# Kudos to Gore, but who gives a fuck about the Nobel Peace Prize?! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 13, 2007, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kudos-to-gore-but-who-gives-a-fuck-about-the-nobel-peace-prize/422550 "2007-10-13T02:30:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Charlie\_Tan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/charlie_tan/32/12582_2.png) [@Charlie\_Tan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Charlie_Tan)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2007, 7:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kudos-to-gore-but-who-gives-a-fuck-about-the-nobel-peace-prize/422550/21 "2007-10-13T07:44:18Z")
[QUOTE=Aeschines] Yeah. [/QUOTE] No. It’s the Danes. And the sauna is a thing for Soumi. And has been stated, the peace prize is awarded by Norwegians. And being a draft dodger in Germany in '44 might not have been as easy as hiking to canada. ---
**Author:** ![Aeschines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aeschines/32/16251_2.png) [@Aeschines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aeschines)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2007, 7:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kudos-to-gore-but-who-gives-a-fuck-about-the-nobel-peace-prize/422550/22 "2007-10-13T07:50:19Z")
[QUOTE=Charlie Tan] No. It’s the Danes. [/quote] Read wikipedia and WEEP, muthafucka! > **[Open sandwich](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_faced_sandwich)** > > An open sandwich, also known as an open-face/open-faced sandwich, bread baser, bread platter or tartine, consists of a single slice of bread or toast with one or more food items on top. It has half the number of slices of bread compared to a typical closed sandwich and has toppings rather than fillings. During the start of the Middle Ages, thin slabs of coarse bread called "trenches" (late 15th century English) or, in its French derivative, "trenchers", were used as plates. At the end of the meal... It says, muthafucka, “It is the common, traditional sandwich type in the Scandinavian countries, where it is typically eaten at lunch, but may also be eaten as part of breakfast and/or supper.” That’s _Scandinavia_, not just Denmark, you dumb fuck! > [@](#): > > And the sauna is a thing for Soumi. > And has been stated, the peace prize is awarded by Norwegians. > And being a draft dodger in Germany in '44 might not have been as easy as hiking to canada. The sad old fuck didn’t have to hide the fact, did he? ---
**Author:** ![Aeschines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aeschines/32/16251_2.png) [@Aeschines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aeschines)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2007, 7:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kudos-to-gore-but-who-gives-a-fuck-about-the-nobel-peace-prize/422550/23 "2007-10-13T07:52:28Z")
[QUOTE=Spiny Norman] Hypocritical cunts can’t produce great literature? Seriously? [/QUOTE] Keep posting and see what happens. :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![OtakuLoki](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ac8455/32.png) [@OtakuLoki](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OtakuLoki)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2007, 10:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kudos-to-gore-but-who-gives-a-fuck-about-the-nobel-peace-prize/422550/24 "2007-10-13T10:39:24Z")
[QUOTE=Kimstu] Or how about 1948 Lit Prize winner T. S. Eliot, a former supporter of totalitarianism and Mussolini’s government? Just another hypocritical cunt, eh? If association with or support for nasty regimes is really that upsetting to you in a Nobel Prize winner, you won’t run out of stuff to froth and fume about for a long time. [/QUOTE] I think you might be confusing portions of [Ezra Pound](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ezra_Pound#Italy)’s biography with that of [T. S. Elliot](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T._S._Elliot). Per Wikipedia, there’s no mention of Elliot being involved with Mussolini, while there is considerable mention of Pound’s involvement with Mussolini’s government. T. S. Elliot did recieve Nobel honors in 1948, though, not Pound. Though it’s worth noting, to my mind, that Pound was honored that same year with the inaugural award of the [Bolligen Prize](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bollingen_Prize). ---
**Author:** ![nowayatall222](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/258eb7/32.png) [@nowayatall222](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nowayatall222)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2007, 11:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kudos-to-gore-but-who-gives-a-fuck-about-the-nobel-peace-prize/422550/25 "2007-10-13T11:53:21Z")
[QUOTE=Aeschines] Read wikipedia and WEEP, muthafucka! > **[Open sandwich](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_faced_sandwich)** > > An open sandwich, also known as an open-face/open-faced sandwich, bread baser, bread platter or tartine, consists of a single slice of bread or toast with one or more food items on top. It has half the number of slices of bread compared to a typical closed sandwich and has toppings rather than fillings. During the start of the Middle Ages, thin slabs of coarse bread called "trenches" (late 15th century English) or, in its French derivative, "trenchers", were used as plates. At the end of the meal... It says, muthafucka, “It is the common, traditional sandwich type in the Scandinavian countries, where it is typically eaten at lunch, but may also be eaten as part of breakfast and/or supper.” That’s _Scandinavia_, not just Denmark, you dumb fuck!The sad old fuck didn’t have to hide the fact, did he? [/QUOTE] Oh, if **WIKIPEDIA** says so, then it must be correct. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Septima](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dc4da7/32.png) [@Septima](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Septima)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2007, 12:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kudos-to-gore-but-who-gives-a-fuck-about-the-nobel-peace-prize/422550/26 "2007-10-13T12:12:31Z")
