# Kudos to Mississippi **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [April 19, 2001, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kudos-to-mississippi/62467 "2001-04-19T00:44:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![kniz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/c37758/32.png) [@kniz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kniz)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2001, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kudos-to-mississippi/62467/161 "2001-05-02T03:27:11Z")
**Minty Green** I think you are just trying to make trouble. I simply stated that I tried to email someone and questioned why I couldn’t (Well maybe not so simply). It did not say anything about a debate or about “guts”. Perhaps I was a little steamed last night, but there were not “several” others, just one very short reference to the Saudi analogy. The reason that neither of the two are listed is that right after I wrote them I went to the “delete/edit” button. It did not work (because they don’t want it to work), so I requested that one of the monitors delete both and it was soon done. As to you being a trouble maker, if I knew how to use smiley faces I **might** have used one after that statement. I say **“might”** because I’m not a real fan of smiley faces. ---
**Author:** ![minty\_green](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f6c823/32.png) [@minty\_green](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/minty_green)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2001, 4:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kudos-to-mississippi/62467/162 "2001-05-02T04:21:36Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by kniz \* > It did not say anything about a debate or about “guts”. In addition to using a bigoted epithet about Arabs, you’re now a liar. You did indeed remark about whether Collunsbury had the “guts” to take you on over IBM, according to my own memory of those posts. > [@](#): > > Perhaps I was a little steamed last night, but there were not “several” others, just one very short reference to the Saudi analogy. I said nothing about “several” bigoted remarks. I said you attempted to pick several fights last night. In addition to your groundless (and now deleted) slams on **Collunsbury** and **Pantom** in this thread, there was this: > [@](#): > > All of you that complain that you don’t get to take an exemption for children are a bunch of cry babies. You have selected a life style that is not beneficial to society and instead of taxing you extra, you just don’t get some deductions. I am over 60 and have no children in school, why should I pay school tax? The answer is obvious to me, but might not be to you dumbies. Get a grib, get your head out of your ass and be responsible. [Why do childless US taxpayers have to support other people’s kids?](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=69068=2) Now that I look back on it, this fourth one doesn’t seem quite so much like picking a fight. But as it came right after your other assaults, I was not in a generous mood. Besides, it seems rather incisive: > [@](#): > > I just like to complain for no good reason. [Are You a Rock-Thrower or a Protester?](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=69223) > [@](#): > > The reason that neither of the two are listed is that right after I wrote them I went to the “delete/edit” button. It did not work (because they don’t want it to work), so I requested that one of the monitors delete both and it was soon done. Asking for those two posts to be removed was a good idea. Hitting “submit” in the first place was not. Failing to apologize is just plain ill-mannered. I’m done with you, kniz. If you have anything else to say to me, take it to the Pit. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2001, 5:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kudos-to-mississippi/62467/163 "2001-05-02T05:14:11Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by pantom \* > I was in the Army and Navy!!!???!!!???!!!???!!!??? > > Man, this wine I’m drinkin’ must have some powerful stuff in it somewhere, 'cause I don’t remember ever even so much as picking up a gun (a real one, not a watergun or some such) in my whole natural life. Two possibilities here, pantom: [ol] [li]Kniz guessed that you were in those two fine Branches, or[/li][li]Kniz got you confused with me because we’re obviously both so intelligent.[/li][/ol] I’m going with 2. ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2001, 7:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kudos-to-mississippi/62467/164 "2001-05-02T07:40:08Z")
**Kniz** : I don’t want to turn this into a Pit thread, but I do feel a little clarification is in order. I have to agree with **Minty green** that you are being a little disingenuous. The fact of the matter is that you did _imply_ pretty strongly that **Collounsbury** was being gutless by not making his e-mail address available ( the only caveat you made was if he happened to be female and was trying to avoid stalkers ). It was obvious you had missed the part in his earlier post where he had explained how to contact him by e-mail. Hence my correction, above. Now everybody loses their temper once in awhile ( except for the ever-cuddly **Collounsbury** 😛 ). And it’s to your credit that you had the moderators retract that rather antagonistic post. So while at the time I thought you were over the line, at this point it’s all good. I do still think you’re wrong on “slur” issue, though. Maybe you honestly believe that substituting “dromedary” for “camel” defused that particular insult and proved you weren’t being insulting. But from where I sit, the seemingly jokingly offhanded manner with which you delivered that line, made it seem just as disrespectful as the original. Maybe the fault is with my own over-sensitive perceptions. But if that’s the case, obviously others are just as sensitive. Now I’m not claiming perfection and freedom from sin. But I don’t think it is out of line for me to offer a ( pretty mild ) criticism of your comment. You can take it as you will. - Tamerlane ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/original/2X/e/e489c3b7d8fce19c4b355dd4fc3f88cc39c34b87.png) [@system](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2001, 11:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kudos-to-mississippi/62467/165 "2001-05-02T11:09:05Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by kniz \* > **Collounsbury** your agrument about whether it is a republic or democracy is actually off the point Off point, well perhaps but your bit of ignorance needed to be corrected. > [@](#): > > and used only because you need to critcize even when there is nothing to critcize. Well sometimes, but in this case it’s simply a case of an assertion which annoys me for its lack of foundation and clear thinking. As for the vote, well frankly if you want to keep cutting off your nose to spite your face, go ahead, see if I care. Now, as for your insults and the like: > [@](#): > > Perhaps you were just referring to the fact that because I am from the south that you know that I have used ethnic slurs. No, Kniz, my comments had nothing to do you with the immense chip on your shoulder about your adopted southerness which you seem to be so very invested in. No. It was about your behaviour here. ---
**Author:** ![kniz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/c37758/32.png) [@kniz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kniz)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2001, 1:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kudos-to-mississippi/62467/166 "2001-05-02T13:39:33Z")
**Collounsbury** you are good at picking and choosing in order to avoid the subject. You accused me of “slurs” in a manner that said that the “jockey” remark was just one more in a long line of ethnic slurs that I had used. Back it up! ---
**Author:** ![kniz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/c37758/32.png) [@kniz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kniz)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2001, 1:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kudos-to-mississippi/62467/167 "2001-05-02T13:48:52Z")
**Monty** you are right about my confusing you and **Pantom** and possibly your conclusion as well. ---
**Author:** ![Spoke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a88e57/32.png) [@Spoke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoke)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2001, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kudos-to-mississippi/62467/168 "2001-05-02T14:08:04Z")
Lost in all of this bickering are two critical points:[ol][li]Southerners do not traditionally drink wine with their meals.[/li][li]When Southerners do drink wine (after a meal, out of a fruit jar, while sitting on the porch), it is home-made muscatine wine.[/ol][/li] Sorry, but I’m a purist. ---
**Author:** ![kniz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/c37758/32.png) [@kniz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kniz)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2001, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kudos-to-mississippi/62467/169 "2001-05-02T14:10:01Z")
**Tamerlane** I was wrong to think that by altering a ethnic slur, it would not be taken as one. I should not have done it. Your recollection about what I said was pretty much right. For that one post, since it was seen before I retracted it, I apologize to **Collounsbury** for making it. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/original/2X/e/e489c3b7d8fce19c4b355dd4fc3f88cc39c34b87.png) [@system](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2001, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kudos-to-mississippi/62467/170 "2001-05-02T14:16:24Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by kniz \* > \*\ ***Collounsbury** you are good at picking and choosing in order to avoid the subject. You accused me of “slurs” in a manner that said that the “jockey” remark was just one more in a long line of ethnic slurs that I had used. Back it up! > \*\* Sigh, I wasn’t avoiding the topic I was correcting you, but if you must. Well, as I recall my thinking when I wrote the post, I had grown rather tired of the term damn yankee as a term of abuse and a means of characterizing your opponents. At that moment was considering it in the same vein and I think I suggested this as the time when I wrote “_From what I can see you have a hard time thinking of things outside of fairly simplistic stereotypes: damn yankees, dromedary jockeys etc_” I might slightly reword the same post today, but overall I stand behind the implied criticism of both your mode of thinking and of your engagement of the arguments. Anything else? ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/original/2X/e/e489c3b7d8fce19c4b355dd4fc3f88cc39c34b87.png) [@system](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2001, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kudos-to-mississippi/62467/171 "2001-05-02T14:31:31Z")
Well, as Kiz has apologized for the drom jockey thing I think its time to take a step back and put the argument to an end. My initial post there was probably too strongly worded and I do apologize for that. ---
**Author:** ![kniz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/c37758/32.png) [@kniz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kniz)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2001, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kudos-to-mississippi/62467/172 "2001-05-02T17:23:55Z")
**Collounsbury** I rather suspected that you were upset with me calling you and others “Damn Yankees”. Well, in that case I’m invoking the rule that says if you are a member of a group then you can refer to other members of said group with derogatory labels that refer to that group and that group only. I refuse to give examples since in a manner of speaking, I have been down that road. Damn Yankee is not really ethnic, but more a state of mind. It is akin to New Yorkers and Californians (mostly in Los Angeles) considering everything in-between a wasteland. I have stated that I try to be a “Yankee”, but to those southerners I don’t know I am a Damn Yankee until I prove different. What can be thought of as a slur is “GD Yankee”, which is someone that intentionally says things nasty, just to be nasty (note that in my scernio the driver was really trying to be friendly). Possibly that is why I have continued on with this thread. I know that there was a degree of it in my vote for the old flag. I am probably one of the few resident Yankees that voted for the old flag and without a doubt no Damn Yankees did. I know you’re going to say that is not a good reason, maybe not but are you looking for good reasons or the truth? In 1949 I moved south when there were very few other Yankees around. Since then I have thought things would get better only to have another Damn Yankee make one of his/her faux pas. In 1975, when we were moving from Cincinnati to Mississippi good meaning friends asked us seriously if we would have flush toilets. A year later when we went back to visit a very close friend asked where we shopped (like we must still have general stores or peddlers in wagons, I didn’t ask her which). I never lost part of my accent but I have picked up southern words. This gives me a whole different perspective on people both in the north and the south that say “You sure have an accent”. I would also point out that on this thread the term “redneck” was used at least once, prior to my saying Damn Yankee and my other f\*ck up. Rather than continue this I recommend that everyone re-read **Saint Zero’s** first post on this thread. He gives a good account of both sides of the subject and ends with stating that he voted for the new flag. ---
**Author:** ![celestina](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/258eb7/32.png) [@celestina](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/celestina)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2001, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kudos-to-mississippi/62467/173 "2001-05-03T00:07:28Z")
* * * mangeorge said: “Berringer Founders’ Estate 1998 Merlot. On sale, 8 bucks/bottle. Not bad. I’m new at the wine game, but enjoying the learning experience.” * * * mangeorge, thanks for the wine suggestion. It’s just the right price so I’m fixin’ to go do some empirical research on it after I finish this post. If you’re new to wine, check out the _Wine Spectator_, particularly the “Best Buys” page. It’ll give you some good tips on wines. Contrary to popular belief, you can get WONDERFUL wine for under $10. Oz Clark’s also put out some good books that’ll introduce you to wine. Have fun with it. BTW your dinner sounded wonderful. I hope it was. Now I’ve got a taste for broccoli and merlot. Hmmm. Ivorybill, I’m sorry if you and the rest of the class felt left out. mangeorge and I were trying not to be too disruptive because we didn’t want to get Prof. Collounsbury (Hi Coll, sweetie. I see you’re stirring up trouble as usual. 