# Kraft--\*The\* American Cheese" **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 17, 2009, 7:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kraft-the-american-cheese/521621 "2009-12-17T07:45:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Ferret\_Herder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e47774/32.png) [@Ferret\_Herder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ferret_Herder)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2009, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kraft-the-american-cheese/521621/61 "2009-12-17T18:07:47Z")
> [@Anduinel](#): > > I need to find one of these for a certain in-law. **Ferret Herder** , you may have just saved Christmas. 😉 Hooray! 😃 If you have access to Amazon (don’t know your location), just search on “cookie press” and find a model you like; I bet they could ship before Christmas. Else you’d probably find one in many stores that sell baking supplies. It’ll probably be in a box with multiple extruder plates. ---
**Author:** ![statsman1982](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e79b87/32.png) [@statsman1982](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/statsman1982)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2009, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kraft-the-american-cheese/521621/62 "2009-12-17T18:08:42Z")
> [@tacoloco](#): > > Oh, STFU. > > I happen to think, that despite our failings, the U.S. is the greatest country on earth. As much as I admire a lot of other countries, I wouldn’t want to live anywhere else. > > Cheese as a symbol of xenophobia is pretty fucking stupid and and surely one of the stupidest things I’ve read on the dope. > > It’s just a commercial, not social commentary. Stop looking under rocks. Do you recall the thread about pan-fried semen? Yeah, there are way more trivial threads than this one. I love the U. S. too, much as I’m sure the Germans love Germany, and the French love France. We are a superpower, to be sure, but we’re in debt up to our eyeballs to China, and other nations are surpassing in science and technology, which is a pretty concerning thing. Have you even seen the commercial I’m talking about? It is the very \*\*essence \*\*of social commentary. It’s commenting on the greatness of American cheese, and comparing its development to the fucking space program. By the way, are you seriously saying that cheese is not a cultural product? Maybe you live in a much more enlightened part of the country, but there are a fair number of people who view other nations’ food products–cheeses, wines, beers, etc.–with disdain for the sole reason that they are not from the good ol’ USA. I just wish that American “cheese” (slices, to be specific) were not held up as some triumph of ingenuity, against the real craftsmanship that is cheesemaking that other nations have been doing for a long time. ---
**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2009, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kraft-the-american-cheese/521621/63 "2009-12-17T18:09:30Z")
> [@statsman1982](#): > > There are other commercials that do this type of thing: attempting to instill pride in something that is really mediocre. And yes, I do see it as a symbol of how Americans are continuing to delude themselves into thinking that this country \*\*was, is, and always will be \*\*the greatest country on Earth, regardless of how mediocre our accomplishments are. Then I see no reason to take seriously any of your opinions in the future. That’s idiotic. ---
**Author:** ![tacoloco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tacoloco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tacoloco)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2009, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kraft-the-american-cheese/521621/64 "2009-12-17T18:20:06Z")
> [@Lynn\_Bodoni](#): > > My husband buys the prewrapped stuff because I yell at him when he doesn’t make sure that the cheese wrapper is actually closed when he puts the cheese back in the fridge. Heh. I didn’t know you were my wife. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Translucent\_Daydream](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/translucent_daydream/32/16170_2.png) [@Translucent\_Daydream](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Translucent_Daydream)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2009, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kraft-the-american-cheese/521621/65 "2009-12-17T18:24:49Z")
> [@joebuck20](#): > > ivn1188 is the type of person who refuses to drink anything other than Bud Light, because to do so would be elitist, regardless of the fact that Anheuser-Busch is no longer an American company. > Having said that, Kraft does have its virtues. Its Deli-Style slices make killer grilled cheese sandwiches. I second this. I don’t get a hankering for those plastiwrapped slices they sell in yet more plastic, but going to the deli and getting them to slice up some Kraft American in a decent thickness makes good grilled cheese fodder. It has more flavor that way. I could understand the WTFness about just eating it from the plastic wrap. The sliced shit from the deli is good stuff for sandwiches and the like. ---
**Author:** ![Algher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Algher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Algher)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2009, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kraft-the-american-cheese/521621/66 "2009-12-17T18:36:00Z")
Huh - I grew up on Velveeta. When I moved to California, I began to learn of other cheeses. My mother now considers me a snob since I do NOT keep the special tupperware for holding a brick of velveeta in the fridge. That said, Ro-tel and velveeta still sometimes sneak into the house when my wife is not looking. This commercial SOUNDS like it might be a bit tongue in cheek. It makes me think of the Miller (?) ads from a year or so ago where they bragged about spilling more than than the microbreweries make in a year. It was a fun commercial about cheap, mass produced beer. America does some great stuff, we also figured out how to take leftover whey toss some stuff in and make it a cheese product. It lasts, it is easy to use, and it is cheap. ---
