# Koch Brothers at it again...but WTH???? **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [July 11, 2011, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/koch-brothers-at-it-again-but-wth/588646 "2011-07-11T17:17:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Omar\_Little](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omar_little/32/269_2.png) [@Omar\_Little](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omar_Little)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2011, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/koch-brothers-at-it-again-but-wth/588646/1 "2011-07-11T17:17:19Z")
Seems that a foreign subsidiary of the Koctopus admitted last year to the Federal Election Commission that it had made $26,800 in [illegal political contributions](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/01/koch-industries-subsidiar_n_888996.html) to various groups from 2005-2009. Foreign companies, even foreign subsidiaries of US companies, are not permitted to make political contributions in the US. It’s a no-no. So what did Charles and David do? The admitted their wrong-doing, paid a fine and requested the contributions back from the recepients. But the largest recepient has so far not given the funds back. Guess who it was? The Democratic Governors Association. I thought these guys were solid Republicans. WTF? ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Tildrum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e95f7d/32.png) [@Tom\_Tildrum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Tildrum)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2011, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/koch-brothers-at-it-again-but-wth/588646/2 "2011-07-11T18:50:01Z")
[Here](http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0910/Kochs_gave_196000_to_Democrats_in_2010_cycle.html) is Politico on the Kochs’ 2010 contributions to Democrats. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2011, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/koch-brothers-at-it-again-but-wth/588646/3 "2011-07-12T01:05:33Z")
Of course they admitted it, so they could take the Democrats to task when they couldn’t give it all back. ---
**Author:** ![rowrrbazzle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rowrrbazzle/32/414_2.png) [@rowrrbazzle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rowrrbazzle)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2011, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/koch-brothers-at-it-again-but-wth/588646/4 "2011-07-12T03:38:15Z")
And yet the Kochs are on the mail/phone list of the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee, chaired by Senator Patty Murray. The DSCC has actually asked the evil Kochs for five-figures’ worth of their filthy lucre. [http://www.kochfacts.com/kf/letter-to-senator-patty-murray-chair-democratic-senatorial-campaign-committee/](http://www.kochfacts.com/kf/letter-to-senator-patty-murray-chair-democratic-senatorial-campaign-committee/) ---
**Author:** ![BDBoop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/5e9695/32.png) [@BDBoop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BDBoop)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2011, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/koch-brothers-at-it-again-but-wth/588646/5 "2011-08-02T16:45:19Z")
Funny how this got moved to “Mundane, Pointless” - why? > **[How to Take Our Country Back From the Money Men who Fund the Tea Party](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/money-men-tea-party_b_915997)** > > A small number of incredibly wealthy businessmen have created an ideological machine determined to destroy government. Taking our country back and making government function requires making the deep-pocket money men visible. The article in Huffpo is simply the most recent/high visibility. [SHEP SMITH: The Koch Brothers Are Behind Gov. Attempt To Bust Unions](http://www.businessinsider.com/shep-smith-koch-brothers-wisconsin-video-2011-2) [Koch Brothers’ ALEC Tentacles Creep Into Your State | Truthout](http://www.truth-out.org/koch-brothers-tentacles-your-state/1310997611) [Daily Kos: The Koch Brothers’ End Game in Wisconsin](http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/02/21/947947/-The-Koch-Brothers-End-Game-in-Wisconsin) [Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker: Funded by the Koch Bros. | Mother Jones](http://motherjones.com/mojo/2011/02/wisconsin-scott-walker-koch-brothers) [Did Scott Walker Get Crank-Call Pwned? (AUDIO) UPDATE: YES | Mother Jones](http://motherjones.com/mojo/2011/02/scott-walker-koch-brother-crank-call-wisconsin) My personal favorite, inclusive of Governor Scott Walker talking to “David Koch” (audio). ---
**Author:** ![Ferret\_Herder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e47774/32.png) [@Ferret\_Herder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ferret_Herder)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2011, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/koch-brothers-at-it-again-but-wth/588646/6 "2011-08-02T16:56:27Z")
> [@BDBoop](#): > > Funny how this got moved to “Mundane, Pointless” - why? :dubious: It wasn’t moved here, it **started** here. Having joined the board a year ago, I’m surprised that you haven’t seen the sheer number of political, disaster, death in one’s family, etc., threads that start in this particular forum. ---
**Author:** ![BDBoop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/5e9695/32.png) [@BDBoop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BDBoop)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2011, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/koch-brothers-at-it-again-but-wth/588646/7 "2011-08-02T17:00:52Z")
> [@Ferret\_Herder](#): > > :dubious: It wasn’t moved here, it **started** here. Having joined the board a year ago, I’m surprised that you haven’t seen the sheer number of political, disaster, death in one’s family, etc., threads that start in this particular forum. I forgot I joined, and started posting a couple of weeks ago. ---