🙂 Te tiro un beso, amor mio.) mad at us. [shiver] Of course you’re welcome to join our whisperins about wine and what not. So you like mint juleps, eh? Only had 'em once, and I ain’t never had Old Rip Van Winkle. Guess it’s off to the liquor store I go . . . * * * spoke said: Lost in all of this bickering are two critical points: Southerners do not traditionally drink wine with their meals. When Southerners do drink wine (after a meal, out of a fruit jar, while sitting on the porch), it is home-made muscatine wine. Sorry, but I’m a purist. * * * Um, spoke, in the South I come from, folks do too drink wine with dinner; they have it before and after dinner too. Some wine we got from the store; there was some that somebody’s momma made; and there was some that come from the still. 🙂 I’ve had it in a fruit jar and in one of them fancy Riedel glasses, and it tasted right good in either one. There’s Southerners that drink wine on the porch, in the dining room, bedroom, in the woods, . . . I got a friend whose granddaddy’s peach wine’s so potent it’ll knock your socks off after you’ve had a few sips. So don’t you be tellin’ me what kind of wine Southerners ought to be drinkin, when, where, or how. You hear me? Purist. Hmphf. And lastly, kniz. I’m sorry you having a rough time adjusting to the South, but I take issue with your callin’ the term “Damn Yankee” a slur. I’m trying to wrap my mind around how that appellation could be considered insulting. I’ve used it, and I will continue to do so because I associate humor with it. It’s not insulting. Rather it’s a way to deal with misplaced Northerners and Westerners who come to the South and start trying to tell us Southerners how we ought to be acting in our own region. As if we ain’t got any damn sense down here. And for the record, what’s wrong with Southern accents? They’re BEAUTIFUL. They’re so musical, and they don’t get on my nerves near as much as them Boston accents do. [celestina prepares to duck the tongue-lashing she might get from some outraged Bostonian.] I was reading somewhere a few months ago how when Southerners move up North, they generally don’t lose their accents, but when Northerners move down South, they do pick up to some degree the cadences and rhythms of the Southern twang. I ain’t got no cites, and I ain’t sure there’s been any of them linguistics studies done on this, but I think it’s easier to pick up and retain a Southern accent than a Northern one, and it’s much more fun IMHO. There’s something powerful in a variety of American English that seduces you into adopting it before you know right good what happened. I think folks ought to repsect that. Just settle down. Here, have a virtual drink on me. ---
**Author:** ![Reeder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c6cbf5/32.png) [@Reeder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reeder)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2001, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kudos-to-mississippi/62467/174 "2001-05-03T01:11:25Z")
Spoke… That would be muscadine. We also use the scuppernong. And as for BBQ…Lexington style rules. ---
**Author:** ![Spoke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a88e57/32.png) [@Spoke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoke)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2001, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kudos-to-mississippi/62467/175 "2001-05-03T14:11:03Z")
**Reeder** , “muscatine” and “muscadine” are alternative spellings of the same word. Look [here](http://www.bonsai-bci.com/species/grape.html) for a reference to the “muscatine grape.” I believe the word derives from “muscatel,” which would suggest that the ‘t’ spelling was the original. I think the ‘d’ spelling may be preferred these days, though, so I’ll concede that you may have numbers on your side. **celestina** - Wine drinking? In the South??? Where are you from? New Orleans??? If not New Orleans, you must surely be a city girl, at least. In the South I’m from, wine was evil and sinful. Same as beer and hard liquor. (Aren’t there any Baptists where you live?) Of course, the “sinful” aspect of alcohol didn’t keep folks from drinking, but drinking wine was always considered vaguely scandalous. It tended to be imbibed surreptitiously and with an air of gleeful mischief. You sure wouldn’t serve it when the preacher came to dinner. And don’t go breakin’ out your Bible on me. We all know that the “wine” in the Bible was really just grape juice. Preacher said so. 