# Korematsu Doodle -- Bravo, Google! **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [January 30, 2017, 12:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/korematsu-doodle-bravo-google/778580 "2017-01-30T12:03:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Sailboat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sailboat/32/461_2.png) [@Sailboat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sailboat)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2017, 12:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/korematsu-doodle-bravo-google/778580/1 "2017-01-30T12:03:00Z")
\*\*Google doodle is perfect today…especially if you read Wikipedia on the court case (Korematsu v US)…universally reviled as bad law (“odious” according to one constitutional scholar) and compared to Dred Scott decision as a “stain on American jurisprudence.” Universally except for the, uh current administration, which has tried to cite Korematsu v US to justify the Muslim ban. So a surprisingly topical Google doodle indeed – bravo, Google! ---
**Author:** ![jtur88](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e9c0ed/32.png) [@jtur88](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jtur88)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2017, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/korematsu-doodle-bravo-google/778580/2 "2017-01-30T14:42:56Z")
Helpful link: > **[Korematsu v. United States](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korematsu_v._United_States)** > > Korematsu v. United States, 323 U.S. 214 (1944), was a landmark decision by the Supreme Court of the United States to uphold the exclusion of Japanese Americans from the West Coast Military Area during World War II. The decision has been widely criticized, with some scholars describing it as "an odious and discredited artifact of popular bigotry", and as "a stain on American jurisprudence". The case is often cited as one of the worst Supreme Court decisions of all time. Chief Ju In the aftermat... ---
**Author:** ![usedtobe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ec9cab/32.png) [@usedtobe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/usedtobe)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2017, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/korematsu-doodle-bravo-google/778580/3 "2017-01-31T02:35:33Z")
How long until the Cheeto cite’s Lincoln’s suspension of habeas corpus during the Civil War as justification for grabbing anyone who speaks Arabic, Persian, Urdu…? ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Tildrum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e95f7d/32.png) [@Tom\_Tildrum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Tildrum)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2017, 3:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/korematsu-doodle-bravo-google/778580/4 "2017-01-31T03:21:43Z")
An interesting reminder that a President can order an ethnic minority population interned in camps and still be remembered as a heroic figure decades later. ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2017, 11:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/korematsu-doodle-bravo-google/778580/5 "2017-01-31T11:29:17Z")
How many Americans of Japanese origin were, in fact, loyal to Imperial Japan? Wikipedia lists three. **Three**. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Bredin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/96bed5/32.png) [@John\_Bredin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Bredin)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2017, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/korematsu-doodle-bravo-google/778580/6 "2017-01-31T16:01:50Z")
> [@Tom\_Tildrum](#): > > An interesting reminder that a President can order an ethnic minority population interned in camps and still be remembered as a heroic figure decades later. FDR had a looooong record of achievements to place in the other side of the proverbial scales before **his** infamous Executive Order. DT…hasn’t. :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![thelurkinghorror](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7c8e57/32.png) [@thelurkinghorror](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thelurkinghorror)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2017, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/korematsu-doodle-bravo-google/778580/7 "2017-01-31T20:37:40Z")
I thought it was a little on the nose. I’m sure they wanted to honor his 97th birthday, and important milestone. :dubious: > [@Quartz](#): > > How many Americans of Japanese origin were, in fact, loyal to Imperial Japan? Wikipedia lists three. **Three**. Which link? There were the sorta-traitors, like Tokyo Rose et al., who claimed that they had no choice being trapped in Japan. The only ones I know who couldn’t really claim duress were the [Haradas](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niihau_incident). The best part was that this was Hawaii - which was exempt from internment. So if that’s who you meant, then there were no treasonous activities in the area affected. There’s also Kanao Inouye, a Canadian (they interned people too). ---
**Author:** ![Baker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bb73d2/32.png) [@Baker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baker)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2017, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/korematsu-doodle-bravo-google/778580/8 "2017-01-31T20:53:49Z")
I hadn’t realized until just a few years ago that Canada did the same thing with it’s people of Japanese descent. Even kept them locled up for a while after the war was over. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Devil\_s\_Grandmother](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/74df32/32.png) [@The\_Devil\_s\_Grandmother](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Devil_s_Grandmother)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2017, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/korematsu-doodle-bravo-google/778580/9 "2017-01-31T21:18:14Z")
