# Kudos for Rand Rover-Out and Proud! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 9, 2012, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kudos-for-rand-rover-out-and-proud/621423 "2012-05-09T20:39:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2012, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kudos-for-rand-rover-out-and-proud/621423/81 "2012-05-10T23:26:03Z")
Dunno. Ever been to a Mensa meeting? Read the personal ads in _The Chronicle of Higher Education?_ ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2012, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kudos-for-rand-rover-out-and-proud/621423/82 "2012-05-10T23:33:33Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Who here really thinks that the silly shit he posts can be the product of an educated adult intellect? I have no doubt that it can be. Education and wisdom have as much to do with one another as tuna fish and ice cream, to plagiarize a genius I went to high school with. ---
**Author:** ![saoirse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/5daacb/32.png) [@saoirse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/saoirse)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2012, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kudos-for-rand-rover-out-and-proud/621423/83 "2012-05-11T01:36:10Z")
> [@samclem](#): > > I’m embarrassed for a close friend if they step on their dick. I think you could go ahead and use the masculine pronoun here. ---
**Author:** ![Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/try2b_comprehensive/32/65_2.png) [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Try2B_Comprehensive)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2012, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kudos-for-rand-rover-out-and-proud/621423/84 "2012-05-11T03:20:06Z")
It depends on the definition of ‘gay’. ---
**Author:** ![user\_hostile](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/user_hostile/32/474_2.png) [@user\_hostile](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/user_hostile)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2012, 3:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kudos-for-rand-rover-out-and-proud/621423/85 "2012-05-11T03:39:28Z")
For today, Rand Rover, you are a _man_! !מזל טוב ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Plastic\_Ninja](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f07891/32.png) [@Little\_Plastic\_Ninja](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Plastic_Ninja)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2012, 3:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kudos-for-rand-rover-out-and-proud/621423/86 "2012-05-11T03:51:41Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > I have no doubt that it can be. Education and wisdom have as much to do with one another as tuna fish and ice cream, to plagiarize a genius I went to high school with. They are different stats in D&D for a reason, you know. what? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2012, 6:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kudos-for-rand-rover-out-and-proud/621423/87 "2012-05-11T06:28:33Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > …as tuna fish and ice cream… I want to thank you for a unique experience, I don’t think I’ve ever had the physical sensation of nausea in my frontal lobes before. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2012, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kudos-for-rand-rover-out-and-proud/621423/88 "2012-05-12T00:42:17Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > If it’s such a shitty argument, then seems like it would be really easy for you to argue against it. Why haven’t you? I did. It’s easy. And I didn’t even know you claimed to have kids and a wife. (Nice cheating on them with MOL, BTW. :rolleyes:). ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2012, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kudos-for-rand-rover-out-and-proud/621423/89 "2012-05-12T00:51:15Z")
> [@mister\_nyx](#): > > Thanks for explaining why it’s totally cool to call a dude “gay” as an insult. > > I bet no one here was familiar with this line of thinking before. Calling someone gay as an insult requires thinking that being gay is a bad thing. It can mean that gay means homosexual or that it means “lame.” But, either way, you have to think it is a bad thing. I’ve yet to see anyone in this thread who thinks it is a bad thing. You’re the one who has to think it is a bad thing for it to be about what you claim it is. The rest of us know it’s about a stupid thing the guy said, specifically because we know that no one here is a homophobe, and that using “gay” to mean “lame” is something they all hate. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2012, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kudos-for-rand-rover-out-and-proud/621423/90 "2012-05-12T00:56:19Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > I for one am willing to take **Randy** ’s word for it. > > His schooling on EP law does provide more evidence for my belief that he’s actually a bright but maladjusted teen who’s picked up some tidbits from a tax-lawyer father over the dinner table, and is intent on trying to come off as one himself in hopes of getting recognition and support from some usernames on some message board. Who here really thinks that the silly shit he posts can be the product of an educated adult intellect? I always just assumed that was why he became a tax lawyer. When’s the last time he argued anything tax related here? He really wants to be a different type of lawyer. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2012, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kudos-for-rand-rover-out-and-proud/621423/91 "2012-05-12T01:20:26Z")