😉 But yeah, homemade wine of all varieties was very common. My dad (using traditional methods) used to make (very sweet) wines from musca **d** ines, scuppernongs, blackberries, huckleberries, peaches, watermelons, or whatever happened to be available. ---
**Author:** ![celestina](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/258eb7/32.png) [@celestina](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/celestina)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2001, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kudos-to-mississippi/62467/176 "2001-05-03T21:19:09Z")
spoke, Yes, Southerners & certainly the ones outside of New Orleans drink wine. And for your information I’m a city AND a country WOMAN. Yes, there are Baptists where I live, but ain’t everybody Southern Baptist. You want to be Southern Baptist, fine. I sure as hell ain’t, and I ain’t plannin’ to be anytime soon either. I can see how some very religious Southerners may think drinking wine and liquor is sinful, but as you yourself admitted, that don’t stop 'em from drinking. I think it depends on what kind of preacher you know. My distant cousin, what lives up the road from us, is a preacher, and every other day he comes down to the house for dinner and a little “communion,” if you know what I mean. Sometimes “communion’s” got hops in it and sometimes it’s got grapes. Always amuses me too how the preacherman’s got to come to my folks’ house to get lit. Apparently, his missus don’t like the thought of him drinking, but I guess she ain’t caught him yet. He’s off ministerin’ to his congregation an awful lot, come to think on it. Hmmm. Anyway, I’m just sittin’ back and watchin’ ‘cause I know all chickens eventually come home to roost. My cousin’s wife’s going to find out soon what he’s been up to, and boy when she does, all HELL’s going to break loose. That’ll be enough entertainment to have folks talkin’ for weeks! As far as the Bible goes, I wasn’t going to break out one for you because I don’t know where mine is. I ain’t particularly religious nohow. Ain’t been to church in I don’t know when, but since you mention it, my cousin, especially when he gets lit, says the wine at that wedding Jesus supposedly attended was grape juice too. It wasn’t fermented good enough when them folks drank it so they couldn’t get high. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![kniz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/c37758/32.png) [@kniz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kniz)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2001, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kudos-to-mississippi/62467/177 "2001-05-03T21:55:35Z")
> [@](#): > > **And lastly, kniz. I’m sorry you having a rough time adjusting to the South,** Celestina, I’m not having trouble adjusting to the south. Got over that when I was 10 and surely I wouldn’t have moved to Mississippi the second time. I am sure though that you will confirm the regretable fact that I am forever destined to be a Yankee. > [@](#): > > **but I take issue with your callin’ the term “Damn Yankee” a slur. I’m trying to wrap my mind around how that appellation could be considered insulting.** if you read back you will find that I was accused by **Collounsbury** of having made ethnic slurs and I only knew of one unfortunate time that I used one. **Collounsbury** then said that he had been including my use of Damn Yankee. > [@](#): > > \*\* I’ve used it, and I will continue to do so because I associate humor with it. It’s not insulting. Rather it’s a way to deal with misplaced Northerners and Westerners who come to the South and start trying to tell us Southerners how we ought to be acting in our own region. As if we ain’t got any damn sense down here.\*\* Thank you, thank you, thank you for defining “Damn Yankee” in a way that only a true southern belle could. > [@](#): > > **And for the record, what’s wrong with Southern accents? They’re BEAUTIFUL. They’re so musical, and they don’t get on my nerves near as much as them Boston accents do. [celestina prepares to duck the tongue-lashing she might get from some outraged Bostonian.** I married a gal from Leeds, Alabama, whose family is also from Abbeville, Alabama. That is strong stuff when you talk about southern accents. She became a flight attendant 3 years ago and her passengers dearly love her announcements. > [@](#): > > **I was reading somewhere a few months ago how when Southerners move up North, they generally don’t lose their accents, but when Northerners move down South, they do pick up to some degree the cadences and rhythms of the Southern twang. I ain’t got no cites, and I ain’t sure there’s been any of them linguistics studies done on this, but I think it’s easier to pick up and retain a Southern accent than a Northern one, and it’s much more fun IMHO.