> [@Tom\_Tildrum](#): > > An interesting reminder that a President can order an ethnic minority population interned in camps and still be remembered as a heroic figure decades later. Prior to George Takei’s stage play and tweets about his family’s internment, I had been surprised on several occasions by adult Americans who had \*no idea \*the Japanese Interment ever happened. It certainly wasn’t even touched on in high-school history classes back in the 1980s. ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2017, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/korematsu-doodle-bravo-google/778580/10 "2017-01-31T21:44:41Z")
How many states did the internments? I remember reading at least one governor refused. ---
**Author:** ![thelurkinghorror](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7c8e57/32.png) [@thelurkinghorror](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thelurkinghorror)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2017, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/korematsu-doodle-bravo-google/778580/11 "2017-01-31T22:23:32Z")
> [@Baker](#): > > I hadn’t realized until just a few years ago that Canada did the same thing with it’s people of Japanese descent. Even kept them locled up for a while after the war was over. And some people of German and Italian nationality, if not descent. I’m sure racism played some role, but German-American is also the largest nationality in the US, so much like Hawaii the logistics are impossible. > [@PastTense](#): > > How many states did the internments? I remember reading at least one governor refused. It was mostly California, Oregon, Washington. Most of the other states didn’t have a large enough population to bother. Hawaii didn’t intern people unless IIRC they had definite links to Japan. It wasn’t a state yet though, and it wasn’t the governor of the territory but the [military administrator](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delos_Carleton_Emmons) who argued that it would be very bad for the economy to intern a large portion of the population. And of course the actual camps were nowhere near where the people originally lived but mostly in [バム フック, エジプト](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment_of_Japanese_Americans#/media/File:Map_of_World_War_II_Japanese_American_internment_camps.png). ETA: it says 1200-1800 people of Japanese descent living in Hawaii were interned, of about 150,000 total (~1%). ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2017, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/korematsu-doodle-bravo-google/778580/12 "2017-01-31T22:28:16Z")
Translation of that last, please? ---
**Author:** ![thelurkinghorror](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7c8e57/32.png) [@thelurkinghorror](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thelurkinghorror)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2017, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/korematsu-doodle-bravo-google/778580/13 "2017-01-31T22:33:44Z")
Bumfuck, Egypt ツ ---
**Author:** ![Baker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bb73d2/32.png) [@Baker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baker)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2017, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/korematsu-doodle-bravo-google/778580/14 "2017-02-01T00:06:06Z")
Years ago I saw a news item about the opening of a Buddhist temple somewhere on the west coast, I think Oregon or Washington state. The temple was named for an American woman who, during the internments, helped manage or hold onto the property ofa number of her neighbors of Japanese descent, then returned their stuff after the was. A lot of internees lost everything because they had to hurriedly sell homes and businesses for pennies on the dollar. I’ve tried to Google search for this story, but my search is either flawed, or I’m remembering something incorrectly. If anyone here ever heard of this story, I’d love to read about it again. ---
**Author:** ![Ken001](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/43a26b/32.png) [@Ken001](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ken001)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2017, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/korematsu-doodle-bravo-google/778580/15 "2017-02-01T00:43:19Z")
New Zealand interned German, Italian, and Japanese civilian men in both World Wars. Their wives and children remained free and were able to visit weekly. Not every foreign person was interned so only about 500 people were actually held. Australia did exactly the same. ---
**Author:** ![rowrrbazzle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rowrrbazzle/32/414_2.png) [@rowrrbazzle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rowrrbazzle)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2017, 3:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/korematsu-doodle-bravo-google/778580/16 "2017-02-01T03:50:41Z")
> [@Tom\_Tildrum](#): > > An interesting reminder that a President can order an ethnic minority population interned in camps and still be remembered as a heroic figure decades later. And hope nobody remembers he was a Democrat. > [@John\_Bredin](#): > > FDR had a looooong record of achievements to place in the other side of the proverbial scales before **his** infamous Executive Order. DT…hasn’t. :dubious: FDR interned the Japanese, and DT has interned the Muslims. Oh, wait…