# Kristi Noem hates America **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 21, 2021, 1:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kristi-noem-hates-america/946970 "2021-07-21T13:11:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2021, 1:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kristi-noem-hates-america/946970/1 "2021-07-21T13:11:10Z")
Not much more to say, except that she did what so many conservatives do: she said the quiet part out loud. > **[Superpatriot Kristi Noem ‘Really Hates This America’](https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/07/super-patriot-kristi-noem-really-hates-this-america.html)** > > The South Dakota governor craves the peace and unity of a one-party state. ---
**Author:** ![needscoffee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/needscoffee/32/1076_2.png) [@needscoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/needscoffee)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2021, 1:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kristi-noem-hates-america/946970/2 "2021-07-21T13:22:13Z")
From your article: > [@](#): > > Here’s an excerpt from Noem’s speech, following a reference to her recently born granddaughter: > > > [@](#): > > > > I hate this America we are giving her. I don’t recognize the country I had the opportunity of growing up in. When I grew up people were proud to have a job. They weren’t confused on the difference between boys and girls. We prayed in schools … and by the way in South Dakota I’m putting prayer back in our schools … We stood for the national anthem, we honored our flag, and we were proud of our history. That is not Joe Biden’s America. His America is built on hate and division, on pitting people against each other. I can’t even. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2021, 1:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kristi-noem-hates-america/946970/3 "2021-07-21T13:24:06Z")
> [@needscoffee](#): > > and by the way in South Dakota I’m putting prayer back in our schools So she hates the Constitution too. > [@needscoffee](#): > > we were proud of our history Except for the bits that were carefully ignored. ---
**Author:** ![Akaj](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/akaj/32/145_2.png) [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2021, 1:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kristi-noem-hates-america/946970/4 "2021-07-21T13:53:52Z")
Her speech is actually a pretty good summary of the simplistic, narrow-minded ideals that so many Americans hold. And they’re really hard to argue against – not because they’re correct, but because they’re simple, and the arguments against them are complex. But it’s beyond repulsive that someone representing the party of Fox News accuses Biden of promoting “hate and division.” ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2021, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kristi-noem-hates-america/946970/5 "2021-07-21T14:02:00Z")
> [@Akaj](#): > > But it’s beyond repulsive that someone representing the party of Fox News accuses Biden of promoting “hate and division.” It’s the same way in which Obama created racial divisions in America by persisting in being black and President at the same time, which caused half of America to go into race-based paroxysms, and to top it all off Obama kept suggesting that the problem was with _them_! The nerve of that guy! If only the Democrats would stop pointing out all the things the Republican Party are doing that are immoral, illegal or outright treasonous, we’d all be getting along just fine. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2021, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kristi-noem-hates-america/946970/6 "2021-07-21T14:55:32Z")
> [@needscoffee](#): > > Noem: “…by the way in South Dakota I’m putting prayer back in our schools” …and lawyers in the courtrooms, at taxpayer expense. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2021, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kristi-noem-hates-america/946970/7 "2021-07-21T14:59:19Z")
To be fair, there’s a huge difference between “I hate America” (thread title) and “I hate _this version of_ America.” But Noem and many conservatives are doing performative patriotism and religion as usual. They don’t, and never, grasp that there’s a vast gap between imposing outside _external_ performance acts on someone (prayer, pledge of allegiance, etc) and that person actually being devout or patriotic _within_. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_McQwark](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/4da419/32.png) [@Steve\_McQwark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_McQwark)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2021, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kristi-noem-hates-america/946970/8 "2021-07-21T15:13:39Z")
I admit my biblical knowledge is a bit rusty, but I’m pretty sure there’s a bit in there where Jesus stresses how important it is to be seen preaching on the street corners so everyone sees you. I believe the Prosperity Bible translates that passage as something like “The squeaky wheel gets the grift.” ---
**Author:** ![Roderick\_Femm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/roderick_femm/32/14875_2.png) [@Roderick\_Femm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Roderick_Femm)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2021, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kristi-noem-hates-america/946970/9 "2021-07-21T15:15:55Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Except for the bits that were carefully ignored. Oh, no, they’re proud of those two, although pre-Trump they tended not to say so quite so often. > [@Akaj](#): > > But it’s beyond repulsive that someone representing the party of Fox News accuses Biden of promoting “hate and division.” When you’re a conservative/Republican, “hate and division” means “you disagree with me and won’t let me do everything I want to do” and “you call me out on my hate, which makes you hateful.” ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2021, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kristi-noem-hates-america/946970/10 "2021-07-21T15:16:26Z")
It’s not even that. It’s more that people like Noem believe that, metaphorically, _forcibly grabbing a dog’s tail and wagging it with your hand is the same as that dog voluntarily wagging it out of happiness._ That’s the basis in most cases that people are forced to perform religious/patriotic performance against their will, such as forced prayer or allegiance-pledging. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2021, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kristi-noem-hates-america/946970/11 "2021-07-21T15:18:10Z")