One that’s not going straight to Hell? ---
**Author:** ![Blake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a9a28c/32.png) [@Blake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blake)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2012, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kudos-for-rand-rover-out-and-proud/621423/92 "2012-05-12T01:26:40Z")
I have had my share of run ins with RR, but you guys in this thread are making him look good. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2012, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kudos-for-rand-rover-out-and-proud/621423/93 "2012-05-12T01:34:50Z")
Somebody’s got to. He sure can’t. ---
**Author:** ![kayT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayt/32/3633_2.png) [@kayT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayT)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2012, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kudos-for-rand-rover-out-and-proud/621423/94 "2012-05-12T02:40:54Z")
> [@Blake](#): > > I have had my share of run ins with RR, but you guys in this thread are making him look good. I have to agree with this one. ---
**Author:** ![panache45](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/panache45/32/64_2.png) [@panache45](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/panache45)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2012, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kudos-for-rand-rover-out-and-proud/621423/95 "2012-05-13T21:25:53Z")
> [@Drunky\_Smurf](#): > > Everyone is a gay lawyer. I am not a lawyer, and I resent the implication. And I _KNEW_ about **Rand Rover** all along. He didn’t have me fooled for a minute. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2012, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kudos-for-rand-rover-out-and-proud/621423/96 "2012-05-13T22:14:51Z")
The first half of the first page of this thread was fucking amazing. Then some dick went and ruined it. I’m going to pretend that didn’t happen. Hey Rand, if you need some help exploring… Well, gimme a ring. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Drunky\_Smurf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drunky_smurf/32/449_2.png) [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2012, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kudos-for-rand-rover-out-and-proud/621423/97 "2012-05-15T20:49:39Z")
> [@panache45](#): > > I am not a lawyer, and I resent the implication. > > And I _KNEW_ about **Rand Rover** all along. He didn’t have me fooled for a minute. You know you could be an artist and a lawyer. One might even say that lawyering is a type of art. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2012, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kudos-for-rand-rover-out-and-proud/621423/98 "2012-05-15T21:11:19Z")
> [@Drunky\_Smurf](#): > > You know you could be an artist and a lawyer. One might even say that lawyering is a type of art. you might even call him “The Jackson Pollock of Lawyers.” 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Mtgman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b5a626/32.png) [@Mtgman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mtgman)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2012, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kudos-for-rand-rover-out-and-proud/621423/99 "2012-05-15T22:19:34Z")
> [@drewtwo99](#): > > Now, the fact that Rand Rover is flippantly declaring that he is gay and that we can’t prove he isn’t to try and show that sexual orientation can’t be used as a basis for constitutional protection is deeply troublesome to me, and it shows great disconnect with how gay people feel and his view of reality. It’s sad and frustrating, and I don’t think it’s anything honestly to laugh about. He didn’t come out. He’s trying to cheapen what it means to be gay by saying that being gay is not an immutable characteristic of a person. I don’t see that he’s saying being gay is not an immutable characteristic. I think he’s saying a person’s **representation of themselves as gay or straight** is not immutable truth. People can lie about being gay, lie about being straight, lie about being bi, etc. If the litmus test for sexuality is “what a person says they are” then it’s a difficult standard to write laws around because laws need to be written around more concrete guidelines. Enjoy, Steven ---
**Author:** ![mister\_nyx](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/df705f/32.png) [@mister\_nyx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mister_nyx)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2012, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kudos-for-rand-rover-out-and-proud/621423/100 "2012-05-16T18:40:48Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > Calling someone gay as an insult requires thinking that being gay is a bad thing. It can mean that gay means homosexual or that it means “lame.” But, either way, you have to think it is a bad thing. > > I’ve yet to see anyone in this thread who thinks it is a bad thing. You’re the one who has to think it is a bad thing for it to be about what you claim it is. > > The rest of us know it’s about a stupid thing the guy said, specifically because we know that no one here is a homophobe, and that using “gay” to mean “lame” is something they all hate. Using it as a dig on someone proves my point. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kudos-for-rand-rover-out-and-proud/621423.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kudos-for-rand-rover-out-and-proud/621423.md?page=6)