# Koch Brothers have finally been Godwinned **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [January 12, 2016, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/koch-brothers-have-finally-been-godwinned/742943 "2016-01-12T17:17:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 9\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Omar\_Little](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omar_little/32/269_2.png) [@Omar\_Little](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omar_Little)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2016, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/koch-brothers-have-finally-been-godwinned/742943/1 "2016-01-12T17:17:57Z")
[http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/12/us/politics/father-of-koch-brothers-helped-build-nazi-oil-refinery-book-says.html](http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/12/us/politics/father-of-koch-brothers-helped-build-nazi-oil-refinery-book-says.html) [http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/report-koch-brothers-father-helped-nazis-build-oil-refinery](http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/report-koch-brothers-father-helped-nazis-build-oil-refinery) > [@](#): > > “Dark Money” suggests that the experience of being toilet trained by a Nazi may have contributed to Charles Koch’s antipathy toward government today. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2016, 2:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/koch-brothers-have-finally-been-godwinned/742943/2 "2016-01-13T02:52:24Z")
“Worked on a project for Nazi Germany” probably isn’t what you want to highlight on your resume, but honestly, if you look at the number of US companies that did business with Germany under the Nazis, it’s not really a short list. Even today, companies do business with unsavory governments, and that doesn’t mean that they’re necessarily sympathetic to them. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2016, 3:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/koch-brothers-have-finally-been-godwinned/742943/3 "2016-01-13T03:15:45Z")
1. Everybody who could was doing business with Germany. The country was littered with Nazis. Go ahead and smear the Kocks if you want, but I’m not impressed. ---
**Author:** ![MacCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/maccat/32/216_2.png) [@MacCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MacCat)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2016, 3:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/koch-brothers-have-finally-been-godwinned/742943/4 "2016-01-13T03:50:52Z")
They’re in good company. From an interesting [Salon](http://www.salon.com/2016/01/12/koch_brothers_father_did_business_with_the_nazis_book_claims_just_like_prescott_bush_henry_ford_some_u_s_corporations/) article today… > [@](#): > > Leading British newspaper The Guardian exposed in 2004 how Prescott Bush, grandfather of President George W. Bush and father of President George H. W. Bush, “helped Hitler’s rise to power.” > > Former Senator Prescott Bush was a director and shareholder of corporations that made fortunes working “with the financial architects of Nazism.” > > The assets of Bush’s company were seized by the U.S. government in 1942, under the Trading with the Enemy Act. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2016, 11:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/koch-brothers-have-finally-been-godwinned/742943/5 "2016-01-13T11:45:15Z")
Prescott Bush was a partner in the bank Brown Brothers-Harriman (as were Averell Harriman, who was ambassador to the Soviet Union, and then Truman’s Secretary of Commerce and Governor of New York, and Robert Lovett, Truman’s Secretary of Defense). One of its clients was Fritz Thyssen, the German steel magnate, who had been an early supporter of Nazism and a Nazi member of the Reichstag and the Prussian Council of State, but who had fallen out with the Nazis because of his opposition to Krystalnacht. (Thyssen had supported the Nazis because he was violently anti-Communist, but he was opposed to antisemitism.) After he had sent a telegram to Hermann Goering condemning the German invasion of Poland, he had to flee Germany, hoping to go to South America, but he had gotten stuck in France and Belgium when the Germans invaded, and wound up put in a concentration camp. Anyway, in 1924, Harriman and Co set up a bank for Thyssen, called the Union Banking Company, largely as a way for Thyssen to get his money out of Germany. Bush was one of the Harriman officers who was listed as one of the bank’s directors, and was given a single share in the company in order to qualify as a director. In 1942, the government took control of UBC under the Trading with the Enemy Act because its majority owners (Thyssen and his brother) were German nationals. ---
**Author:** ![Diceman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/22d042/32.png) [@Diceman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diceman)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2016, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/koch-brothers-have-finally-been-godwinned/742943/6 "2016-01-13T14:05:11Z")
> [@Captain\_Amazing](#): > > “Worked on a project for Nazi Germany” probably isn’t what you want to highlight on your resume, but honestly, if you look at the number of US companies that did business with Germany under the Nazis, it’s not really a short list. Even today, companies do business with unsavory governments, and that doesn’t mean that they’re necessarily sympathetic to them. Shit, the Volkswagen car company was _founded_ by the Nazis, quite literally. Nobody seems to hold that against them. Why should the Koch Brothers be singled out because of a much lesser connection their father had? ETA: And if we’re going to go down that road, then it’s only fair that we blame Barak Obama for the actions of his Kenyan daddy. So really, these sorts of connections are a can of worms that sensible people leave firrmly closed. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2016, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/koch-brothers-have-finally-been-godwinned/742943/7 "2016-01-13T17:19:56Z")
> [@Diceman](#): > > Why should the Koch Brothers be singled out because of a much lesser connection their father had? Maybe because some have tried to do the same with the Kennedys? ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2016, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/koch-brothers-have-finally-been-godwinned/742943/8 "2016-01-13T20:01:09Z")
Thomas J. Watson, the chairman of IBM was one of four Americans “honored” with the Order of the German Eagle by the Nazis in the late 1930s (others were Charles Lindbergh and James Mooney, General Motors’ exec for overseas operations). But they were distinctly second class compared to Henry Ford, who the Nazis singled out for the _Grand Cross of the German Eagle_. And he [deserved it](http://www.thenation.com/article/ford-and-fuhrer/). ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2016, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/koch-brothers-have-finally-been-godwinned/742943/9 "2016-01-13T20:47:16Z")
> [@Diceman](#): > > Shit, the Volkswagen car company was _founded_ by the Nazis, quite literally. Not exactly. _A_ Volkswagen car company (Volkswagenwerk GmbH) was founded by the Nazis, the factory was built by the Nazi government, of course, development of the Beetle (then Kdf-Wagen) was funded by the Nazi government, and the company was then wholly state-owned. However, that company ceased to exist (along with the Nazi government). The modern-day company was founded when the factory was [seized by British occupation forces](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan_Hirst) as war reparations. They started production again in order to employ some locals and provide cheap transportation for the Allied occupation forces, and came under the control of the state government after the occupation ended.