Actually, those …“sandwiches” pictured in the wiki would never fly in either Sweden or Denmark. Those are Norwegian. Sorry. ---
**Author:** ![Terrifel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c68b51/32.png) [@Terrifel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terrifel)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2007, 12:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kudos-to-gore-but-who-gives-a-fuck-about-the-nobel-peace-prize/422550/27 "2007-10-13T12:54:31Z")
Yes! By all means, let’s all continue to argue about Nazi sandwiches, and completely ignore the fact that _someone made a completely original excellent poem about the Nobel Prize?!_ Don’t go out of your way to encourage creative expression in others, people. Shun ambition. Live a life of quiet desperation. Yns’ll be sorry when I win the Nobel Prize for Poemizing. ---
**Author:** ![jacquilynne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/67e7ee/32.png) [@jacquilynne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jacquilynne)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2007, 1:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kudos-to-gore-but-who-gives-a-fuck-about-the-nobel-peace-prize/422550/28 "2007-10-13T13:12:49Z")
[QUOTE=Aeschines] My rejoinder to this reasoning is in the OP. You missed my preemptive strike, dumbass! [/QUOTE] I didn’t miss it, it was right there in the paragraph I took that sentence out of. I just didn’t bother quoting it all back because it was stupid. My point was that the connection between water shortages in war isn’t a lame duck one like the analogies you pulled out of your ass to (not) make your point, and that connection was, in fact, one of the central elements of the very work that was being awarded. ---
**Author:** ![Polycarp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/82dd89/32.png) [@Polycarp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polycarp)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2007, 1:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kudos-to-gore-but-who-gives-a-fuck-about-the-nobel-peace-prize/422550/29 "2007-10-13T13:24:33Z")
[QUOTE=Aeschines] My rejoinder to this reasoning is in the OP. You missed my preemptive strike, dumbass! [/QUOTE] Hey, you’re living in a country run by George W. Bush, and you’re not in active rebellion against him. By your logic, you’re therefore complicit in every evil scheme his team have ever come up with. Go to hell, you homophobic warmonger! (Or, to make it clearer, if you’re in a country where you’re forced into something, it’s not the same as volunteering for it. And as you judge, you get judged by the same measure, baby!) ---
**Author:** ![Shirley\_Ujest](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/45deac/32.png) [@Shirley\_Ujest](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shirley_Ujest)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2007, 1:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kudos-to-gore-but-who-gives-a-fuck-about-the-nobel-peace-prize/422550/30 "2007-10-13T13:27:58Z")
[QUOTE=El\_Kabong] In the case of the peace prize, it’s actually a bunch of Norwegian geezers. . [/QUOTE] Norwegian Geezers. Band Name! ---
**Author:** ![fessie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c37758/32.png) [@fessie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fessie)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2007, 1:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kudos-to-gore-but-who-gives-a-fuck-about-the-nobel-peace-prize/422550/31 "2007-10-13T13:35:32Z")
[QUOTE=Terrifel] Yes! By all means, let’s all continue to argue about Nazi sandwiches, and completely ignore the fact that _someone made a completely original excellent poem about the Nobel Prize?!_ Don’t go out of your way to encourage creative expression in others, people. Shun ambition. Live a life of quiet desperation. Yns’ll be sorry when I win the Nobel Prize for Poemizing. [/QUOTE] **I** liked it. ---
**Author:** ![Terrifel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c68b51/32.png) [@Terrifel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terrifel)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2007, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kudos-to-gore-but-who-gives-a-fuck-about-the-nobel-peace-prize/422550/32 "2007-10-13T14:09:58Z")
[QUOTE=fessie] **I** liked it. [/QUOTE] 🙂 Well, thank you. In my acceptance speech to the Nobel Committee I shall be sure to credit you as a valued inspiration, along with my parents, my 3rd grade English teacher Mr. Gerstel, and of course Gunter Grass. ---