**Author:** ![statsman1982](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e79b87/32.png) [@statsman1982](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/statsman1982)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2009, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kraft-the-american-cheese/521621/67 "2009-12-17T18:43:23Z")
> [@Smeghead](#): > > Then I see no reason to take seriously any of your opinions in the future. That’s idiotic. What is? Or are you just padding your post count? Please, educate me. What, specifically, is idiotic about being dismayed about a commercial that wants us to get all weepy about the beauty that is extruded cheese slurry, and thank God for American ingenuity. Look, there are plenty of things to be proud of in this country. ARPANET, Apple, NASA, our justice system (not perfect, but better than any other), our sacrifices in world conflicts, our prestigious universities, etc., etc. And yes, I realize that hyperbole is part of commercial writing. Well, I guess we all have our pet issues. This clearly isn’t yours. But I’m not going to discount all of your opinions in the future based on the fact that you don’t agree with me here. That would be, well, idiotic. ---
**Author:** ![statsman1982](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e79b87/32.png) [@statsman1982](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/statsman1982)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2009, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kraft-the-american-cheese/521621/68 "2009-12-17T18:48:50Z")
> [@Algher](#): > > Huh - I grew up on Velveeta. When I moved to California, I began to learn of other cheeses. My mother now considers me a snob since I do NOT keep the special tupperware for holding a brick of velveeta in the fridge. > > That said, Ro-tel and velveeta still sometimes sneak into the house when my wife is not looking. > > This commercial SOUNDS like it might be a bit tongue in cheek. It makes me think of the Miller (?) ads from a year or so ago where they bragged about spilling more than than the microbreweries make in a year. It was a fun commercial about cheap, mass produced beer. > > America does some great stuff, we also figured out how to take leftover whey toss some stuff in and make it a cheese product. It lasts, it is easy to use, and it is cheap. Yes, America does do some great stuff. On the culinary side, I’d “pit” our barbecue against any other country’s. That’s something to be proud of. I don’t think the ad is tongue-in-cheek. It doesn’t have the same feel it as the Miller commercial. Sadly, I think they are 100% serious. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2009, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kraft-the-american-cheese/521621/69 "2009-12-17T19:00:49Z")
Dude, it’s _cheese_. You have some serious issues. :rolleyes: That being said, REAL American cheese is actually a very mild cheddar. Go to the deli counter, and you can get it individually slice, Land O’ Lakes American cheese. it’s a creamy, mild cheese that tastes great. THAT is not “cheese product.” ---
**Author:** ![shiftless](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e9c0ed/32.png) [@shiftless](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/shiftless)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2009, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kraft-the-american-cheese/521621/70 "2009-12-17T19:19:24Z")
Some of you are saying things like “extruded cheese slurry” like they are bad things. 😛 America became great on “extruded cheese like slurry product” and I’m damned proud to eat it. Remember that the French let their cheeses sit in caves until they grow mold and fungus and then they rarely, if ever, extrude the cheese before offering it to the public. Yet, somehow, the French seem to be proud of their mold covered cheese. I’m going to mildly agree with the OP about the commercial being annoying but judging a whole nation on one commercial is going too far and the special ire for the USof A suggests he has never seen one of the multitude of annoying commercials for annoying products made in other countries. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2009, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kraft-the-american-cheese/521621/71 "2009-12-17T19:20:40Z")
> [@statsman1982](#): > > What, specifically, is idiotic about being dismayed about a commercial that wants us to get all weepy about the beauty that is extruded cheese slurry, and thank God for American ingenuity. It’s idiotic because you blather on and on about how terrible this ad is, and you can’t even provide a link to the commercial. It’s idiotic because your lactose-intolerant apoplexy is directed only at cheese, not the myriad other products that involve flag-waving hysteria over mediocre products. Jesus fucking Christ, are you too young to remember Tang? [Here’s](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rs3Ode5LZb4) a real fucking ad for a real fucking American product, you pussy French farmer, Russian commie mongrel. ---
**Author:** ![Michael\_Ellis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/977dab/32.png) [@Michael\_Ellis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Michael_Ellis)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2009, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kraft-the-american-cheese/521621/72 "2009-12-17T19:24:34Z")
> [@bannerrefugee](#): > > I can’t stand shitty cheese. But worse is American cultural chauvinism. The USA doesn’t have a monopoly on this kind of chauvinism-but it is certainly more tangible in the US than any other place I have been or lived. Go oppress some natives, you gibbering upside-down idiot. ---
