. A handgun, not so much. What’s the problem with that? If you could read this, and get back to me? [Gun Control: What It's Like to Own Guns in Australia | Time](http://time.com/4172274/what-its-like-to-own-guns-in-a-country-with-strict-gun-control/) ---
**Author:** ![Waymore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@Waymore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Waymore)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2016, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/know-what-fuck-your-thoughts-and-prayers/757299/36 "2016-06-14T03:16:10Z")
> [@Truman\_Burbank](#): > > So I checked Wikipedia, and you could own a rifle or shotgun. A handgun, not so much. What’s the problem with that? One group of people telling another group of people what they can and can’t own is the problem. Besides, it’s hard to take the arguments of gun grabbers seriously. Lifestyle choices kill far, far, far more people than gun violence in the US. If the goal is saving lives, you’d be far more effective banning French fries and being a lazy fuck. ---
**Author:** ![Sitnam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Sitnam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sitnam)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2016, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/know-what-fuck-your-thoughts-and-prayers/757299/37 "2016-06-14T03:16:54Z")
> [@Waymore](#): > > That’s not an argument. It’s an amalgamation of clichés and stereotypes applied to anybody you disagree with. Don’t stomp on my freedom! ---
**Author:** ![Sitnam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Sitnam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sitnam)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2016, 3:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/know-what-fuck-your-thoughts-and-prayers/757299/38 "2016-06-14T03:26:43Z")
> [@dracoi](#): > > She was on a bike and got hit by a car. Perhaps there’s a better way to phrase it, but it’s not all that difficult. But if she was a smoker her life would also be cut short. If there was a pool she could have drowned. You see? There is no point to having any laws, law breakers will always ignore them. And yet good people still die for no reason all the time. Hence we must transcend governmental restrictions on liberty at every turn! Perhaps that’s just hyperbole, perhaps existing in a free country means nothing less than not inconveniencing your hobby in anyway. Or perhaps you shouldn’t waste anyone’s time with moronic false equivalences. ---
**Author:** ![Waymore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@Waymore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Waymore)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2016, 3:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/know-what-fuck-your-thoughts-and-prayers/757299/39 "2016-06-14T03:28:18Z")
> [@Sitnam](#): > > Don’t stomp on my freedom! With eloquent spokespersons such as yourself on the anti-gun side, it’s a minor miracle your side hasn’t carried the day. ---
**Author:** ![Sitnam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Sitnam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sitnam)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2016, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/know-what-fuck-your-thoughts-and-prayers/757299/40 "2016-06-14T03:35:52Z")
> [@Waymore](#): > > With eloquent spokespersons such as yourself on the anti-gun side, it’s a minor miracle your side hasn’t carried the day. I was making fun of Post #13, your contribution. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/know-what-fuck-your-thoughts-and-prayers/757299.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/know-what-fuck-your-thoughts-and-prayers/757299.md?page=3)