**Author:** ![smiling\_bandit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e9a140/32.png) [@smiling\_bandit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smiling_bandit)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2007, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kudos-to-gore-but-who-gives-a-fuck-about-the-nobel-peace-prize/422550/33 "2007-10-13T14:17:32Z")
I wanted to write a non-angry post about Gunter Grass. The big problem with Grass is that he pretended he wasn’t in the Nazi party and SS. In fact, he displayed no shame at all. And that might have been fine, had he acknowledged that he was basically sent out as a soldier. But he conveniently “forgot” it, and then wrote books talking about how evil everyone else was. The fact that he absolutely loved the new version of the Nazis lording it over East Germany wasn’t exactly another shining star in his crown, either. When the truth finally did come out, he was "oh, uh, I didn’t even know what I was getting into - yeah! And refuses to actually make clear what he did or did not do. If he hadn’t pretended he was some angel, he wouldn’t have had the problem. A book by a boy tossed into the gears of war and desperate to get out of th submarine corp might have been equally compelling if not more so. But Grass chose the liar’s way out. ---
**Author:** ![Polycarp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/82dd89/32.png) [@Polycarp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polycarp)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2007, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kudos-to-gore-but-who-gives-a-fuck-about-the-nobel-peace-prize/422550/34 "2007-10-13T14:51:48Z")
[QUOTE=Shirley Ujest] Norwegian Geezers. Band Name! [/QUOTE] You just _know_, among the SDMB Lurking Millions is a staffer for “Prairie Home Companion”… …who is going to take this and **run** with it. By this time next year, you’ll be wanting to shoot yourself with an Anti-Cliche Ray. A 1920s Style Anti-Cliche Ray. That worked once, for 20 minutes. In 1960. And burned your dog. ---
**Author:** ![MacTech](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c0e974/32.png) [@MacTech](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MacTech)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2007, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kudos-to-gore-but-who-gives-a-fuck-about-the-nobel-peace-prize/422550/35 "2007-10-13T15:27:09Z")
[QUOTE=fessie] **I** liked it. [/QUOTE] Yes, I thought that the metaphysial imagery was particulary effective Interesting rhythmic devices too, that seem to counterpoint the surrealisim of the underlying metaphor… ---
**Author:** ![Charlie\_Tan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/charlie_tan/32/12582_2.png) [@Charlie\_Tan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Charlie_Tan)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2007, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kudos-to-gore-but-who-gives-a-fuck-about-the-nobel-peace-prize/422550/36 "2007-10-13T15:34:35Z")
[QUOTE=Aeschines] Read wikipedia and WEEP, muthafucka! [/QUOTE] Of course, being from the country you try to rip apart with your startling logic and insight, gives me no position to tell you that your stereotypes are mixed up, does it now. I don’t really understand your need to spew invectives my way, and I’m not really upset that you think the NP, being awarded by people from my own country (Sweden) or another country (Norway and the peace prize, the only award they get to dole out) is stupid. Enough people seem to think that it is. Your insane hatred are only blips on my computer screen, but it’s still kinda amusing to see such irrational hatred over such a minor issue. You’ve rarely blipped on my radar except as being the dimwitted offspring from a lampshade and a signpost who lives with the delusion that there are ghosts, an afterlife and that posting [Yum yum moo moo](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=8378589#post8378589) is a sign of being a rebel. [QUOTE=Aeschines] You poor pussies simply can’t handle a little FUCK YOU rebellion. [/QUOTE] The rebellion cost you an official warning, but since you’re still here, it seems you’re too ignorant to be a troll. However, considering your insane beliefs and matching that with your periodical, and equally insane, tantrums, I can only deduce that you stopped taking your lithium again. Fellow Dopers: DNFTMI Do Not Feed The Mentally Ill ---
**Author:** ![NinjaChick](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/71c47a/32.png) [@NinjaChick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NinjaChick)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2007, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kudos-to-gore-but-who-gives-a-fuck-about-the-nobel-peace-prize/422550/37 "2007-10-13T16:36:04Z")
**Aeschines** , you need to talk to your doc about getting your meds adjusted, man. With regards to Grass: are Vietnam vets who condemned what happened there hypocrites? Seriously: he was drafted when he was a kid. Unless you can prove that he was not only happy about it but specifically requested to be assigned to the Waffen SS, then you don’t really have an argument. I suppose if you think that anyone who serves in the military for any reason is directly responsible for all the atrocities their unit may commit you _might_ have a case, but even then, I’m skeptical. I’ll get outraged when they, say, give a Peace Prize to a totalitarian dictatorship. When it comes to literature, I pretty much don’t give a damn what the author has done. ---
**Author:** ![Terrifel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c68b51/32.png) [@Terrifel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terrifel)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2007, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kudos-to-gore-but-who-gives-a-fuck-about-the-nobel-peace-prize/422550/38 "2007-10-13T17:34:07Z")
[QUOTE=MacTech] Yes, I thought that the metaphysial imagery was particulary effective Interesting rhythmic devices too, that seem to counterpoint the surrealisim of the underlying metaphor… [/QUOTE] :dubious: Yes, do go on… _idly toys with airlock button_ ---
