# Kurt Busch. Is he crazy or what? **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [January 14, 2015, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kurt-busch-is-he-crazy-or-what/709831 "2015-01-14T17:42:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![astro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9dc877/32.png) [@astro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astro)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2015, 7:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kurt-busch-is-he-crazy-or-what/709831/21 "2015-01-15T07:46:47Z")
[This article seems to have (by far) the most down low on her](http://blackflag.jalopnik.com/kurt-buschs-ex-was-terrible-at-keeping-her-assassin-gig-1679384840) This note below is potentially ironic if it turns out she’s inflating her resume. [Repugnant “Stolen Valor” con artist indicted for defrauding the government](http://phillyd.vanillaforums.com/discussion/2999/repugnant-stolen-valor-con-artist-indicted-for-defrauding-the-government) > [@](#): > > Danny Russell Crane is a low-life wannabe who has swindled great deals of money and gifts out of various organizations for claiming to be something he is not - a decorated combat veteran. Despite the Supreme Court striking down the Stolen Valor law, it is still illegal to defraud the US government, namely Veterans Affairs. > Danny Russell Crane likes to talk about his long, distinguished military career with anyone who will listen at the American Legion in Riverview, Florida. > > “I met Danny Crane when he came in here, supposedly on leave from Afghanistan, from what I understand,” recalled Roger Dunn, a former commander at Post 148. > > Dunn, who served in the Navy, says he found it odd that Crane told so many detailed war stories. > > “Ninety-nine percent of combat vets don’t want to talk about what happened. He brought out photo albums and pasted his medals all over him.” > > In fact, photos show him wearing many medals, including a Purple Heart on his leather motorcycle vest when he went on rides with the group. > > Veterans seeking membership are required to produce their discharge paper, called a DD-214. Some members at the post spotted problems with Crane’s document. > > “The colonel had seen his 214 and approached him and first told him he had too many ribbons on his ribbon rack. Danny got irritated and turned around and left the ceremony.” > > We showed the form to Patricia Driscoll, the executive director of the Armed Forces Foundation, a national nonprofit which supports veterans. > “This would be a big red flag to me,” Driscoll offered as she scanned the document. She said the form he used is outdated and no longer used in the Army, and the date of separation – December 25, 2010 – jumps out at her. > > “Christmas eve, Christmas Day; nobody in the government is working, that’s not going to happen.” > > Driscoll says the Armed Forces Foundation carefully screens applicants looking for help and her organization has turned away people claiming to be vets with bogus stories and paperwork. > > “People want us to take them at their word, but we have to verify everything.” ---
**Author:** ![Snooooopy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ee7513/32.png) [@Snooooopy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snooooopy)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2015, 8:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kurt-busch-is-he-crazy-or-what/709831/22 "2015-01-15T08:18:35Z")
And, just like that, Kyle somehow assumed the mantle of Least Objectionable Busch Brother. I mean, the worst you can say about Kyle is that he’s kind of an ass. He might deck you in a bar fight, but he’s not going to do anything to make you question whether he’s out of his mind. ---
**Author:** ![Truman\_Burbank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecc23a/32.png) [@Truman\_Burbank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Truman_Burbank)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2015, 1:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kurt-busch-is-he-crazy-or-what/709831/23 "2015-01-15T13:32:25Z")
I vote for “She’s a liar, and he’s stupid”. I mean, look, the _first rule_ of “Sooper Sekrit Governmental Assassins Club”, and all that. I mean, they taught us that the first day! ---
**Author:** ![JKilez](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e5b9ba/32.png) [@JKilez](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKilez)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2015, 1:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kurt-busch-is-he-crazy-or-what/709831/24 "2015-01-15T13:37:18Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > So that is dated 2006… and according to her wiki page, she was born in 1977… how does a 29 year old get access to those other people listed on the FDS website… Step 1: Be a really hot young blonde. Step 2: Be accessible. 😉 😉 Step 3: Profit! ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2015, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kurt-busch-is-he-crazy-or-what/709831/25 "2015-01-15T14:38:36Z")
There is this in several of the stories: > [@](#): > > Once, he said, they were in El Paso, Texas, where Driscoll had left that night in camouflage and boots. She returned later to the hotel at which he was staying wearing a trench coat. Under it she was wearing an evening gown splattered with blood and other matter, Busch testified Obviously, I don’t know: maybe she is an undercover operative. But wouldn’t a killer change into and out of her killin’ clothes out of sight of the muggles? Wouldn’t she ditch the blood-spattered gown somewhere no one could find it after she killed the target? ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2015, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kurt-busch-is-he-crazy-or-what/709831/26 "2015-01-15T16:55:04Z")