** ``` _________________________________ ``` I’ll cite my wife as one example of southerners not losing their accent. We lived in Cincinnati for 11 years and she didn’t loose a bit of hers. I’m not sure but I think that 25 years in Mississippi hasn’t greatly changed her Alabama accent either. What I was referring to is southerners think I’m from the north and northerners think I speak like a southerner (I love that, it makes my day). > [@](#): > > \*\* There’s something powerful in a variety of American English that seduces you into adopting it before you know right good what happened. I think folks ought to repsect that. Just settle down. Here, have a virtual drink on me.\*\* Don’t mind if I do. {fixed code. --Gaudere} [Edited by Gaudere on 05-04-2001 at 10:36 AM] ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/original/2X/e/e489c3b7d8fce19c4b355dd4fc3f88cc39c34b87.png) [@system](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2001, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kudos-to-mississippi/62467/178 "2001-05-03T22:45:48Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by celestina \* > mangeorge and I were trying not to be too disruptive because we didn’t want to get Prof. Collounsbury (Hi Coll, sweetie. I see you’re stirring up trouble as usual. 🙂 Te tiro un beso, amor mio.) mad at us. Oh bother, what does one do with such a (largely) undeserved (in my own view) reputation. > [@](#): > > Guess it’s off to the liquor store I go . . . Lucky bastards. I need another shipment of bootleg baccardi. Else I might be reduced to drinking the local product, in which case I might need a seeing eye dog. > [@](#): > > the term “Damn Yankee” a slur. Actually my fault. I took it as such in context of usage at that moment. We, Kniz and I, have corresponded. Heat and smoke overcame light briefly. > [@](#): > > Rather it’s a way to deal with misplaced Northerners and Westerners who come to the South and start trying to tell us Southerners how we ought to be acting in our own region. Well, thank god I have never been sent there, eh no? > [@](#): > > And for the record, what’s wrong with Southern accents? They’re BEAUTIFUL. They’re so musical, and they don’t get on my nerves near as much as them Boston accents do. [celestina prepares to duck the tongue-lashing she might get from some outraged Bostonian.] Ahem. Well, there are Bostonians and there are Bostonians for one. My family is of old Bostonian stock, albeit transferred to New York. > [@](#): > > I was reading somewhere a few months ago how when Southerners move up North, they generally don’t lose their accents, Nor do they seem to be able to do so in whatever language they speak, to my experience among the oil crowd who I meet from time to time here. Nothing more … eh how to put it? unfortunate than the accent transfered to another language. ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Zero](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c4cdca/32.png) [@Saint\_Zero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Zero)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2001, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kudos-to-mississippi/62467/179 "2001-05-03T23:05:41Z")
> [@](#): > > And lastly, kniz. I’m sorry you having a rough time adjusting to the South, > > - > - > > Celestina, I’m not having trouble adjusting to the south. Got over that when I was 10 and surely I wouldn’t have moved to Mississippi the second time. I am sure though that you will confirm the regretable fact that I am forever destined to be a Yankee. Wait… Kniz is a Yankee? What the hell’s the debate then? He’s stuck with being an outsider. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2001, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kudos-to-mississippi/62467/180 "2001-05-03T23:10:33Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Collounsbury \* > > > [@](#): > > > > I was reading somewhere a few months ago how when Southerners move up North, they generally don’t lose their accents, > > Nor do they seem to be able to do so in whatever language they speak, to my experience among the oil crowd who I meet from time to time here. Nothing more … eh how to put it? unfortunate than the accent transfered to another language. I can attest to one instance of this, Collounsbury. Oneof my classmates at DLI’s Vietnamese Language course was from Athens, Georgia. It was something to hear her pronounce “Xin chao ong” in a deep Southern accent. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kudos-to-mississippi/62467.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kudos-to-mississippi/62467.md?page=10)