> [@Akaj](#): > > But it’s beyond repulsive that someone representing the party of Fox News accuses Biden of promoting “hate and division.” In a hateful and divisive speech, no less. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2021, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kristi-noem-hates-america/946970/12 "2021-07-21T15:35:46Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > To be fair, there’s a huge difference between “I hate America” (thread title) and “I hate _this version of_ America.” Yes, but “This version” of America is the one we have, and it’s the one we’ve had for most of my life at this point. So, yeah, she hates America as it actually is, like it or not. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2021, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kristi-noem-hates-america/946970/13 "2021-07-21T15:37:01Z")
I didn’t think it was possible for there to be a South Dakota governor worse than Bill Janklow, but Noem is trying hard. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2021, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kristi-noem-hates-america/946970/14 "2021-07-21T16:37:29Z")
It’s kinda buried in the OP’s article but she’s trying to gather Trump supporters for a run at the White House. > **[South Dakota's Noem taking swings at potential 2024 rivals](https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-government-and-politics-health-michael-pence-south-dakota-8f89d45581d32c5c2f2fc23fc2f439e8)** > > DES MOINES, Iowa (AP) — Long before the first presidential nomination contest of 2024, most potential Republican candidates are just getting a sense of the political landscape, tiptoeing through early-voting states and trying to make friends in key... ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2021, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kristi-noem-hates-america/946970/15 "2021-07-21T16:43:34Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > To be fair, there’s a huge difference between “I hate America” (thread title) and “I hate _this version of_ America.” And yet we hear from conservatives all the time that criticism of America isn’t patriotic. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2021, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kristi-noem-hates-america/946970/16 "2021-07-21T16:45:28Z")
I thought the article in the OP just had a bad picture but nope, she really does have the “Michele Bachmann crazy eyes” thing going. But if she wants to start a bun fight with DeSantis, then please proceed, Governor. > [@](#): > > South Dakota had the worst mortality rate in the Midwest. But that hasn’t stopped Noem from bragging about it. > > “When I ran for governor I ran on it being an example to the nation,” she told the crowd Friday. To be fair, she didn’t say what she’d be an example _of_. ---
**Author:** ![carrps](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carrps/32/2957_2.png) [@carrps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carrps)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2021, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kristi-noem-hates-america/946970/17 "2021-07-21T18:23:50Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > But if she wants to start a bun fight with DeSantis, then please proceed, Governor. Is a bun fight a fight with bread rolls? ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2021, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kristi-noem-hates-america/946970/18 "2021-07-21T18:44:43Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > It’s the same way in which Obama created racial divisions in America by persisting in being black and President at the same time… Without having the common decency to apologize for either one! Plus he kept insisting on being smart, articulate, classy, well-dressed, and good-looking, not to mention thin and athletic. A great father, in love with his wife, no scandal in his past-- except for that fake birth certificate. You know he only did this stuff to stick it to the fat, dumb white people. Pure evil. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Winston\_OBoogie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr.winston_oboogie/32/2945_2.png) [@Dr.Winston\_OBoogie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Winston_OBoogie)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2021, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kristi-noem-hates-america/946970/19 "2021-07-21T19:17:39Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > To be fair, she didn’t say what she’d be an example _of_ . Bad examples are still examples. ---
**Author:** ![carrps](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carrps/32/2957_2.png) [@carrps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carrps)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2021, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kristi-noem-hates-america/946970/20 "2021-07-21T19:26:05Z")
I had a friend who’s favorite expression was: No one is completely useless; you can always serve as a bad example. I always added my corollary: Or a source of amusement. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kristi-noem-hates-america/946970.md?page=2)