> [@Snooooopy](#): > > And, just like that, Kyle somehow assumed the mantle of Least Objectionable Busch Brother. I mean, the worst you can say about Kyle is that he’s kind of an ass. He might deck you in a bar fight, but he’s not going to do anything to make you question whether he’s out of his mind. I don’t get why people are saying Kurt is crazy when he’s not the only person who says Miss Driscoll has claimed to be an assassin. ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2015, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kurt-busch-is-he-crazy-or-what/709831/27 "2015-01-15T17:06:32Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > Change the racing driver to a tennis player and you may be onto something. High fashion. You have a[famous fashion photographer](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jennifer_O%27Neill) and her models, and one of her [hunky male models](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon-Erik_Hexum), or her [equally hunky assistant,](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antony_Hamilton) does the Secret Squirrel stuff. That might work out OK. ---
**Author:** ![astro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9dc877/32.png) [@astro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astro)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2015, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kurt-busch-is-he-crazy-or-what/709831/28 "2015-01-15T17:30:59Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > I don’t get why people are saying Kurt is crazy when he’s not the only person who says Miss Driscoll has claimed to be an assassin. I think it’s more that he continues to insists she _is_ a \*\*real \*\*assassin whereas the other people she has told this to just roll their eyes at the bullshit cascade. Possibly he is doing this for tactical legal reasons in terms of the alleged altercation they had. ---
**Author:** ![Labrador\_Deceiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7c8e57/32.png) [@Labrador\_Deceiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Labrador_Deceiver)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2015, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kurt-busch-is-he-crazy-or-what/709831/29 "2015-01-15T17:39:55Z")
I love that long resume, with the word “allies” badly misspelled right away. It screams bullshit. She barely had time to do the things she’s claiming to have done. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2015, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kurt-busch-is-he-crazy-or-what/709831/30 "2015-01-15T17:54:55Z")
> [@astro](#): > > I think it’s more that he continues to insists she _is_ a \*\*real \*\*assassin whereas the other people she has told this to just roll their eyes at the bullshit cascade. Possibly he is doing this for tactical legal reasons in terms of the alleged altercation they had. You mean the other people like Michael Doncheff, who also asserted that she has claimed to be a trained assassin? What “other people” who “just roll their eyes” are you talking about? ETA: Check out this short video made about Miss Driscoll, [Pocket Commando](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MAbYIrniY4). It’s basically an interview with her, AFF staff, FDS associates and some folks in NASCAR. In it, one of her employees says she is a badass who would rip your nuts off, among other things. ---
**Author:** ![Labrador\_Deceiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7c8e57/32.png) [@Labrador\_Deceiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Labrador_Deceiver)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2015, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kurt-busch-is-he-crazy-or-what/709831/31 "2015-01-15T18:34:03Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > You mean the other people like Michael Doncheff, who also asserted that she has claimed to be a trained assassin? What “other people” who “just roll their eyes” are you talking about? Isn’t he the guy who called at least one of her stories “far fetched”? He also said she told several stories that he thought were exaggerated. If so, I’d say that’s the metaphorical eye-rolling to which astro refers. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2015, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kurt-busch-is-he-crazy-or-what/709831/32 "2015-01-15T18:40:05Z")
> [@Labrador\_Deceiver](#): > > Isn’t he the guy who called at least one of her stories “far fetched”? He also said she told several stories that he thought were exaggerated. If so, I’d say that’s the metaphorical eye-rolling to which astro refers. Yes, he did say he thought one story was “far-fetched”, but in context it seemed that he thought her getting pushed to the ground by an illegal immigrant while in a cocktail dress that became covered in blood was “far-fetched”. From the OP: > [@](#): > > Doncheff said Driscoll also asserted that she was a trained assassin for the U.S. government and once told him, “I take down foreign governments. I own Washington.” So it seems that Miss Driscoll has told at least two people that she was a trained assassin. Also, as the news stories note, neither Miss Driscoll nor her attorney refuted the allegations in court. ---
**Author:** ![Labrador\_Deceiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7c8e57/32.png) [@Labrador\_Deceiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Labrador_Deceiver)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2015, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kurt-busch-is-he-crazy-or-what/709831/33 "2015-01-15T19:15:55Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > Yes, he did say he thought one story was “far-fetched”, but in context it seemed that he thought her getting pushed to the ground by an illegal immigrant while in a cocktail dress that became covered in blood was “far-fetched”. > > From the OP: > > So it seems that Miss Driscoll has told at least two people that she was a trained assassin. > > Also, as the news stories note, neither Miss Driscoll nor her attorney refuted the allegations in court. Again, nobody is refuting that she told people she was an assassin. They are commenting on just how seriously these claims were taken by other people. And from what I’m seeing, it now looks like Busch is saying he thinks it’s all hooey. ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2015, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kurt-busch-is-he-crazy-or-what/709831/34 "2015-01-15T20:25:07Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > You mean the other people like Michael Doncheff, who also asserted that she has claimed to be a trained assassin? What “other people” who “just roll their eyes” are you talking about? > > ETA: Check out this short video made about Miss Driscoll, [Pocket Commando](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MAbYIrniY4). It’s basically an interview with her, AFF staff, FDS associates and some folks in NASCAR. In it, one of her employees says she is a badass who would rip your nuts off, among other things. Looks like a relentless self-promoter with a high bullshit quotient. Wouldn’t be surprised at all if she lied about some assassin nonsense. Right there in the video she talks about working on super-secret projects. That’s pretty damn stupid, if true. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2015, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kurt-busch-is-he-crazy-or-what/709831/35 "2015-01-15T21:04:14Z")
Driscoll’s had gun training. This is a promo video for her company. [![]( " - YouTube") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MAbYIrniY4) A bit exaggerated, but it is meant to hype her background and generate business. A background working with military contractors doesn’t mean she’s Jane Bond. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2015, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kurt-busch-is-he-crazy-or-what/709831/36 "2015-01-16T00:31:00Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > You mean the other people like Michael Doncheff, who also asserted that she has claimed to be a trained assassin? What “other people” who “just roll their eyes” are you talking about? > > ETA: Check out this short video made about Miss Driscoll, [Pocket Commando](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MAbYIrniY4). It’s basically an interview with her, AFF staff, FDS associates and some folks in NASCAR. In it, one of her employees says she is a badass who would rip your nuts off, among other things. Kinda figures she’s from West Texas; there just aren’t that many other places big enough for her ego. ---
**Author:** ![Fair\_Rarity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fair_rarity/32/153_2.png) [@Fair\_Rarity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fair_Rarity)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2015, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kurt-busch-is-he-crazy-or-what/709831/37 "2015-01-16T02:26:52Z")
> [@Snooooopy](#): > > And, just like that, Kyle somehow assumed the mantle of Least Objectionable Busch Brother. He wasn’t already? I like neither, but I prefer Kyle to Kurt by far. ---
**Author:** ![Bumbershoot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bumbershoot/32/3428_2.png) [@Bumbershoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bumbershoot)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2015, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kurt-busch-is-he-crazy-or-what/709831/38 "2015-01-16T02:51:59Z")
> [@Honey](#): > > From your link: > > MS. PATRICIA DRISCOLL > Patricia has spent the majority of her career in the narcotics and intelligence world. While working abroad, many issues came up at home that brought her to Washington DC, where over the last 9 years she has developed strong relationships in the House, Senate, and the White House. Her strongest ally’s are the Armed Services Committee, Appropriations, Ways and Means, the Homeland Security Committee, and the Intelligence Committee. Here are a few of the things she has been involved in over the past few years: > •Became an advisor for the field directors of Border Patrol and Customs to Congress and Headquarters Border Patrol and US Customs > • Testified before Congress on small business issues regarding Homeland Security > •Was paid by the British Embassy to go on a speaking tour of England regarding “Doing Business with Homeland Security”. I was the panel expert on the law enforcement section as well as the security and intelligence components. > • Was invited to be a panel expert for the intelligence field for the Dept. of Defense summit on Small Business at the Pentagon. > •Panel advisor for State Dept. to the Ambassador for Human Trafficking > • Congressional advisor for narcotics, trafficking, immigration, and border protection > > Copyright 2006 Frontline Defense Systems > She may not be an assassin, but she sure has a very cool resume. The whole ‘killing people’ thing is more of a hobby for her. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2015, 3:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kurt-busch-is-he-crazy-or-what/709831/39 "2015-01-16T03:51:53Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > Check out this short video made about Miss Driscoll, [Pocket Commando](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MAbYIrniY4). It’s basically an interview with her, AFF staff, FDS associates and some folks in NASCAR. In it, one of her employees says she is a badass who would rip your nuts off, among other things. In some circles, having her for a girlfriend would qualify you as crazy. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2015, 4:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kurt-busch-is-he-crazy-or-what/709831/40 "2015-01-16T04:22:10Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > In some circles, having her for a girlfriend would qualify you as crazy. To my risk-taking self (my life motto: Don’t take chances, take risks) she would be considered cool, until she showed that she was _actually_ crazy. Admittedly, there can be a fine line between “totally awesome rad person” and “holy shit they’re actually just crazy”. 😃 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kurt-busch-is-he-crazy-or-what/709831.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kurt-busch-is-he-crazy-or-what/709831.md?page=3)