**Author:** ![statsman1982](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e79b87/32.png) [@statsman1982](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/statsman1982)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2009, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kraft-the-american-cheese/521621/73 "2009-12-17T19:51:25Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Dude, it’s _cheese_. You have some serious issues. :rolleyes: Well, if you had actually read my posts, you would have seen that the stuff that I’m talking about is most certainly _not_ cheese. It’s the cheese slices. ---
**Author:** ![ivn1188](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e480ec/32.png) [@ivn1188](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivn1188)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2009, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kraft-the-american-cheese/521621/74 "2009-12-17T19:55:05Z")
Oh, just for the record, I don’t refuse to drink anything other than Bud Light, nor do I look down at those people with their fancy Emmentalers, which is pretty much the best sandwich additive in the universe. I love cheeses, and I use the appropriate cheese for the dish, from expensive Stiltons to Velveeta (which isn’t actually that cheap). Same with alcohol. I own and enjoy several high end expensive beverages. But I also drink rail booze at the bar. There’s no reverse snobbery at play for me. If **Statsman** is not engaging in the sort of snobbery that I was talking about (foreign or expensive = good, cheap or domestic = bad), then good for him. His Kraft commercial = American imperialism thing might be a bit off the rails, but whatever. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2009, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kraft-the-american-cheese/521621/75 "2009-12-17T20:05:16Z")
When you peel the plastic wrapper off the Kraft’s slice, just be sure you throw away the right one. Which one that is depends on your taste. ---
**Author:** ![WarmNPrickly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/d78d45/32.png) [@WarmNPrickly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WarmNPrickly)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2009, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kraft-the-american-cheese/521621/76 "2009-12-17T20:23:34Z")
> [@statsman1982](#): > > Well, if you had actually read my posts, you would have seen that the stuff that I’m talking about is most certainly _not_ cheese. It’s the cheese slices. You may be talking about the cheese singles in the plastic wrap, but that is not clear from your OP. In my experience American Cheese is processed cheese. It is a blended mixture of cheese and I’m not talking about the pre-wrapped slices. Kraft Deli Deluxe is a processed cheese, but it is quite tasty for me. That pre-wrapped single slice garbage is awful. Maybe there are other brands that sell non-processed American cheese. I would like to find those, because I do wish to find good American Cheese. I love American Cheese. I do not particularly care for cheddar except for special things. ---
**Author:** ![Ogre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ecb155/32.png) [@Ogre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ogre)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2009, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kraft-the-american-cheese/521621/77 "2009-12-17T20:26:08Z")
Jesus Christ, you buncha goddamn loons. Does every country politicize their food, or is it just us Americans? Seriously? Linking Kraft singles to hyper-reactionary Republican ideals? WTF? I realize that it’s partly the advertiser’s fault (and I admit to a hearty eye-roll at the new Miracle Whip ads that try to sell MW as some edgy rock-n-roll alternative to mayo), but shit. It’s cheese. It’s good on burgers. If you don’t like it, spend your money on something else. Fuck. ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Joe\_Meager](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/bb73d2/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Joe\_Meager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Joe_Meager)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2009, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kraft-the-american-cheese/521621/78 "2009-12-17T20:33:21Z")
Kraft singles melted over Spam on Wonder bread. That’s what made this country great. ---
**Author:** ![Rumor\_Watkins](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/d9b06d/32.png) [@Rumor\_Watkins](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rumor_Watkins)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2009, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kraft-the-american-cheese/521621/79 "2009-12-17T20:38:14Z")
> [@SanVito](#): > > I’m not sure Kraft is allowed to call it ‘cheese’ in the EU. I think it has to be labeled a “pasteurized prepared cheese product”. I don’t think it’s called cheese here, either ---
**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2009, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kraft-the-american-cheese/521621/80 "2009-12-17T20:41:15Z")
> [@statsman1982](#): > > Please, educate me. What, specifically, is idiotic about being dismayed about a commercial that wants us to get all weepy about the beauty that is extruded cheese slurry, and thank God for American ingenuity. It’s an ad. For cheap cheese. Some advertising monkey read in his Dictionary of Ad Cliches that Americans like to buy products associated with America. So he made a mildly flag-waving ad for his shitty product. It’s not an expression of some fundamental new philosophy that is spreading through the country and destroying all that you hold dear. It’s a stupid ad made by some idiot who probably spent less time creating it than you or I have spent arguing about it. Getting your panties in a twist about it is what’s idiotic. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kraft-the-american-cheese/521621.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kraft-the-american-cheese/521621.md?page=5)