**Author:** ![Omar\_Little](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omar_little/32/269_2.png) [@Omar\_Little](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omar_Little)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2011, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/koch-brothers-at-it-again-but-wth/588646/8 "2011-08-02T17:01:32Z")
Do wealthy individuals not have the same rights as everybody else in this country? Why should the wealthy be procluded from being involved in the political process? Unions give way more money to political causes than the Kochs. Geoge Soros uses his financial influence (as much or more than the Kochs) for left wing agenda issues, why is his involvement okay, but the Koch’s bad? ETA: and as evident by the OP, the Kochs give to candidates and reps on both sides of the aisle, not just conservatives. ---
**Author:** ![Zebra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/c0e974/32.png) [@Zebra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zebra)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2011, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/koch-brothers-at-it-again-but-wth/588646/9 "2011-08-02T17:05:39Z")
All the big companies pay both sides. ---
**Author:** ![BDBoop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/5e9695/32.png) [@BDBoop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BDBoop)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2011, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/koch-brothers-at-it-again-but-wth/588646/10 "2011-08-02T17:09:51Z")
Has anybody read anything? Because if not, I can’t see continuing this conversation. Here’s a text transcript of “David Koch” with Governor Walker. [http://www.buffalobeast.com/?p=5045](http://www.buffalobeast.com/?p=5045) > [@](#): > > Koch: Beautiful; beautiful. Gotta crush that union. > > Walker: [bragging about how he doesn’t budge]…I would be willing to sit down and talk to him, the assembly Democrat leader, plus the other two Republican leaders—talk, not negotiate and listen to what they have to say if they will in turn—but I’ll only do it if all 14 of them will come back and sit down in the state assembly…legally, we believe, once they’ve gone into session, they don’t physically have to be there. If they’re actually in session for that day, and they take a recess, the 19 Senate Republicans could then go into action and they’d have quorum…so we’re double checking that. If you heard I was going to talk to them that’s the only reason why. We’d only do it if they came back to the capital with all 14 of them… > > Koch: Bring a baseball bat. That’s what I’d do. > > Walker: I have one in my office; you’d be happy with that. I have a slugger with my name on it. ---
**Author:** ![Omar\_Little](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omar_little/32/269_2.png) [@Omar\_Little](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omar_Little)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2011, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/koch-brothers-at-it-again-but-wth/588646/11 "2011-08-02T17:15:55Z")
> [@BDBoop](#): > > Has anybody read anything? Because if not, I can’t see continuing this conversation. > > Here’s a text transcript of “David Koch” with Governor Walker. > > [Buffalo Slot Machine: Play Free Buffalo Slots Online in 2025!](http://www.buffalobeast.com/?p=5045) BDBoop, you do realize that the conversation you quoted was not with David Koch, but with the editor of the BuffaloBeast pretending to be David Koch, don’t you? Your credibility as a poster is taking some serious hits. ---
**Author:** ![BDBoop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/5e9695/32.png) [@BDBoop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BDBoop)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2011, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/koch-brothers-at-it-again-but-wth/588646/12 "2011-08-02T17:45:09Z")
Dude? You don’t get that “David Koch” in quotes means that wasn’t David Koch? But Walker didn’t know that. ---
**Author:** ![Omar\_Little](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omar_little/32/269_2.png) [@Omar\_Little](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omar_Little)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2011, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/koch-brothers-at-it-again-but-wth/588646/13 "2011-08-02T17:51:06Z")
> [@BDBoop](#): > > Dude? You don’t get that “David Koch” in quotes means that wasn’t David Koch? > > But Walker didn’t know that. That says more about Walker than it does about the Koch Brothers. David Koch has never even met Walker before. Politicians are whores. I see you didn’t even care to address my questions. ---
**Author:** ![BDBoop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/5e9695/32.png) [@BDBoop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BDBoop)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2011, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/koch-brothers-at-it-again-but-wth/588646/14 "2011-08-02T18:01:25Z")
You’re not admitting that you accused me of believing he was on the phone with David Koch, and attacked my credibility? So why should I answer your questions. ---
**Author:** ![Omar\_Little](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omar_little/32/269_2.png) [@Omar\_Little](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omar_Little)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2011, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/koch-brothers-at-it-again-but-wth/588646/15 "2011-08-02T18:12:04Z")
> [@BDBoop](#): > > You’re not admitting that you accused me of believing he was on the phone with David Koch, and attacked my credibility? So why should I answer your questions. 😕 What’s to admit? Of course I asked if you were aware that Walker never actually spoke to David Koch, which is whom the thread is about. It wasn’t unreasonable for me to make that assumption based upon your posts. Please don’t answer my questions. It’s clear that holding a rational conversation with you is not likely. ---
**Author:** ![BDBoop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/5e9695/32.png) [@BDBoop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BDBoop)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2011, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/koch-brothers-at-it-again-but-wth/588646/16 "2011-08-02T18:16:43Z")
Okay. Buh-bye.