**Author:** ![Aeschines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aeschines/32/16251_2.png) [@Aeschines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aeschines)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2007, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kudos-to-gore-but-who-gives-a-fuck-about-the-nobel-peace-prize/422550/39 "2007-10-13T17:55:16Z")
[QUOTE=Charlie Tan] Of course, being from the country you try to rip apart with your startling logic and insight, gives me no position to tell you that your stereotypes are mixed up, does it now. [/quote] What stereotypes? Who says I don’t like Sweden? I went to Finland once on business and it was awesome. You guys just like to sit in the sauna and eat herring, that’s all–and that’s fine. > [@](#): > > I don’t really understand your need to spew invectives my way, YOU? Who gives a _fuck_ about you, man? > [@](#): > > and I’m not really upset that you think the NP, being awarded by people from my own country (Sweden) or another country (Norway and the peace prize, the only award they get to dole out) is stupid. Enough people seem to think that it is. If you’re not upset then shut the fuck up. > [@](#): > > Your insane hatred are only blips on my computer screen, but it’s still kinda amusing to see such irrational hatred over such a minor issue. I don’t know why you think it’s hatred; I’m as cool as a cucumber. As cool as those slices of cucumber you put on those open-faced sandwiches you guys eat. > [@](#): > > You’ve rarely blipped on my radar except as being the dimwitted offspring from a lampshade and a signpost That’s a mixed metaphor, dumbass. A lamppost with a shade on your radar screen? > [@](#): > > who lives with the delusion that there are ghosts, an afterlife Yes, I and the other “deluded” billions who believe there is an afterlife. :smack: :smack: The whole planet is nuts, I tell you! > [@](#): > > and that posting [Yum yum moo moo](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=8378589#post8378589) is a sign of being a rebel. Nope, it was just an extremely effective method of shutting fuckers like you down, so much so that the Panty Checkers had to sniff my panties and slap me on the ass with a long rubber dildo. > [@](#): > > The rebellion cost you an official warning, And how I trembled. > [@](#): > > but since you’re still here, it seems you’re too ignorant to be a troll. Not a troll, I just calls 'em like I sees 'em, and that riles some people, apparently. > [@](#): > > However, considering your insane beliefs and matching that with your periodical, and equally insane, tantrums, I can only deduce that you stopped taking your lithium again. You’re projecting, cuz I’m med-free, but I bet you’re on generic Prozac and have a hard time deciding every day which hand to jack off with (should it be me or someone else?) and you’re just living in your mom’s basement in Sweden eating open-faced sandwiches made with thin slices of cucumber. > [@](#): > > Fellow Dopers: DNFTMI > > Do Not Feed The Mentally Ill Or at the very least, do not feed them open-faced sandwiches or Korean soup after the dogs have been thrown from the bridge in Puerto Rico. :smack: ---
**Author:** ![Aeschines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aeschines/32/16251_2.png) [@Aeschines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aeschines)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2007, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kudos-to-gore-but-who-gives-a-fuck-about-the-nobel-peace-prize/422550/40 "2007-10-13T17:57:42Z")
[QUOTE=NinjaChick] With regards to Grass: are Vietnam vets who condemned what happened there hypocrites? [/quote] Those Vets tend to admit they were in the shit and part of it when they do the condemning. Grass took the stand for decades that he was above it all, never involved in the least. > [@](#): > > Seriously: he was drafted when he was a kid. Unless you can prove that he was not only happy about it but specifically requested to be assigned to the Waffen SS, then you don’t really have an argument. I suppose if you think that anyone who serves in the military for any reason is directly responsible for all the atrocities their unit may commit you _might_ have a case, but even then, I’m skeptical. The problem, Miss Dense, is that he never _admitted_ he was in the Waffen SS until last year! > [@](#): > > I’ll get outraged when they, say, give a Peace Prize to a totalitarian dictatorship. When it comes to literature, I pretty much don’t give a damn what the author has done. Oh I agree, but not how you meant it. 😉 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kudos-to-gore-but-who-gives-a-fuck-about-the-nobel-peace-prize/422550.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kudos-to-gore-but-who-gives-a-fuck-about-the-nobel-peace-prize/422550.md?page=3)